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Bristol - Pictures show exactly how Park Street will change after major transformation

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There's some interesting changes planned for Park Street - looks to me as though their going to use appropriate design language for the road/pavement

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hawkinspeter | 3 days ago
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https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/park-street-businesses-s...

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Independent businesses along one of Bristol’s most famous streets, which is subject to a £15 million transformation scheme, say the plans “will have a catastrophic effect” on the street. In January, Bristol City Council announced that Park Street could soon have a bus gate at one end and a bus lane at the other, closing the road to through traffic.

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 3 days ago
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Just send 'em over here or here...

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slc replied to chrisonabike | 2 days ago
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I enjoy the way that  motor traffic reduction opposers (always) claim that their concern is entirely about congestion and air pollution near schools and hospitals. 

I can at least set their mind to rest about motorists driving to and parking on Park Street. Everyone knows that you can't park on Park Street because there are too many parked cars. Same on Park Row. University road does have the odd space but you have to pay which is clearly unacceptable once you have paid road tax.

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chrisonabike replied to slc | 2 days ago
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Indeed - and only right outside schools and hospitals, because that's where it "makes sense" - but measures extending further from these places clearly don't.

(Do they think children appear like lemmings from hatches just in front of the schools?  Wait - substitute "SUV" for "hatch" and I think they might be on to something...)

Park Street - not bein' funny but it's literally the name of the street?!

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quiff replied to slc | 2 days ago
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slc wrote:

Everyone knows that you can't park on Park Street because there are too many parked cars. Same on Park Row. 

Surely the origin of the road names.  

EDIT: should have read chrisonabike's reply first...

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slc replied to quiff | 2 days ago
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Doubtless, which is why I avoid the eastern parts of Kingswood.

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ktache | 2 weeks ago
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None of these artists impressions ever show huge tailbacks of massive SUVs nose to tail. Engines running, phones a scrolling. You know, reality...

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chrisonabike replied to ktache | 2 weeks ago
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They should get ColdWarSteve in to do 'em.

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brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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Now they just need to encourage shops on Park Street that aren't artisan gin bars, barbers, or charity shops… 

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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brooksby wrote:

Now they just need to encourage shops on Park Street that aren't artisan gin bars, barbers, or charity shops… 

It's what the people want, though

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brooksby replied to hawkinspeter | 2 weeks ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

brooksby wrote:

Now they just need to encourage shops on Park Street that aren't artisan gin bars, barbers, or charity shops… 

It's what the people want, though

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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Bristol Park Street?

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hawkinspeter replied to chrisonabike | 2 weeks ago
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chrisonabike wrote:

Bristol Park Street?

That looks more like Gin Lane

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slc replied to brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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brooksby wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

brooksby wrote:

Now they just need to encourage shops on Park Street that aren't artisan gin bars, barbers, or charity shops… 

It's what the people want, though

Also wanted: an uphill travellator for peds and bikes. Bristolians often consider Park Street to be one of the world's most difficult climbs, and the quintessential hill-of-cycling-prevention. 

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brooksby replied to slc | 2 weeks ago
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slc wrote:

brooksby wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

brooksby wrote:

Now they just need to encourage shops on Park Street that aren't artisan gin bars, barbers, or charity shops… 

It's what the people want, though

Also wanted: an uphill travellator for peds and bikes. Bristolians often consider Park Street to be one of the world's most difficult climbs, and the quintessential hill-of-cycling-prevention. 

I ride it every day, as I work just off Park Street.

You know, I have noticed that going down it is a lot easier than going up yes

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Dnnnnnn replied to slc | 2 weeks ago
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slc wrote:

Bristolians often consider Park Street to be one of the world's most difficult climbs

That's why I tend to go via Colston Street and Park Row!

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slc replied to Dnnnnnn | 2 weeks ago
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Dnnnnnn wrote:

slc wrote:

Bristolians often consider Park Street to be one of the world's most difficult climbs

That's why I tend to go via Colston Street and Park Row!

Jacob's Wells Road for me. Similar gradient, fewer witnesses.  

 

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hawkinspeter replied to slc | 2 weeks ago
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slc wrote:

Jacob's Wells Road for me. Similar gradient, fewer witnesses.  

I'm just glad that the cycle path towards the new Ashley Down station has re-opened as I was often going up Ashley Hill instead - guaranteed to have a car or two following you.

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chrisonabike | 3 weeks ago
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(The Post didn't seem to have all the pics - they are available on the council's news site here).

The design details - such as you can see on a very cursory inspection - look good.  In particular the continuous footway (Robert Weetman has a good guide to different "styles" and a checklist for assessing "quality" / effectiveness here).

But how does it look at the network level?

Obviously with Bristol's hills, quite a few people would appreciate public transport to get up them - but will it feel safe grinding uphill with the buses?  (Answer: probably an improvement compared to doing same plus cars?)  Will the buses just get stuck behind all the traffic at the "bus gates"?  (AKA "where do you want us to put the congestion?")

Does it aid any "cycling network"?

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hawkinspeter replied to chrisonabike | 3 weeks ago
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I think the changes are going to be of more benefit to pedestrians and the shops along Park St, but there's usually a fair amount of two wheeled traffic up and down there. The hill won't be so problematic for the e-bike/e-scooter riders.

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Bmblbzzz replied to hawkinspeter | 2 weeks ago
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Although "run up Park St faster than the two-up e-scooter" is a fun game.

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hawkinspeter replied to chrisonabike | 2 weeks ago
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They've got some changes planned for further along Queens Road too - that looks very different from the current roundabout. (https://maps.app.goo.gl/HbJ9b2SL2eHf1VXS6)

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Bmblbzzz replied to hawkinspeter | 2 weeks ago
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I think changes there will be genuinely beneficial. I'm not so sure changes on Park St will benefit cycling – though they should reinvigorate the street as a destination.

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hawkinspeter replied to Bmblbzzz | 2 weeks ago
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Bmblbzzz wrote:

I think changes there will be genuinely beneficial. I'm not so sure changes on Park St will benefit cycling – though they should reinvigorate the street as a destination.

I agree.

I've not found Park St to be that bad for cycling (apart from the uphill bit) - I think where it goes into the Triangle is worse as that has the different lanes that require bold positioning to not get pushed in to the pavement and drivers often don't know what lane they should use.

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brooksby replied to hawkinspeter | 2 weeks ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

Bmblbzzz wrote:

I think changes there will be genuinely beneficial. I'm not so sure changes on Park St will benefit cycling – though they should reinvigorate the street as a destination.

I agree.

I've not found Park St to be that bad for cycling (apart from the uphill bit) - I think where it goes into the Triangle is worse as that has the different lanes that require bold positioning to not get pushed in to the pavement and drivers often don't know what lane they should use.

That bit at the top is horrible (from the traffic lights at the top of Park Street all along to the bend by Forbidden Planet).

As far as I have been able to tell, motorists are allowed to get in the correct lane (eg. right hand lane for going right and off toward Whiteladies Road, left hand lane for Jacobs Wells Road) ahead of time and to freely move between lanes if they make a mistake, but cyclists are expected to stay far left no matter what surprise

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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brooksby wrote:

That bit at the top is horrible (from the traffic lights at the top of Park Street all along to the bend by Forbidden Planet).

As far as I have been able to tell, motorists are allowed to get in the correct lane (eg. right hand lane for going right and off toward Whiteladies Road, left hand lane for Jacobs Wells Road) ahead of time and to freely move between lanes if they make a mistake, but cyclists are expected to stay far left no matter what surprise

Yeah, I'm usually fairly bold with lane positioning, but I'd often stay to the left at those traffic lights as it's slower to set off due to the uphill bit. I find it easier to move out after most of the cars have gone past, but you do need to keep a look out for drivers changing lane or overtaking and then trying to turn left.

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Bmblbzzz replied to brooksby | 2 weeks ago
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brooksby wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

Bmblbzzz wrote:

I think changes there will be genuinely beneficial. I'm not so sure changes on Park St will benefit cycling – though they should reinvigorate the street as a destination.

I agree.

I've not found Park St to be that bad for cycling (apart from the uphill bit) - I think where it goes into the Triangle is worse as that has the different lanes that require bold positioning to not get pushed in to the pavement and drivers often don't know what lane they should use.

That bit at the top is horrible (from the traffic lights at the top of Park Street all along to the bend by Forbidden Planet).

As far as I have been able to tell, motorists are allowed to get in the correct lane (eg. right hand lane for going right and off toward Whiteladies Road, left hand lane for Jacobs Wells Road) ahead of time and to freely move between lanes if they make a mistake, but cyclists are expected to stay far left no matter what surprise

I'll see your Forbidden Planet and raise it to the Victoria Rooms. Everything from the Park Street - Queens Rd - Park Row junction to there needs reshaping.

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hawkinspeter replied to Bmblbzzz | 2 weeks ago
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Bmblbzzz wrote:

I'll see your Forbidden Planet and raise it to the Victoria Rooms. Everything from the Park Street - Queens Rd - Park Row junction to there needs reshaping.

See my earlier comment that includes a pic of the changed road in front of the Victoria Rooms.

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