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Minister says he'll consider switching off traffic lights to help ease congestion

IEA report recommending removal of traffic lights also claims that cycle lanes have ‘unfortunate’ effects on motorists

Stating that “traffic is said to flow more freely" when traffic lights are not working in his constituency, road safety minister Andrew Jones has said he will consider switching off traffic lights to reduce congestion. He did however also express serious reservations with regards to the possible impact on safety.

The Telegraph reports that the idea was put forward by Conservative MP, Philip Hollobone.

Addressing Jones in the House of Commons, Hollobone said:

"One of the problems for local bus passengers is congestion and delays, and people in Kettering always say that when the traffic lights stop working, the traffic flows much better. So given that you are responsible for local roads, will you consider undertaking a pilot where we could switch traffic lights off and get traffic and buses flowing more freely?"

Jones didn’t rule out such a trial, but admitted to having “major reservations” on safety grounds. "I will have a look at what you say but I think we should be very cautious about removing traffic lights because they're a key ingredient in road safety."

Earlier this year, a report by the Institute of Economic Affairs suggested there was an economic case for the UK to lose 80 per cent of its traffic lights.

The number of traffic lights in England increased by 25 per cent between 2000 and 2014, even though there was just a five per cent increase in traffic in that time.

Report author and head of transport at the Institute of Economic Affairs Dr Richard Wellings said:

"For too long policy makers have failed to make a cost-benefit analysis of a range of regulations – including traffic lights, speed cameras and bus lanes – making life a misery from drivers nationwide.

"It's quite clear that traffic management has spread far beyond the locations where it might be justified, to the detriment of the economy, environment and road safety.

"The evidence of shared space schemes shows the transformational benefits of less regulated approach, whilst the removal of a high proportion of traffic lights would deliver substantial economic and social benefits."

The report also said that cycle lanes, bus lanes, advanced stop lines and 20mph zones in urban areas have "unfortunate" effects on motorists. In response, the Department for Transport emphasised that travel times and the consequent economic impact were far from being the only considerations.

"Road accidents come with a human cost which unfortunately, as families across the country know, is far too high.

"Local councils are responsible for managing their networks in such a way as to balance the needs of all users. We provide guidance on designing and implementing measures but it is up to the authorities to decide how best to implement them."

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antigee | 8 years ago
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the report covers a number of areas - I looked at  one with interest as here in Melbourne (as in the UK) - the issue of "taking away" parking spaces from outside businesses is a major issue...

(with adjacent trams it is literally a matter of life and death)

from page 15 of the report:

http://www.iea.org.uk/sites/default/files/in-the-media/files/IEA%20Seein...

 

........Parking policies appear to have a particularly detrimental impact, often combined with other measures (see Portas 2011). Bus and cycle lanes can mean parking restrictions outside homes and businesses. These may deter car-owning households which, compared with car-free households, tend to be better off (ONS 2014). They may be replaced by a shifting population in multiple-occupancy housing or low-income tenants on housing benefit and/or local authority leases. Thus traffic control can contribute to social decay. (ref 28)

 Similarly, anti-car policies can damage local businesses by making it less convenient to visit their locality. With car owners’ spending pushed elsewhere, local businesses may fail or go downmarket in a spiral of urban ‘degeneration’. (ref 29)

There is already a problem with shabby high streets blighted by boarded-up businesses and a shift downmarket catering to lower-income, non-car driving customers. Unattractive environments in turn deter the better-heeled from residing in the afflicted areas. Blighted neighbourhoods may then become targets of government regeneration policies, at additional cost to taxpayers.

28 This field would benefit from further research to explore the relationship.

29 A survey of local newspaper reports reveals this to be a widespread problem across the UK. For example: ‘Bus lanes have put me out of business, claims shop owner’, Manchester Evening News, 12 January 2013.

 

so cycle lanes and non car ownership are responsible for urban decline and blighted neighbourhoods? As the reference says this field would benefit from research but this isn't reflected in the conclusions.

Using the views expressed in local newspaper reports as the only facts to support the conclusion seems very weak.

For an alternative view on the impact of taking space away from cars try this - maybe equally guilty on looking only at evidence that supports an argument but at least looks at some data:

http://www.citylab.com/cityfixer/2015/03/the-complete-business-case-for-...

 

 

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HarrogateSpa | 8 years ago
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He's  my constituency MP, and as far as I can tell, reasonably open-minded - not just pro-car and anti-everything else.

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arfa | 8 years ago
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But you can have a lot of fun asking if they missed the module on externalities when they were at school (last year) and failing that, how does the Institute fund itself  3

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bikebot | 8 years ago
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After many years of progress, pedestrian deaths have recently  begun to rise.

He's the Road Safety Minister.

 

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flathunt replied to bikebot | 8 years ago
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bikebot wrote:

After many years of progress, pedestrian deaths have recently  begun to rise.

He's the Road Safety Minister.

 

Sounds like the path safety minister needs a kicking then.

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burtthebike replied to bikebot | 8 years ago
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bikebot wrote:

After many years of progress, pedestrian deaths have recently  begun to rise.

He's the Road Safety Minister.

 

 

Quite right: the road safety minister for drivers.

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arfa | 8 years ago
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Quite a lot of what comes out of there is comedy gold. If you try and debate externalities with them, they refuse to recognise them unless favourable to their hypothesis. The good minister should consider the report and file it in the round thing on the floor in the corner.

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oldstrath replied to arfa | 8 years ago
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arfa wrote:

Quite a lot of what comes out of there is comedy gold. If you try and debate externalities with them, they refuse to recognise them unless favourable to their hypothesis. The good minister should consider the report and file it in the round thing on the floor in the corner.

To be fair, most of their ideas would look outrageous for the majority  if they did recognise externalities.  Not really a good reason, but they'd  look a bit silly admitting that most of what  they claim to believe is shit.

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P3t3 | 8 years ago
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Yeah - they lost me at "The evidence of shared space schemes shows the transformational benefits of less regulated approach" yeah - the eveidence is negative - stop giving us this crap!  

 

Traffic lights work to ease congestion during busy times (i.e. when there is congestion).  

When its not congested then they aren't needed... but its also not congested! 

So how the hell is turning them off going to ease congestion!?

 

Its also going to make it even harder to cross the road.  

 

There are a million other things to try to reduce congestion, like actually reducing traffic levels,  before we turn off all the traffic lights and move another step closer to being the thrid world country these Tory dimiwits want us to be!

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ron611087 | 8 years ago
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Take anything suggested by Richard Wellings with a good deal of scepticism. He has recently teamed up with Martin Cassini - Shared Space protaganist . Getting rid of pavements, traffic lights and any other impediments under the guise of Shared Space allows takeover of space by motorised traffic to the exclusion of every other road user.  Suits his agenda perfectly.

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surly_by_name replied to ron611087 | 8 years ago
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ron611087 wrote:

Take anything suggested by Richard Wellings with a good deal of scepticism. He has recently teamed up with Martin Cassini - Shared Space protaganist . Getting rid of pavements, traffic lights and any other impediments under the guise of Shared Space allows takeover of space by motorised traffic to the exclusion of every other road user.  Suits his agenda perfectly.

 

Agree entirely. Shared space doesn't work. "Sharing" space with a ton or so of fast moving metal tends not to be such a desirable thing to do with the result that vehicles end up crowding out other user. Not really much sharing then.

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jasecd | 8 years ago
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"Unfortunate effects on motorists"

Does he mean the inability to move through public spaces with absolutely no delay and unimpeded by anyone else regardless of safety, air pollution, noise pollution, space taken, resources consumed, damage to public infrastructure and the huge consequences to public health of a lazy, motor centric society?

That is unfortunate...

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Rhode_Long | 8 years ago
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This seems to be a popular, easy vote winning soundbite policy. Some of the Bristol Mayoral candidates are spouting this one for the forthcoming election, I think to pander to the anti-George (Ferguson - current independent mayor) brigade who see him as anti-car.

Makes George alright in my book therefore!

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50kcommute | 8 years ago
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If there are no more lights, what would we jump?? 

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50kcommute | 8 years ago
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If there are no more lights, what would we jump?? 

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wycombewheeler | 8 years ago
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actually, I'm all for removal of traffic lights, getting more and more fed up of stopping at lights late at nightand having to wait several minutes for a car to come and acompany through.

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I love my bike replied to wycombewheeler | 8 years ago
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wycombewheeler wrote:

actually, I'm all for removal of traffic lights, getting more and more fed up of stopping at lights late at night and having to wait several minutes for a car to come and acompany through.

Maybe we should set traffic lights to all flashing ambers during quiet times, like they do on much of the continent?

So motorists don't like waiting in queues of vehicles & don't want cyclists & bus passengers to travel faster than they do, BUT rather than doing the right thing and not use the car, they want to slow down everybody else - genius!

CAR IS ALWAYS KING - CAR IS ALWAYS KING - CAR IS ALWAYS KING - don't argue!

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oldstrath | 8 years ago
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It would be nice if the IEA showed similar enthusiasm for a proper cost benefit analysis of private motoring, and the consequent suppression of cycling and walking.

What is it with right-wing "think tanks" and cars?

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davel replied to oldstrath | 8 years ago
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oldstrath wrote:

It would be nice if the IEA showed similar enthusiasm for a proper cost benefit analysis of private motoring, and the consequent suppression of cycling and walking. What is it with right-wing "think tanks" and cars?

Nail. On. Head.

They need to employ a social 'science' monkey to work out the cost/benefit and impact on productivity of 10 pedestrians waiting on the pavement in the rain for one car to amble up a side road in, say, Manchester city centre on, ooooh, say every minute of the morning rush hour.

How are those peds going to cross the road with no traffic lights? Or are all Important People expected to drive to work now?

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wycombewheeler replied to davel | 8 years ago
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davel wrote:

..impact on productivity of 10 pedestrians waiting on the pavement in the rain for one car to amble up a side road ..

pedestrians on the main road have priority over vehicles on the side road anyway.  Especially once they have started to cross.

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oldstrath replied to wycombewheeler | 8 years ago
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wycombewheeler wrote:

davel wrote:

..impact on productivity of 10 pedestrians waiting on the pavement in the rain for one car to amble up a side road ..

pedestrians on the main road have priority over vehicles on the side road anyway.  Especially once they have started to cross.

I hope you don't try this at home.

Not the main issue anyway. There are many costs imposed by motoring, not least the reduced scope for easy aerobic exercise.

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