Team Sky to become Team Ineos from 1 May

alansmurphy wrote:

Longass, are you having a bad month, you're very aggressive.

Apologise if that is the impression I have given. I thought I was behaving myself! I really held back when "Welsh Boy" called anybody who thinks carbon fibre reinforced plastic bikes contain plastic, not only carbon, numpties. I thought that was post of the year already. I'll go do my breathing exercises.

All those things you mention are great. I'm not advocating less money in cycling just the system where teams are locked out of the profits from races and so have to hawk themselves for sponsorship.

Welsh boy wrote:

Don’t you just love the numpties who think they are clever saying that we ride plastic bikes. Someone who doesn’t know the difference between carbon and plastic can’t really be taken seriously.  It is not the manufacturer who puts the product in the ocean, it is the idiot who doesn’t dispose of it properly who is the problem. If you feel so strongly about plastic then boycott products wrapped in it. This sponsorship can only be good for cycling, whether it is good for the environment or not is another argument altogether.

Totally agree, the influx of money into football has raised the profile and introduced us to some exceptional players. F1 hasn't suffered from the influx of money and I don't expect there to be any negatives to rugby union as the money comes in and 6 nations is taken off free to air.

All positive stuff.

don simon fbpe wrote:

Welsh boy wrote:

Don’t you just love the numpties who think they are clever saying that we ride plastic bikes. Someone who doesn’t know the difference between carbon and plastic can’t really be taken seriously.  It is not the manufacturer who puts the product in the ocean, it is the idiot who doesn’t dispose of it properly who is the problem. If you feel so strongly about plastic then boycott products wrapped in it. This sponsorship can only be good for cycling, whether it is good for the environment or not is another argument altogether.

Totally agree, the influx of money into football has raised the profile and introduced us to some exceptional players. F1 hasn't suffered from the influx of money and I don't expect there to be any negatives to rugby union as the money comes in and 6 nations is taken off free to air.

All positive stuff.

My irony meter might be broken so forgive me if I've got the wrong end of the stick but the influx of money to F1 has completely ruined it as a sport & spectacle,and as for football,outside the heady heights of money no object clubs in the EPL why not ask Bolton Wanderers fans what they currently think of their situation on the brink of being wound up in the courts.

On the whole I'm fairly indifferent on who or what Ineos are for now,as I don't know enough about them or their business,but i can't be un happy they want to invest in cycling when so few seem willing or able anymore & keep a predominantly Brit procycling team on the road

Welsh boy wrote:

Don’t you just love the numpties who think they are clever saying that we ride plastic bikes. Someone who doesn’t know the difference between carbon and plastic can’t really be taken seriously.  

INEOS makes acrylonitrile which is a core ingredient for the production of carbon fibre.  In fact they supply it to Toray who make the carbon fibre for Pinarello.

Ref corporate magazine December 2016 which was an article on Froome's tour winning Dogma.

I doubt there will be one of you reading this who have not used a product with INEOS produced material within it.

Welsh boy wrote:

Don’t you just love the numpties who think they are clever saying that we ride plastic bikes. Someone who doesn’t know the difference between carbon and plastic can’t really be taken seriously.  

Are you for real?

Welsh boy wrote:

It is not the manufacturer who puts the product in the ocean, it is the idiot who doesn’t dispose of it properly who is the problem. If you feel so strongly about plastic then boycott products wrapped in it. 

This is all so obvious I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply, but... Have you heard nothing about the movement to move the responsibility for recycling from the consumer and government to the retailer and manufacturer?

I don't really care personally about Ineos sponsoring cycling, it's more the amount of money and the team organisation that bother me, however it's totally reasonable if other people morally object.

longassballs wrote:

Welsh boy wrote:

It is not the manufacturer who puts the product in the ocean, it is the idiot who doesn’t dispose of it properly who is the problem. If you feel so strongly about plastic then boycott products wrapped in it. 

Have you heard nothing about the movement to move the responsibility for recycling from the consumer and government to the retailer and manufacturer?

Shock as bunch of people who love to complain about things on the internet but don't want to inconvenience themselves by actually changing their behaviour try to shift responsibility for their actions to someone else.

You can shift responsibility for recycling to the retailer without a single law being enacted - simply unwrap things that are sheathed in unnecessary plastic in the shop prior to purchase.

srchar wrote:

Shock as bunch of people who love to complain about things on the internet but don't want to inconvenience themselves by actually changing their behaviour try to shift responsibility for their actions to someone else.

You can shift responsibility for recycling to the retailer without a single law being enacted - simply unwrap things that are sheathed in unnecessary plastic in the shop prior to purchase.

How do you know I don't?

This is silly. Sure people can do that already. People could take personal responsibility, but if they don't, let's just leave things the way they are then, eh? I doubt this would be the most successful method for less plastic consumption. This is what government is for.

Let's abolish all rules on the road. People should just take personal responsibility. It'll all work out.

Welsh boy wrote:

Don’t you just love the numpties who think they are clever saying that we ride plastic bikes. Someone who doesn’t know the difference between carbon and plastic can’t really be taken seriously.  It is not the manufacturer who puts the product in the ocean, it is the idiot who doesn’t dispose of it properly who is the problem. If you feel so strongly about plastic then boycott products wrapped in it. This sponsorship can only be good for cycling, whether it is good for the environment or not is another argument altogether.

Your grasp of the plastics issue is startlingly simplistic. What's good for cycling is viewership. It remains to be seen if having one super-team winning the TdF every year will be good for viewership. I know I've stopped watching it.

schlepcycling wrote:

Are we going to similarly protest at Total's replacement as sponsor for Direct Energie?, who are more than twice the size of Ineos by revenue £209bn vs £90bn.

Good point! I suppose people here comment on Team Sky as it's a British team and the most successful in recent years.

Batchy wrote:

For me this is a sad day. I put up with Team Sky because of its Britishness despite its connections with Murdoch's right wing press. Sky did make an attempt to look "green" but now they really have sold their  souls to the devil. Money, money, money. Frack, frack, frack. Fuck, fuck, fuck the Earth. Come on Brailsford where are your morals !!!

Yes because flying riders round the world to race bikes is the greenest thing in the world.

Look at any pro tour race- all of the support vehicles, press, judges, sponsors, fans chasing round after it.

Ineos will be producing their chemicals whether or not they sponsor a bike team.

I don't see you protesting outside their HQ ?

fenix wrote:

I don't see you protesting outside their HQ ?

No. You don’t see anyone. But that may be because of the injunction granted in 2017 preventing protests at “the prospective shale gas sites at Harthill, and Woodsetts, in South Yorkshire and Marsh Lane, Derbyshire; the production sites at Doe Green, Cheshire and Ebberston South, North Yorkshire; and headquarters in central London and Hampshire.”

https://drillordrop.com/2019/03/04/campaigners-bring-test-case-against-c...

fenix wrote:

Batchy wrote:

For me this is a sad day. I put up with Team Sky because of its Britishness despite its connections with Murdoch's right wing press. Sky did make an attempt to look "green" but now they really have sold their  souls to the devil. Money, money, money. Frack, frack, frack. Fuck, fuck, fuck the Earth. Come on Brailsford where are your morals !!!

Yes because flying riders round the world to race bikes is the greenest thing in the world.

Look at any pro tour race- all of the support vehicles, press, judges, sponsors, fans chasing round after it.

Ineos will be producing their chemicals whether or not they sponsor a bike team.

I don't see you protesting outside their HQ ?

So in order to have a legitimate criticism of Ineos one must first protest outside their HQ, not use any plastic, nor chemicals, nor derive any benefit from any oil products - and woe betide if you watch or interact with anyone else doing the same. I assume you live six months of the year at the former site of Bergen Belsen to protest antisemitism, and the other half year swimming with whales to prevent their slaughter.

We all use plastics. Plastics are fucking brilliant. Most of use ride around on plastic bikes. Is it really controversial to abhor their over use? Or dislike fracking? I don't really know what Ineos do, so I could very well be wrong, but I highly doubt they take a full and active role in pro-environmental issues.

Is it hypocritical to point out the hypocrisy of a team that goes from one season having a whale on their jerseys promoting anti plastic pollution, to the next being sponsored by one of the world's biggest plastic producing companies? In the week a beached whale turned up with 40kg of plastic in its stomach? Let alone that the other sponsor contender was the national oil company of Colombia?

Even the most ardent Sky fan must admit that Brailsford is the master of management-speak. He reminds me of a German saying - he could put lipstick on a pig.

longassballs wrote:

fenix wrote:

Batchy wrote:

For me this is a sad day. I put up with Team Sky because of its Britishness despite its connections with Murdoch's right wing press. Sky did make an attempt to look "green" but now they really have sold their  souls to the devil. Money, money, money. Frack, frack, frack. Fuck, fuck, fuck the Earth. Come on Brailsford where are your morals !!!

Yes because flying riders round the world to race bikes is the greenest thing in the world. Look at any pro tour race- all of the support vehicles, press, judges, sponsors, fans chasing round after it. Ineos will be producing their chemicals whether or not they sponsor a bike team. I don't see you protesting outside their HQ ?

So in order to have a legitimate criticism of Ineos one must first protest outside their HQ, not use any plastic, nor chemicals, nor derive any benefit from any oil products - and woe betide if you watch or interact with anyone else doing the same. I assume you live six months of the year at the former site of Bergen Belsen to protest antisemitism, and the other half year swimming with whales to prevent their slaughter. We all use plastics. Plastics are fucking brilliant. Most of use ride around on plastic bikes. Is it really controversial to abhor their over use? Or dislike fracking? I don't really know what Ineos do, so I could very well be wrong, but I highly doubt they take a full and active role in pro-environmental issues. Is it hypocritical to point out the hypocrisy of a team that goes from one season having a whale on their jerseys promoting anti plastic pollution, to the next being sponsored by one of the world's biggest plastic producing companies? In the week a beached whale turned up with 40kg of plastic in its stomach? Let alone that the other sponsor contender was the national oil company of Colombia? Even the most ardent Sky fan must admit that Brailsford is the master of management-speak. He reminds me of a German saying - he could put lipstick on a pig.

Since when did I say anything about plastic bags? Ineos is a major player in the fracking business. We need to be concentrating on phasing out fossil fuels. Just wait until half of the North of England including Yorkshire has been fracked and fucked and see if you still feel the same about Ineos !