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Live blog: "outrageous claims" – Tao Geoghegan Hart lays into Eurosport commentator Carlton Kirby, cyclists blamed for countryside litter – Twitter responds, Colnago e-bike, Jason Kenny, Jeremy Vine on close-passes, TdY teams, Peloton baby + more

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25 March 2019, 17:53
Thomas De Gendt bosses Volta a Catalunya opener and solos into 3-minute overall lead

Thomas De Gendt launched a solo attack from the break with 60 kilometres remaining of today’s opening stage of the Volta a Catalunya, covering 163 kilometres and starting and finishing in Calella – and the Lotto-Soudal rider now finds himself with a lead of almost three minutes on his rivals.

Among the big names the Belgian put time into today were Alejandro Valverde, fourth overall and 2 minutes 56 second down in fourth place overall, and Team Sky’s Egan Bernal, a further 1 second back.

25 March 2019, 17:18
Not much love for Eurosport commentator Carlton Kirby amongst the Team Sky ranks it seems...

The prodigious British rider Tao Geoghegan Hart laid into Kirby's "outrageous claims", and Owain Doull also chipped in to describe Kirby as a "proper muppet". Controversial!

25 March 2019, 17:09
Free baby with your Peloton

If you're after one, guess that does make the two grand plus 40 quid a month price tag seem a little fairer...

25 March 2019, 16:50
Air pollution: London mother launches petition for second inquest into daughter''s death

A mother from London has launched a petition calling for a second coroner's inquest into the death of her daughter, who passed away at nine years of age in what was originally believed to be an asthma-related case. She talks about the background to the petition, which you can sign here, in this video.

 

25 March 2019, 15:18
This again...

You might remember an 'interpretive spinning' vid doing the rounds on social media a few weeks ago. Well now here's the synchronised version...

25 March 2019, 13:03
Teams announced for Tour de Yorkshire

Teams have been announced for May's Tour de Yorkshire and the Asda Tour de Yorkshire Women's Race.

Here they are listed below, but we already know there will be one change - Team Sky will be racing as Team Ineos, with the Tour de Yorkshire being its first race following the management company's sale to the petrochemical business.

Tour de Yorkshire

Mens Teams

Asda Tour de Yorkshire Women's Race

Womens Teams

 

25 March 2019, 12:47
Jason Kenny after winning the keirin at Rio 2016 (copyright Britishcycling.org_.uk).jpg
Jason Kenny recounts last month’s near miss on BBC TV

Jason Kenny has recounted to the BBC the near miss he and his infant son Albie encountered while out cycling last month.

As we reported at the time, the six-time Olympic champion tweeted that he had been on a Sunday bike ride with his son when they were “almost run over by a van driver who drove at us, then proceeded to angrily inform me it was my fault we nearly died.”

Eurosport reports that Kenny expanded on the incident on BBC One today, saying: “Someone felt they had right of way and decided that gave them the right to kind of jump on the throttle and drive at us, which was a scary experience.

“I’m a bit annoyed at myself because I lost my temper at the time. We had a heated debate about the incident and then the person drove away.

“I think there seems to be a bad feeling against cyclists and it’s really strange because they’re only people,” he continued.

“We met a young boy and young girl who recently lost their mum, and it’s really sad when you see that side of it. She got hit by a car and that’s someone’s mum, not just a cyclist. It is really sad when you see the consequences of that.

“This person has obviously just seen red, ‘I’ve got right of way, I’m going to go’, and you might have right of way technically – whether you do or don’t is often debatable – but it doesn’t give you the right to smash someone and potentially kill someone, which is what is going to happen if you run someone off their bike.

“I think it’s just taking a breath and think about the consequences,” he concluded.

25 March 2019, 11:18
Yoann Offredo's condition described as not life-threatening after GP de Denain crash

The Wanty-Groupe Gobert rider was air lifted to hospital after the crash yesterday, but thankfully it seems like he's in a stable condition. 

25 March 2019, 09:41
Colnago to launch an e-bike?

What blasphemy is this? One of the world’s most iconic cycling brands appears set to launch an e-bike.

Colnago is using social media to tease the arrival of its new E64 Performance, which we’ll go out on a limb and guess is the company’s attempt to tap into the rapidly growing e-bike market.

e-bikes are very much the SUVs of the car world with every manufacturer seemingly keen to add at least one to their range to not miss out

We've asked Colnago for more details but they just shrugged their shoulders in reply.

25 March 2019, 09:14
Telegraph article suggests "Littering cyclists and joggers could be to blame for countryside rubbish problem"

The headline does anyway, while the sources in the article cover a few different potential causes. According to the Telegraph, cyclists and joggers could be targeted as part of a new Government initiative to work out who is leaving waste behind in countryside. It's garnering quite a few sarcastic responses on Twitter...

While folk littering with gel wrappers is no doubt annoying, is it really up there with fly-tipping? Let us know what you think in the comments. 

25 March 2019, 09:12
Jeremy Vine's latest unpleasant encounter

This time it's a driver who doesn't get the concept of taking the lane (and is caught soon after he risks an overtake on the clogged up London street anyway)

25 March 2019, 09:10
'Youths on pedal cycles' help Wednesfield Police catch thief

The youngsters were congratulated by the force on Twitter, as they helped chase down a thief who had stolen over £300 worth of goods. Bloody hoodlums...

25 March 2019, 09:08
Super tight skills

Apologies it's in super annoying meme form (we couldn't find the original source) but this is too good not too share!

Arriving at road.cc in 2017 via 220 Triathlon Magazine, Jack dipped his toe in most jobs on the site and over at eBikeTips before being named the new editor of road.cc in 2020, much to his surprise. His cycling life began during his students days, when he cobbled together a few hundred quid off the back of a hard winter selling hats (long story) and bought his first road bike - a Trek 1.1 that was quickly relegated to winter steed, before it was sadly pinched a few years later. Creatively replacing it with a Trek 1.2, Jack mostly rides this bike around local cycle paths nowadays, but when he wants to get the racer out and be competitive his preferred events are time trials, sportives, triathlons and pogo sticking - the latter being another long story.  

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ficklewhippet | 4 years ago
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WOW!

Keep spouting on then, Dear Leader.

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... replied to ficklewhippet | 4 years ago
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ficklewhippet wrote:

WOW!

Keep spouting on then, Dear Leader.

QED.

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peted76 | 4 years ago
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I'd like to think that in the future, people will look at the 20th/21st centuries and the 'age of global capitalism' and label it a mistake. How investors should insisted on profits over morals or society, how failing companies can buy other failing companies and call it growth and success, just to delay the inevitable. The needs of the worlds inhabitants are not being met, we're killing our earth.. but it's okay as we've all got iPads, a Starbucks on every corner and can get whatever we like online and on credit. The rich get richer and the gulf between the haves and the have nots widens. Orders for 'super yachts' are going ballistic while there's more homeless on our streets and mental health issues than ever before. 

It's not about Labour or Conservaties or their leaders, it's about the way we allow our society to be funded/lobbied/supported and behave. 

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... replied to peted76 | 4 years ago
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peted76 wrote:

It's not about Labour or Conservaties 

Oh, dear fucking God.

And people like you have the vote.  cool

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ficklewhippet replied to Legs_Eleven_Worcester | 4 years ago
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Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

peted76 wrote:

It's not about Labour or Conservaties 

Oh, dear fucking God.

And people like you have the vote.  cool

How's the view from up on your high, high horse?

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... replied to ficklewhippet | 4 years ago
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ficklewhippet wrote:

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

peted76 wrote:

It's not about Labour or Conservaties 

Oh, dear fucking God.

And people like you have the vote.  cool

How's the view from up on your high, high horse?

It's quite nice, actually.  

But I prefer my usual spot, over in the 'People Who Actually Have a Fucking Clue About Politics' box.  

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bobbinogs replied to Legs_Eleven_Worcester | 4 years ago
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Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

...I prefer my usual spot, over in the 'People Who Actually Have a Fucking Clue About Politics' box.  

I think you will find that many of us don't mind what you write on the front of the box in crayon, as long as you actually stay in the box.

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... replied to bobbinogs | 4 years ago
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Bobbinogs wrote:

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

...I prefer my usual spot, over in the 'People Who Actually Have a Fucking Clue About Politics' box.  

I think you will find that many of us don't mind what you write on the front of the box in crayon, as long as you actually stay in the box.

It's a very exclusive box.  At least, on this site.

But that's only because I'm apparently 'an advocate for the system'.  

That's right! 

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burtthebike replied to Legs_Eleven_Worcester | 4 years ago
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Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

Oh, dear fucking God.

And people like you have the vote.  cool

How's the view from up on your high, high horse?

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It's quite nice, actually.  

But I prefer my usual spot, over in the 'People Who Actually Have a Fucking Clue About Politics' box.  

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It's one thing to be intelligent and informed, but quite another to be arrogant and opinionated.

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... replied to burtthebike | 4 years ago
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burtthebike wrote:

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

Oh, dear fucking God.

And people like you have the vote.  cool

How's the view from up on your high, high horse?

It's quite nice, actually.  

But I prefer my usual spot, over in the 'People Who Actually Have a Fucking Clue About Politics' box.  

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It's one thing to be intelligent and informed, but quite another to be arrogant and opinionated.

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I daresay.  

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... replied to burtthebike | 4 years ago
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burtthebike wrote:

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

Oh, dear fucking God.

And people like you have the vote.  cool

How's the view from up on your high, high horse?

It's quite nice, actually.  

But I prefer my usual spot, over in the 'People Who Actually Have a Fucking Clue About Politics' box.  

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It's one thing to be intelligent and informed, but quite another to be arrogant and opinionated.

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I daresay.  

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peted76 replied to Legs_Eleven_Worcester | 4 years ago
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Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

peted76 wrote:

It's not about Labour or Conservaties 

Oh, dear fucking God.

And people like you have the vote.  cool

LOL Yessir I do.

It's people like you I worry about, acting as advocates for the system. You're one choice away from shouting at strangers in the street. 

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... replied to peted76 | 4 years ago
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peted76 wrote:

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

peted76 wrote:

It's not about Labour or Conservaties 

Oh, dear fucking God.

And people like you have the vote.  cool

LOL Yessir I do.

It's people like you I worry about, acting as advocates for the system. You're one choice away from shouting at strangers in the street. 

I'm an 'advocate for the system'? 

*thumbs up*

Attaboy!

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burtthebike | 4 years ago
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I can only imagine that the Telegraph article was written by a friend of Matthew Paris, who considered that it was perfectly justifiable to decapitate cyclists because he assumed they littered.

https://road.cc/content/news/3069-what%E2%80%99s-smug-and-deserves-be-de...

Of course, that would explain why every cycle path in the UK has to be swept clean of accumulated debris at least twice a day, and four times on Saturday and Sunday.

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leqin | 4 years ago
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Well I contribute my liitle bit - every day, on my commute into work, I take along any soft drink bottle I can find and then pee in it and randomly drop it off in hope that some poor dehydrated driver mistakes it for lemonade.... hey it isn't easy peeing in a bottle and pedaling at the same time you know.

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Simon E | 4 years ago
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I've found the same as billon2wheels above.

On the mostly rural roads I ride and walk the majority of roadside litter is beer/energy drink cans and plastic bottles. Also coffee cups, crisp packets and chocolate wrappers. I can't think of the last time I saw something I could attribute specifically to a cyclist but the clickbait-writing morons at the Torygraph won't let the facts get in the way of a good bit of cyclist-bashing.

Zebulebu wrote:

Nothing controversial about TGH or Doull's comments - Kirby is an absolute bellend. They'll both be straight in the Twitter block list though - he's like the Social Media Stasi - he Brooks no criticism

Can't see them crying themselves to sleep over that.

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Zebulebu | 4 years ago
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Nothing controversial about TGH or Doull's comments - Kirby is an absolute bellend. They'll both be straight in the Twitter block list though - he's like the Social Media Stasi - he Brooks no criticism

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billon2wheels | 4 years ago
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As part of a voluntary local litter clearing operation weekend before last I cleared the verges and hedgerows of a stretch of rural road about 2/3 mile long (sorry, about 1km long - we're cyclists, aren't we?) along which pass many cyclists every day. In the 5 large black bags of stuff I collected (plus a few choice items too big to fit into a bag) I found not a single gel wrapper or other item that would indicate a cyclist (or runner) as the guilty party. Of course, some bits such as confectionary wrappers could have been dropped by a cyclist, but it didn't look likely (chocolate melts in a jersey pocket, why carry and discard disposable bottles of water or pop when you have a bidon, is extra strong export lager really your preferred booster?). And most of the stuff just couldn't have been deposited by a cyclist (oh, ok, you couild cart it around on a tourer I suppose, or make some other determined littering effort). Given it's sometimes suggested that cyclists spread litter I was actually on the lookout for cycling related litter and my conclusion (on the basis of a small sample, admittedly) was that cyclists cause very little of the litter eyesore that is indeed a blight. 

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ktache | 4 years ago
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Thank you for thinking so highly of me, crappy temping job.  We started at 8 but weren't allowed on the motorway until 9, you had to come off the motorway if it was raining, so we spent a lot of time in Fleet services.  Spring weather, started coldish with rain, then April showers with glorious sunshine and eventually early summer warmth.  Did go a bit deaf in my right ear, build up of wax, could hear for the first few hours and then it blocked itself off.

Cleared the motorway slab ditches the next year, better weather and far enough away from the vehicles that you didn't always feel you were on the motorway.

The most dangerous was changing the coloured cats eyes on the A34 and 303, we had a rollling roadblock, with crash cart (the big metal squashable thing that might stop a truck) but some hairy moments as motorist weaved between the protecting vehicles at juctions, where there are coloured cats eyes.  How dare anyone expects drivers to slow down, what with all of theose flashing yellow lights.  It was the temps doing the changing of the eyes, lot af bending down and I had a bad back, though the worst aspect was that my "mate" a bitter ex army bloke, laughed at his own jokes and he found himself very funny.

Did one days traffic management, me who put out the cones and signs of course, and get them back 6 hours later while some other blokes drilled cores out of bridges.  The 2 Highways blokes had obviously worked together for many years, stuck in the same cab, and hated each others guts.  Every comment was so barbed and full of spite.  Didn't get much reading done that day.

Simpler times.

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ktache | 4 years ago
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It's the dedication of the cyclists that impresses me, making multiple journeys with fully laden cargo bicycles/trailers, just to dump all that buiding waste.

I did litter picking on the M3 back in the mid 90s, it took many days to clear the mile downstream of fleet services.  Bloody cyclists.

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janusz0 replied to ktache | 4 years ago
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ktache wrote:

I did litter picking on the M3 back in the mid 90s, it took many days to clear the mile downstream of fleet services.  Bloody cyclists.

Chapeau sir!  I imagine that that’s riskier than cycling around the Old Street squareabout.  Were you a “menace to society” earning remission?

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BehindTheBikesheds replied to janusz0 | 4 years ago
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janusz0 wrote:

ktache wrote:

I did litter picking on the M3 back in the mid 90s, it took many days to clear the mile downstream of fleet services.  Bloody cyclists.

Chapeau sir!  I imagine that that’s riskier than cycling around the Old Street squareabout.  Were you a “menace to society” earning remission?

Being on the hard shoulder is safer than most out of town single lane 50/60mph roads and certainly safer than many urban roads besides. The BS touted by the police and others about how dangerous the HS is especially when they come across a person on a bike there annoys me immensely, the statistics simply don't back that up.

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Jem PT | 4 years ago
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Re: the Jeremy Vine video, the only reason he is taking the (correct) line in the road is beause the cycle path is blocked with (mostly legally) parked cars. The impatient driver should question why paint is wasted on cycle paths if cars are allowed to block them.

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... replied to Jem PT | 4 years ago
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Jem PT wrote:

Re: the Jeremy Vine video, the only reason he is taking the (correct) line in the road is beause the cycle path is blocked with (mostly legally) parked cars. The impatient driver should question why paint is wasted on cycle paths if cars are allowed to block them.

And there's the crux of the matter:  the Highway Code states that drivers 'should' avoid parking on cycle lanes which are marked by non-solid lines.   This is about as effective as asking Ted Bundy if he'd mind awfully not raping and strangling innocent young women.  

The Highway Code is a shining, towering monument to crippling naivety.  For 88 years, the British road traffic system has been based on the hilarious notion that drivers can be reasoned with, and that if asked nicely, they'll 'do the decent thing'.  That the roads are some sort of fair play area where everyone observes some transport-orientated version of the Queensbury Rules.

Well, it might have worked.  If there hadn't been Thatcherism and then Blairism (i.e. a slightly pink version of Thatcherism), and four decades of public policy based on the notion that if you want something, you take it and if anyone gets in your way, the first response is physical force.  

But there was Thatcherism, and there was Blairism.  

And the Highway Code is about as effective a 'brake' on the self-centred thuggery that is now standard practice on Britain's roads, as trying to stop a thunderstorm by blowing on it.  

Bullies understand one thing: violence.  

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janusz0 replied to Legs_Eleven_Worcester | 4 years ago
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Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

cogent, plausible argument, then this:

Bullies understand one thing: violence.  

 

We don’t cut peoples hands off or lives short any more.  However, in theory, we have punishments based on other kinds of deprivation.  If they were applied, appropriately (often advocated in comments here) I think that bullies would understand that too.  In the long term, improving our sense of community would be a better goal.  

Apart from that, you deserve several upvotes. 

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... replied to janusz0 | 4 years ago
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janusz0 wrote:

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

cogent, plausible argument, then this:

Bullies understand one thing: violence.  

 

We don’t cut peoples hands off or lives short any more.  However, in theory, we have punishments based on other kinds of deprivation.  If they were applied, appropriately (often advocated in comments here) I think that bullies would understand that too.  In the long term, improving our sense of community would be a better goal.  

Apart from that, you deserve several upvotes. 

Well, of course we 'don't cut people's hands off or lives short'.  But it's such an interesting phenomenon to see people claim that that doesn't mean we don't use violence.   If I do something 'wrong', I'll be put in prison.  If my 'crime' is not sufficiently grave to merit a custodial sentence, I'll be fined and if I refuse to pay that, then I'll go to prison.  

Exactly what do you think that forcible incarceration is, if it's not a form of violence?

So when people say 'violence is never the answer', what they effectively mean - even if they don't realise they're saying it - is that violence is only 'the answer' if it's carried out by the state.  Indeed, a monopoly on the 'legitimate' use of force is one of the very definitions of the modern nation-state, from Weber and Hobbes onwards. 

This 'legitimacy' is entirely arbitrary and you won't be surprised to learn that under certain circumstances, it is not a doctrine with which I agree, since when the definition is perverted by - for example - a legislative class that receives enormous campaign contributions from the Road Haulage Association and from the petrochemical corporations, then it gives rise to injustice.   

Which brings me back to: bullies only understand one thing.   

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janusz0 replied to Legs_Eleven_Worcester | 4 years ago
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Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

janusz0 wrote:

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

cogent, plausible argument, then this:

Bullies understand one thing: violence.  

 

We don’t cut peoples hands off or lives short any more.  However, in theory, we have punishments based on other kinds of deprivation.  If they were applied, appropriately (often advocated in comments here) I think that bullies would understand that too.  In the long term, improving our sense of community would be a better goal.  

Apart from that, you deserve several upvotes. 

Well, of course we 'don't cut people's hands off or lives short'.  But it's such an interesting phenomenon to see people claim that that doesn't mean we don't use violence.   If I do something 'wrong', I'll be put in prison.  If my 'crime' is not sufficiently grave to merit a custodial sentence, I'll be fined and if I refuse to pay that, then I'll go to prison.  

Exactly what do you think that forcible incarceration is, if it's not a form of violence?

To quote myself: "punishments based on other kinds of deprivation."

Legs_Eleven_Worcester went on: wrote:

So when people say 'violence is never the answer', what they effectively mean - even if they don't realise they're saying it - is that violence is only 'the answer' if it's carried out by the state.  Indeed, a monopoly on the 'legitimate' use of force is one of the very definitions of the modern nation-state, from Weber and Hobbes onwards. 

This 'legitimacy' is entirely arbitrary and you won't be surprised to learn that under certain circumstances, it is not a doctrine with which I agree, since when the definition is perverted by - for example - a legislative class that receives enormous campaign contributions from the Road Haulage Association and from the petrochemical corporations, then it gives rise to injustice.   

Which brings me back to: bullies only understand one thing.   

No, they will understand other deterrents too.

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Legs_Eleven_Wor... replied to janusz0 | 4 years ago
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janusz0 wrote:
Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

janusz0 wrote:

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

cogent, plausible argument, then this:

Bullies understand one thing: violence.  

 

We don’t cut peoples hands off or lives short any more.  However, in theory, we have punishments based on other kinds of deprivation.  If they were applied, appropriately (often advocated in comments here) I think that bullies would understand that too.  In the long term, improving our sense of community would be a better goal.  

Apart from that, you deserve several upvotes. 

Well, of course we 'don't cut people's hands off or lives short'.  But it's such an interesting phenomenon to see people claim that that doesn't mean we don't use violence.   If I do something 'wrong', I'll be put in prison.  If my 'crime' is not sufficiently grave to merit a custodial sentence, I'll be fined and if I refuse to pay that, then I'll go to prison.  

Exactly what do you think that forcible incarceration is, if it's not a form of violence?

To quote myself: "punishments based on other kinds of deprivation."

Deprivation of liberty is a form of violence.

See above.  

janusz0 wrote:
Legs_Eleven_Worcester went on: wrote:

So when people say 'violence is never the answer', what they effectively mean - even if they don't realise they're saying it - is that violence is only 'the answer' if it's carried out by the state.  Indeed, a monopoly on the 'legitimate' use of force is one of the very definitions of the modern nation-state, from Weber and Hobbes onwards. 

This 'legitimacy' is entirely arbitrary and you won't be surprised to learn that under certain circumstances, it is not a doctrine with which I agree, since when the definition is perverted by - for example - a legislative class that receives enormous campaign contributions from the Road Haulage Association and from the petrochemical corporations, then it gives rise to injustice.   

Which brings me back to: bullies only understand one thing.   

No, they will understand other deterrents too.

*shrug* 

There's really not much I can do. 

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bobbinogs replied to Legs_Eleven_Worcester | 4 years ago
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Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

[...  If there hadn't been Thatcherism and then Blairism (i.e. a slightly pink version of Thatcherism), and four decades of public policy based on the notion that if you want something, you take it and if anyone gets in your way, the first response is physical force.  

But there was Thatcherism, and there was Blairism.  

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Good 'tinternet.  Full of rubbish like linking the chances of me getting knocked over directly to Thatcherism (Conservative) and then Blairism (Labour, in case anyone forgets).  One couldn't make it up, oh hang, someone just did.

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don simon fbpe replied to bobbinogs | 4 years ago
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Bobbinogs wrote:

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

[...  If there hadn't been Thatcherism and then Blairism (i.e. a slightly pink version of Thatcherism), and four decades of public policy based on the notion that if you want something, you take it and if anyone gets in your way, the first response is physical force.  

But there was Thatcherism, and there was Blairism.  

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Good 'tinternet.  Full of rubbish like linking the chances of me getting knocked over directly to Thatcherism (Conservative) and then Blairism (Labour, in case anyone forgets).  One couldn't make it up, oh hang, someone just did.

Isn't Blair considered to have been further to the right than Thatcher? The Labour that you're trying to highlight is not left wing, look at the trouble Corbyn is having in trying to take Labour back to the left.

Look, there's even an article on the internet https://www.ft.com/content/8352aa06-e7cc-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539 But yes, I agree, who needs reports when we can just write any old bollocks on the internet?

Thatcher made selfishness an attractive attribute to have, evil fucker!

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