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Live blog: Video: Close pass driver stops and (wrongly) tells cyclist he must use cycle lane - huge row ensues; Van driver in Ireland fined for shockingly fast close pass; Alex Dowsett educates Twitter user on riding two abreast + more

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11 June 2019, 17:11
Fine for van driver in Ireland after shockingly fast close pass

Always nice to see a result in these cases.

11 June 2019, 14:53
Raping and pillaging, Vikings, 'cynical motherbanger'... behold, perhaps the most tangential article about bike safety ever written/typed

We can summarise the article in question by Plymouth Herald journalist Carl Eve as this: 'Some teenage lads organised a group ride through town, some of the locals were unhappy, they allegedly shouted some abuse at woman who honked her horn at them (read that article here), but that's a bit unfair and what they're doing ain't all that bad really". 

The writer has a point; however we're treated to - amongst other peculiar pieces of prose - comparisons between Viking invasions and lads on bikes, a fictional character Eve has named 'Brigadier Flatulent-Buttockclench' and a guide on how to deal with teenagers before arriving at that point. As the writer says in his tweet, you may want to dedicate a good 20 minutes of your time with a cup of tea and perhaps several biscuits to digest what is being said... 

11 June 2019, 14:02
Bikes? Completed it mate

This might just be one of the snazziest bikes we've ever had in for testing, originally for the purposes of testing Campagnolo's new EPS groupset. Spec of the dream build: 

Basso Diamante frameset
Campagnolo Super Record EPS 12 speed groupset - 52/36 chainrings, 11/29 cassette
Deda Superzero carbon bars
Campagnolo Bora WTO carbon wheels, 60mm depth
Vittoria Corsa Speed Graphene 2.0 tyres
Selle San Marco Aspire saddle

11 June 2019, 12:05
Close pass driver stops and (wrongly) tells cyclist he must use cycle lane - massive argument ensues

A cyclist has posted a video to YouTube showing a very close pass by a motorist who subsequently drove alongside him then got out of his car and, as well as issuing threats, repeatedly insisted (wrongly) that the rider must use an adjacent shared-use path.

Well done to the cyclist for managing to remain calm - and to the other (very well-informed) rider who stopped to support his insistence that he had every right to be on the road, and that it was the driver who had broken the law by not giving sufficient room.

In a lengthy argument, the driver insists that the cyclist shouldn’t be in the middle of the road, that he should have lights on, and – when he is informed the cyclist is filming with a helmet camera – accuses him of “going around looking for trouble” so he can post videos to YouTube.

Warning - The video contains a lot of swearing.

11 June 2019, 11:22
Change of name for Team Dimension Data as parent company NTT rebrands business?

A change of name could be on the cards for Team Dimension Data as its sponsor's parent company NTT - in full, Nippon Telephone and Telegraph, the fourth largest telecoms business in the world - brings the business under its own corporate identity.

Inner Ring's suggestion that the team could relaunch ahead of the Tour de France - a race for which Dimension Data also provides data services - seems like a good call.

11 June 2019, 10:35
You couldn't make it up etc...

As Kil0ran says in the comments section, there is almost insufficient levels of popcorn in the world to get us through this Whyte vs Rich Energy saga - as a photo is now doing the rounds of Rich Energy Haas F1 driver Romain Grosjean riding... a WHYTE mountain bike! Awkward...  

 

11 June 2019, 08:31
And continuing the Twitter madness...

...Alex Dowsett, the Katusha-Alpecin pro cyclist has been casually schooling a disgruntled motorist on Twitter who got rather upset at having to pass a small group of riders who were riding two abreast.

It seems that the issue with this photo is that by sitting just off the wheel in front, which is a sensible group ride safety measure, the group appears to be 3 abreast in places. So, should we all be religiously sticking to the wheel in front of us?

11 June 2019, 07:40
Whyte Bikes still locked in bizarre online battle of words with energy drink brand, who were sued for copying the Whyte logo

For some context to the above, energy drink brand and sponsor of the Haas F1 team Rich Energy burst onto the scene with a logo that looked remarkably similar to the distinctive antler logo used by Whyte Bikes - Whyte noticed, and so took Rich Energy to court a couple of months ago and won quite convincingly. The judge said: "I am satisfied on the balance of probabilities that both Mr Kelly and Mr Storey (Rich Energy's CEO and web designer respectively) have lied about not being familiar with Whyte’s logo. I find it more likely than not that they were familiar with it, and that they directly and knowingly copied it."

Case closed? It appears not, as Rich Energy continue to use the logo and make childish swipes on social media. Whyte couldn't help but do some trolling of their own, placing their logo on a Mercedes F1 poster - to which Rich Energy's social media person clearly didn't get the joke, bizarrely saying in their Tweet above: we are actually investing money in F1 while you are investing zero". 

The brand are still getting something of a pasting in the comments, we've picked some of the best for you below. Anyone actually ever seen a can of Rich Energy in a shop, by the way?

11 June 2019, 07:35
Why not?

Just a shame about the congestion around them!

Arriving at road.cc in 2017 via 220 Triathlon Magazine, Jack dipped his toe in most jobs on the site and over at eBikeTips before being named the new editor of road.cc in 2020, much to his surprise. His cycling life began during his students days, when he cobbled together a few hundred quid off the back of a hard winter selling hats (long story) and bought his first road bike - a Trek 1.1 that was quickly relegated to winter steed, before it was sadly pinched a few years later. Creatively replacing it with a Trek 1.2, Jack mostly rides this bike around local cycle paths nowadays, but when he wants to get the racer out and be competitive his preferred events are time trials, sportives, triathlons and pogo sticking - the latter being another long story.  

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burtthebike | 4 years ago
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The Plymouth Herald article is a rather wandering dissection of the bikes vs cars argument, but entertaining and worth a read.  It seems it acheived its aim, to get lots of replies and clicks, and expose some of the more anti-cyclist posters.

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Judge dreadful | 4 years ago
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That van pass in N.I. was just beyond belief. Now that, is a close pass worthy of the term. I can’t believe the cyclist didn’t get decked by the side draught. 

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giff77 replied to Judge dreadful | 4 years ago
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Judge dreadful wrote:

That van pass in N.I. was just beyond belief. Now that, is a close pass worthy of the term. I can’t believe the cyclist didn’t get decked by the side draught. 

the incident occurred in the Munster region. The opposite part of Ireland to where NI is!

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/close-pass-driver-cyclist-convic...

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Redvee | 4 years ago
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I had a look at Rich Energy timeline this morning after seeing a tweet from Jason Plato and couldn't see anything untoward then read this article and it all came clear. Some of the replies her are good.

https://twitter.com/jasonplato/status/1138400317945602048

 

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CygnusX1 | 4 years ago
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Incredible restraint and patience from the cyclist in the close pass video.

I found myself thinking "just fuck off" at the Merc driver just a few minutes in, but it wasn't until 13 minutes when the cyclist in a somewhat exasperated voice resorted to a still reasonably polite "Would you please just fuck off".

Chapeau, sir! 

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ex_terra | 4 years ago
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The dick in the Mercedes has form - there’s another close pass video with the same car.

The police need to have a word, or better still find a reason to seize his car and crush it before he kills someone.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=62FVyFwP64k

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OnYerBike replied to ex_terra | 4 years ago
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ex_terra wrote:

The dick in the Mercedes has form - there’s another close pass video with the same car. The police need to have a word, or better still find a reason to seize his car and crush it before he kills someone. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=62FVyFwP64k

Don't hold your breath - both filmed in Cambridge where the police seem more interested in prosecuting cyclists than protecting them.

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KINGHORN replied to OnYerBike | 4 years ago
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OnYerBike wrote:

ex_terra wrote:

The dick in the Mercedes has form - there’s another close pass video with the same car. The police need to have a word, or better still find a reason to seize his car and crush it before he kills someone. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=62FVyFwP64k

Don't hold your breath - both filmed in Cambridge where the police seem more interested in prosecuting cyclists than protecting them.

Had two convictions in Cambridge, both were bus drivers!

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ktache | 4 years ago
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The lady in Plymouth who foolishly used her horn and shouted at the group of youths on bikes, and was treated to "unexpected" abuse, don't.  There is only one thing to do, nod in approval, declare "Skillz" to the best wheelie, and wish you were that young and fearless.

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Stuk | 4 years ago
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It never fails to astound me how many people are so lacking in self awareness that they will cause an obstruction (on double yellow lines in this case) to rant at someone that they perceive is causing an obstruction.

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CXR94Di2 | 4 years ago
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What an absolute C*** the driver. Plenty of evidence of using car as a weapon. Then when he realised he had no coherent argument, waffles

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kil0ran replied to CXR94Di2 | 4 years ago
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CXR94Di2 wrote:

What an absolute C*** the driver. Plenty of evidence of using car as a weapon. Then when he realised he had no coherent argument, waffles

Guarantee he pays more road tax than the cyclist, so clearly he's entitled. Classic BCSD material.

It's these sorts of situations where nice sharp titanium cleats come in useful. Or a D-lock (just make sure you twat the car rather than the twat, that way it's just an insurance job)

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alansmurphy | 4 years ago
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That MerceBMW would have had a big scratch and/dent down the side of it if he'd driven it at me like that!

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Simon E | 4 years ago
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He had a tendency to make impressive statements, which on further investigation or consideration were not quite what they seemed.

Most people describe this as lying.

And easily shown to be lies. Wow, he must be really stupid!

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brooksby replied to Simon E | 4 years ago
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Simon E wrote:

He had a tendency to make impressive statements, which on further investigation or consideration were not quite what they seemed.

Most people describe this as lying.

And easily shown to be lies. Wow, he must be really stupid!

My favourite bit is

Mr Wyand ... put to him that he had been quoted in the press in February 2019 as saying that the First Defendant had produced 90 million cans [and] Mr Storey explained that it had produced 90 million cans, but had not yet filled and sold them.

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gazpacho | 4 years ago
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I was once told by a motorist not to ride 2 abreast.

I was on my own.

True story.

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snook86 | 4 years ago
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Interesting delve into who Rich Energy are "The further people went down the rabbit hole on Rich Energy, the weirder things got. America’s F1 team might just be partnered with a company without the means to sponsor it, fueled by a flipped Zimbabwean tobacco farm and investments from a soft-core porn billionaire. It’s charming, in the context of Rich Energy’s brand." - https://jalopnik.com/what-you-find-when-you-look-into-rich-energy-the-my...

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PRSboy | 4 years ago
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For the record, its not a BMW in the close-pass sweary bloke video, its a Mercedes (CLS63 AMG, just the ticket for urban use with its 6.3 litre V8... it does sound good though)

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Master Bean replied to PRSboy | 4 years ago
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PRSboy wrote:

For the record, its not a BMW in the close-pass sweary bloke video, its a Mercedes (CLS63 AMG, just the ticket for urban use with its 6.3 litre V8... it does sound good though)

It's a 6.2 litre. Oh and this is the slightly newer model with the twin turbo 5.5 V8.

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PRSboy replied to Master Bean | 4 years ago
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Master Bean wrote:
PRSboy wrote:

For the record, its not a BMW in the close-pass sweary bloke video, its a Mercedes (CLS63 AMG, just the ticket for urban use with its 6.3 litre V8... it does sound good though)

It's a 6.2 litre. Oh and this is the slightly newer model with the twin turbo 5.5 V8.

You're right... I do like them, shame that one is being driven by a nitwit!

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bikeman01 | 4 years ago
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Close pass BMW driver...

It's actually a Mercedes!

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jh27 replied to bikeman01 | 4 years ago
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bikeman01 wrote:

Close pass BMW driver...

It's actually a Mercedes!

 

You can take the driver out of the BMW, but you can't take the BMW out of the driver.

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mrml | 4 years ago
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I just read the High Court judgement - interesting reading (for an IP attorney at least).   Her Honour was not particular enamoured:

 

"Conversely, I found both Mr Storey and Mr Kelly to be poor witnesses.

Mr Storey provided different and inconsistent accounts of the development of D1’s Device, which also conflicted to a large extent with the evidence of Mr Kelly. He often did not answer questions directly, preferring to make speeches about his vision for his business or alternatively seeking to evade questions by speaking in generalities or in the third person plural. He only answered several questions when I intervened. He had a tendency to make impressive statements, which on further investigation or consideration were not quite what they seemed. For example, when Mr Wyand in cross-examination tried to understand his evidence about the sales figures of Rich Energy drinks, and put to him that he had been quoted in the press in February 2019 as saying that the First Defendant had produced 90 million cans, Mr Storey explained that it had produced 90 million cans, but had not yet filled and sold them. He said he would have to check the figures, but in 2018 he thought the First Defendant had filled and sold “circa 3 million cans” of Rich Energy drink. In another example, he stated in an impassioned fashion that he was “not in the business of trying to create a world-class business by taking any inspiration from anybody else whatsoever”, but his own written evidence was that his starting point when thinking about developing a logo was to carry out logo research on what other drinks companies were doing, and to carrying out internet searches on stag head logos used by other companies. For reasons which I set out below, I am satisfied that some of Mr Storey’s evidence was incorrect or misleading and that he was involved in the manufacture of documents during the course of litigation to provide additional support for the Defendants’ case."

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brooksby | 4 years ago
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So the BMW's registration plate ends with WTF?     

Another perfect example of someone who's in such a hurry that they're willing to stop, block another road user, and rant at them for a quarter hour...  Honestly.

Very impressed with the cyclist's responses, though - not losing it or shouting back, and lots of "Sir"s (they like that yes).

Excellent.

 

(That said - I probably would have had my lights on  )

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quiff replied to brooksby | 4 years ago
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brooksby wrote:

Another perfect example of someone who's in such a hurry that they're willing to stop, block another road user, and rant at them for a quarter hour...  Honestly.

I once had a similar discussion with a minicab driver who close passed me only to park up and sit in his car for a break literally 100 yards up the road. 10 minutes later he was regretting the 10 seconds he thought he was saving by squeezing past.

On the Rich Energy 'story', they are imploding in real time on twitter. Not satisfied with attacking Whyte, they now seem somehow to have attacked Chris Harris (off of Top Gear) just to endear themselves to some people who might be a bit closer to F1.    

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peted76 | 4 years ago
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Can't see 'Rich Energy' getting many fans after that twitter rant..  I sort of felt a bit sorry for them, until I realised the owner of rich energy is just some privileged investor type who's ploughed some money into a company so he can get in the pits and buy some cool friends, sad.  Good riddance @rich_energy 

 

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Simon E replied to peted76 | 4 years ago
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peted76 wrote:

Can't see 'Rich Energy' getting many fans after that twitter rant..  I sort of felt a bit sorry for them, until I realised the owner of rich energy is just some privileged investor type who's ploughed some money into a company so he can get in the pits and buy some cool friends, sad.  Good riddance @rich_energy

What a tosser! Not sure why you'd feel sorry for them infringing Whyte's IP rights.

A perfect example of the adage (by Mark Twain, I believe):

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt”

Glad to see they're getting a pasting on twitter.

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kil0ran | 4 years ago
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In due course you have to feel that there's going to be insufficient popcorn in the world for that Rich Energy/Whyte story

Don't know if it's faked but there's also a pic of Romain Grosjean (Haas/Rich Energy driver) on a well-abused Whyte bike in that twitter thread. Awks

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kil0ran | 4 years ago
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I'm always wary of people who stick their qualifications in their twitter handles or email sigs. Yeah, I get they're probably Really Proud and all but is it really that relevant?

As to the question abreast means "side by side and facing the same way"

I take that to mean riding torso to torso, so perfectly reasonable to be echeloned out a bit

And in that particular case we don't know whether the outermost rider is going through and off.

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Jetmans Dad replied to kil0ran | 4 years ago
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kil0ran wrote:

I'm always wary of people who stick their qualifications in their twitter handles or email sigs. Yeah, I get they're probably Really Proud and all but is it really that relevant?

Was going to comment exactly the same thing, but you beat me to it in the time it took to log in. I don't even use mine on my formal work-related correspondence (unless I know the recipient will be impressed (job application) or intimidated (overbearing parent - I'm a teacher) by it).

At the current count I could use up to 13 letters after my name, but in practice I use none. Why? It is of zero relevance to anyone but me, except on the rare occasions I have to evidence my expertise in something.  

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