'Cyclops' junction to be introduced in Manchester is 'genius' says Chris Boardman

CygnusX1 wrote:

mpdouglas wrote:

Xena has a point! Just look at how you would go straight on in the second picture, if you were approaching from the same position as the silver car. I can't even see half of what is planned on the green cycle path because it's out of shot, but I can see 3 zebra crossings and one give way, and it would seem a set of traffic lights to cross the side road on the left. If these start getting introduced widely, there will be utter chaos, with cyclists that refuse to obey any signals whatsoever, pedestrians/dogs etc wandering all over the place. I'll stick to behaving like a car and ride straight through on the main traffic lights, thank you very much! And if you do get side swiped by an impatient car as you cross that sideroad, it will be vicious because it will be at 90 degrees and at speed!

The point is. if you want to go straight on and you're a confident cyclist you can - just stay in the main lane as you suggest.

Those who are currently too scared to cycle because of having to negotiate busy junctions can follow the yellow brick.. erm, sorry ... follow the green cyle lane instead.

The recently revamped Highbury Corner in London has a similar arrangement, though it's not directly comparable because they have converted what was previously a roundabout / gyratory into two-way traffic. They closed one 'side' of the old gyratory and installed new segregated cycle track around the inner and outer edges. The new track is great (I imagine) for inexperienced riders, and I've taken to using it because it's a bit more pleasant being separated from cars (even though I never found the old roundabout dangerous). The downside is that going what would have been all the way round the old roundabout (something which was one phase manouvre when it was a rounabout, and still is for cars) is two or three phases on the bike track (depending on light timings, which I think are dynamic according to demand). Cyclists can now sit at one of the sets of lights for up to 2 mins, and many get fed up and cross regardless. So good for less experienced / confident cyclist; less convenient for seasoned roadies (who can stay with the cars, but probably get abused for not using the expensive infra). 

quiff wrote:

The recently revamped Highbury Corner in London ...

...is an example of a place where I routinely avoid the bike path and am regularly berated by angry drivers who want me to gerrinthefackinbikelane.

Xena wrote:

It looks a fucking mess . Learn how to negotiate roads and this shit fest of streets and roads would not be needed. If you can’t negotiate roads then keep your  bike off the roads and walk or take a bus , always pandering to incapable people.  What next a lane for the alphabet people  they have a crossing in Dallas already . ,,,,fuck me . I could ride my bike safely on the roads when I was 10 years old . It just causes more chaos  .Some drivers will be totally confused.. a fucking mess. 

You do know we're trying to get *more* people cycling yeah?

It looks a fucking mess . Learn how to negotiate roads and this shit fest of streets and roads would not be needed. If you can’t negotiate roads then keep your  bike off the roads and walk or take a bus , always pandering to incapable people.  What next a lane for the alphabet people  they have a crossing in Dallas already . ,,,,fuck me . I could ride my bike safely on the roads when I was 10 years old . It just causes more chaos  .Some drivers will be totally confused.. a fucking mess. 

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<p>[quote=Xena wrote:

It looks a fucking mess . Learn how to negotiate roads and this shit fest of streets and roads would not be needed. If you can’t negotiate roads then keep your  bike off the roads and walk or take a bus , always pandering to incapable people.  What next a lane for the alphabet people  they have a crossing in Dallas already . ,,,,fuck me . I could ride my bike safely on the roads when I was 10 years old . It just causes more chaos  .Some drivers will be totally confused.. a fucking mess. 

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A Leave voter? 

I'm a leave voter, there's simply no need to introduce that shit into this conversation!

I think it looks an absolute mess, it's overly complex, you're asking people on bikes to have to make maassively more decisions than normal, including children, the not so young and sometimes people maybe with not 100% decision making faculties. It's often tough enough even for the experienced, alert and fit rider so for me it's rubbish, still panders to the motorist and should be a simple solution. Move the motors completely off the network except for public transport, priority crossing everywhere. 

That makes it easy, safe and wide - this isn't designed for mass cycling, it's not safe IMHO and it's simply over complex and more time consuming for people on bikes.

Narrow minded/limited thinking, if we want 26% modal share as per the Dutch/Danes then this is a lillion miles away from achieving that!

Measure twice cut once!

Well, the thing is Xenas comment is just the kind of ill informed, reactionary and extreme comment we’ve become used to in the Brexit debate so it’s not a million miles off the mark. This type of junction isn’t dissimilar to those I’ve seen in Seville, Bilbao, Antwerp and various Dutch towns, where they have had them for years and years. They are used by ALL cyclists for their proposed purpose - that is helping people move around safely and reasonably quickly. The UKs problem is attitudes - until the us and them conundrum is resolved, there will be cyclists v motorists and Remainers v Leavers. The two things have the same core causes at heart - seeing the differences in people, separatism and antagonism - and they both provide ample demonstration of how f@@ked up UK society is.

BehindTheBikesheds]</p>

<p>[quote=Plasterer's Radio wrote:

Xena wrote:

It looks a fucking mess . Learn how to negotiate roads and this shit fest of streets and roads would not be needed. If you can’t negotiate roads then keep your  bike off the roads and walk or take a bus , always pandering to incapable people.  What next a lane for the alphabet people  they have a crossing in Dallas already . ,,,,fuck me . I could ride my bike safely on the roads when I was 10 years old . It just causes more chaos  .Some drivers will be totally confused.. a fucking mess. 

[/quote

A Leave voter? 

I'm a leave voter, there's simply no need to introduce that shit into this conversation!

I think it looks an absolute mess, it's overly complex, you're asking people on bikes to have to make maassively more decisions than normal, including children, the not so young and sometimes people maybe with not 100% decision making faculties. It's often tough enough even for the experienced, alert and fit rider so for me it's rubbish, still panders to the motorist and should be a simple solution. Move the motors completely off the network except for public transport, priority crossing everywhere. 

That makes it easy, safe and wide - this isn't designed for mass cycling, it's not safe IMHO and it's simply over complex and more time consuming for people on bikes.

Narrow minded/limited thinking, if we want 26% modal share as per the Dutch/Danes then this is a lillion miles away from achieving that!

Measure twice cut once!

Well, the thing is Xenas comment is just the kind of ill informed, reactionary and extreme comment we’ve become used to in the Brexit debate so it’s not a million miles off the mark. This type of junction isn’t dissimilar to those I’ve seen in Seville, Bilbao, Antwerp and various Dutch towns, where they have had them for years and years. They are used by ALL cyclists for their proposed purpose - that is helping people move around safely and reasonably quickly. The UKs problem is attitudes - until the us and them conundrum is resolved, there will be cyclists v motorists and Remainers v Leavers. The two things have the same core causes at heart - seeing the differences in people, separatism and antagonism - and they both provide ample demonstration of how f@@ked up UK society is.

BehindTheBikesheds]</p>

<p>[quote=Plasterer's Radio wrote:

Xena wrote:

It looks a fucking mess . Learn how to negotiate roads and this shit fest of streets and roads would not be needed. If you can’t negotiate roads then keep your  bike off the roads and walk or take a bus , always pandering to incapable people.  What next a lane for the alphabet people  they have a crossing in Dallas already . ,,,,fuck me . I could ride my bike safely on the roads when I was 10 years old . It just causes more chaos  .Some drivers will be totally confused.. a fucking mess. 

[/quote

A Leave voter? 

I'm a leave voter, there's simply no need to introduce that shit into this conversation!

I think it looks an absolute mess, it's overly complex, you're asking people on bikes to have to make maassively more decisions than normal, including children, the not so young and sometimes people maybe with not 100% decision making faculties. It's often tough enough even for the experienced, alert and fit rider so for me it's rubbish, still panders to the motorist and should be a simple solution. Move the motors completely off the network except for public transport, priority crossing everywhere. 

That makes it easy, safe and wide - this isn't designed for mass cycling, it's not safe IMHO and it's simply over complex and more time consuming for people on bikes.

Narrow minded/limited thinking, if we want 26% modal share as per the Dutch/Danes then this is a lillion miles away from achieving that!

Measure twice cut once!

Plasterer's Radio]</p>

<p>[quote=Xena wrote:

It looks a fucking mess . Learn how to negotiate roads and this shit fest of streets and roads would not be needed. If you can’t negotiate roads then keep your  bike off the roads and walk or take a bus , always pandering to incapable people.  What next a lane for the alphabet people  they have a crossing in Dallas already . ,,,,fuck me . I could ride my bike safely on the roads when I was 10 years old . It just causes more chaos  .Some drivers will be totally confused.. a fucking mess. 

[/quote

A Leave voter? 

i don’t give fuck  ,  politics is BS.  Government has done nothing for no one except take away your rights and find more ways to tax you and get your money unlike the rich who don’t even pay any fucking tax “ assets “  go check something called the Panama papers. Then you will see why Cameron called a referendum. To save his and his mates trillions of pounds of wealth and over seas assets after the EU were threatening to look into , timing was perfect . 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-panama-papers-six-key-takeaways/

 your a MSM bitch who does not think for himself.  

 . The world is for everyone. The main reason we get mass immigration is when  the  US  and allies “ cunts I call them “ go round bombing the shit out of country’s or doing political or economic coups like what’s happening in Venezuela right now  and cause all these fucking issues .

if instead of bombing the shit out of country’s like Syria  we acted like human beings who care then the world would be a better place and people would not want to move all over the place because they have a nice life with good health care and housing . But  these warmongering lunatics think they can steel the  resources of these county’s like it’s a given right and fuck the thousands of mums ,dads, and children who get killed because “ they want “. So don’t talk to me about leaving Europe etc it means fuck all , and won’t make a blind bit of difference to your fucking life . The fucking MP’s don’t even know what they are doing .   In the last 2 years I’ve been to Lucca Italy , Nice ,france. Barcelona, spain. I’d like to think I can live anywhere I’d want to and that should be the same for everyone. 

so go fuck your bullshit fake politics...and be sure you know what your talking about next time you open your mouth . Moron .

Xena]</p>

<p>[quote=Plasterer's Radio wrote:

Xena wrote:

It looks a fucking mess . Learn how to negotiate roads and this shit fest of streets and roads would not be needed. If you can’t negotiate roads then keep your  bike off the roads and walk or take a bus , always pandering to incapable people.  What next a lane for the alphabet people  they have a crossing in Dallas already . ,,,,fuck me . I could ride my bike safely on the roads when I was 10 years old . It just causes more chaos  .Some drivers will be totally confused.. a fucking mess. 

[/quote

A Leave voter? 

i don’t give fuck  ,  politics is BS.  Government has done nothing for no one except take away your rights and find more ways to tax you and get your money unlike the rich who don’t even pay any fucking tax “ assets “  go check something called the Panama papers. Then you will see why Cameron called a referendum. To save his and his mates trillions of pounds of wealth and over seas assets after the EU were threatening to look into , timing was perfect . 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-panama-papers-six-key-takeaways/

 your a MSM bitch who does not think for himself.  

 . The world is for everyone. The main reason we get mass immigration is when  the  US  and allies “ cunts I call them “ go round bombing the shit out of country’s or doing political or economic coups like what’s happening in Venezuela right now  and cause all these fucking issues .

if instead of bombing the shit out of country’s like Syria  we acted like human beings who care then the world would be a better place and people would not want to move all over the place because they have a nice life with good health care and housing . But  these warmongering lunatics think they can steel the  resources of these county’s like it’s a given right and fuck the thousands of mums ,dads, and children who get killed because “ they want “. So don’t talk to me about leaving Europe etc it means fuck all , and won’t make a blind bit of difference to your fucking life . The fucking MP’s don’t even know what they are doing .   In the last 2 years I’ve been to Lucca Italy , Nice ,france. Barcelona, spain. I’d like to think I can live anywhere I’d want to and that should be the same for everyone. 

so go fuck your bullshit fake politics...and be sure you know what your talking about next time you open your mouth . Moron .

 

 

 

Thanks for proving my point so well. #keyboardninja

Plasterer's Radio]</p>

<p>[quote=Xena wrote:

Plasterer's Radio wrote:

Xena wrote:

It looks a fucking mess . Learn how to negotiate roads and this shit fest of streets and roads would not be needed. If you can’t negotiate roads then keep your  bike off the roads and walk or take a bus , always pandering to incapable people.  What next a lane for the alphabet people  they have a crossing in Dallas already . ,,,,fuck me . I could ride my bike safely on the roads when I was 10 years old . It just causes more chaos  .Some drivers will be totally confused.. a fucking mess. 

[/quote

A Leave voter? 

i don’t give fuck  ,  politics is BS.  Government has done nothing for no one except take away your rights and find more ways to tax you and get your money unlike the rich who don’t even pay any fucking tax “ assets “  go check something called the Panama papers. Then you will see why Cameron called a referendum. To save his and his mates trillions of pounds of wealth and over seas assets after the EU were threatening to look into , timing was perfect . 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-panama-papers-six-key-takeaways/

 your a MSM bitch who does not think for himself.  

 . The world is for everyone. The main reason we get mass immigration is when  the  US  and allies “ cunts I call them “ go round bombing the shit out of country’s or doing political or economic coups like what’s happening in Venezuela right now  and cause all these fucking issues .

if instead of bombing the shit out of country’s like Syria  we acted like human beings who care then the world would be a better place and people would not want to move all over the place because they have a nice life with good health care and housing . But  these warmongering lunatics think they can steel the  resources of these county’s like it’s a given right and fuck the thousands of mums ,dads, and children who get killed because “ they want “. So don’t talk to me about leaving Europe etc it means fuck all , and won’t make a blind bit of difference to your fucking life . The fucking MP’s don’t even know what they are doing .   In the last 2 years I’ve been to Lucca Italy , Nice ,france. Barcelona, spain. I’d like to think I can live anywhere I’d want to and that should be the same for everyone. 

so go fuck your bullshit fake politics...and be sure you know what your talking about next time you open your mouth . Moron .

 

 

 

Thanks for proving my point so well. #keyboardninja

.  

Clarify “ EVERY human being in my opinion should have the right to live wherever they want ,anywhere no boarders no facial recognition cameras at airports . None of this over the top bullshit .......any fucking where . Understand . 

Here is a lesson in real life for you . Did you vote to bomb Syria?  did you vote to invade Iraq? Did you vote to bomb Afghanistan? Did you vote for sanctions against country’s of the world ?

no you fucking did not. Because the government do what they want anyway . Did you vote for the cuts to the  health service?. Did you vote to give the MP’s a raise ? Did you vote to let the richest companies not pay tax  and give those companies all the help they need so they can carry on making huge profits for their shareholders.? are you a shareholder? Did you vote to give  one of the richest families in the world with billions of pounds of assets your tax money ? 

The government do what the fuck they want,,, if you want to play their games and think what you’re doing is important then you Can be their bitch . Enjoy your BBC and question time because in reality it’s all just a lot of self important people who think they  know better doing nothing in reality to make a our world better. These mathura fuckers create the problems ,these mathura fuckers then come up with a solution that’s just keeps lining their pockets and gives them more power ...wake the fuck up stop watching the MSM news and twitter  and understand what’s really going on “ Panama papers for instance is just one of many  things that gets tucked away .

Xena wrote:

It looks a fucking mess . Learn how to negotiate roads and this shit fest of streets and roads would not be needed. If you can’t negotiate roads then keep your  bike off the roads and walk or take a bus , always pandering to incapable people.  What next a lane for the alphabet people  they have a crossing in Dallas already . ,,,,fuck me . I could ride my bike safely on the roads when I was 10 years old . It just causes more chaos  .Some drivers will be totally confused.. a fucking mess. 

This doesnt appear to translate well from Russia, or you sir are an idiot!!!!