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“Hey Sainsbury’s, what kind of hell is this?” Cyclist slams supermarket’s “impossible” new cycle parking; Lime bikes ban backlash; Wiggins back on his bike for first time in 3 years; Council throws party for unfinished cycle lane + more on the live blog

It’s Tuesday, the sun’s out, and Ryan Mallon’s back with your daily helping of cycling news, views, and general silliness on the live blog

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17 September 2024, 11:36
“Hey Sainsbury’s, what kind of hell is this?” Supermarket unveils latest daft cycle parking idea

Another fine example of the convoluted, inconvenient, and often downright weird approach to cycle parking displayed by supermarkets across the UK, this time courtesy of Sainsbury’s in Alder Hills, Dorset:

Sainsbury's bike parking stand, Alder Hills, Dorset (Ade Chapmanlaw)

Oh dear...

“Hey Sainsbury’s, what kind of hell is this?” local councillor Ade Chapmanlaw posted on Twitter alongside the shop’s latest experimental take on cycle parking.

“Difficult to move the bike into, impossible to secure the bike to it safely. The only good thing is the shelter. Please replace with Sheffield stands as soon as possible.”

While Olympic-level strength and Luke Littler-style precision is necessary to park your bike to go shopping in Alder Hills, I suppose it’s better than no cycle storage at all, or having all the Sheffield Stands blocked by stacks and stacks of compost?

17 September 2024, 08:09
Lime e-bike
“Can we do something about the problem of dockless car parking?” Cycling campaigners blast calls to ban Lime bikes from councils “that have done nothing on active travel for years”, as locals say hire bikes should be “crushed” amid parking concerns

So, Lime Bikes are back in the news, it seems.

Last week, we reported that Muhammed Butt, the leader of Brent Council, appeared on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme to complain that the green hire bikes, and the American company’s dockless parking system, were causing a “nuisance” in the London borough, and were “just being dumped on the streets, parks, rivers and canals, outside the high streets”.

> “Banning bikes won’t help anyone”: Lime Bikes responds to London council leader trying to get rid of “annoying” hire bikes causing a “nuisance” in his borough

“They’re just sort of being left there with no care and attention. Lime do need to take some responsibility because it’s their users who are causing that nuisance,” Butt told Today presenter Amol Rajan.

However, the Labour-controlled council leader’s comments about “inconsiderately parked” and “abandoned” Lime bikes – rather inevitably – invited a few of Brent’s residents to post videos on social media of the borough’s pavements being blocked and used as a dump by a lot more than green e-bikes:

Nevertheless, Butt has doubled down on his criticism of Lime’s hire scheme, issuing an ultimatum this week that all 750 of the US-based operator’s bikes in the borough will be removed by 31 October unless requests for improved safety measures are acted upon.

As part of their ultimatum, Brent Council is calling for the introduction of dedicated Lime Bike parking bays and ‘no parking zones’ (which the local authority says would align with Transport for London’s planned e-mobility contract for 2026 and are already applied in 10 other London boroughs), resources for the council to removed abandoned bikes, and for Lime to increase the £10 in-app fine for users who fail to park their bikes correctly, neatly to the side of the footpath or in a parking bay.

“Lime bikes left scattered across our streets are causing havoc for other road users, especially for pedestrians and disabled people,” Butt said in a very pun-heavy statement yesterday.

“Residents have gone sour on Lime, and the council is receiving repeated, regular complaints about the bikes left across paths and roads in a haphazard way.

“This is putting unsustainable pressure on council staff who are spending time cleaning up after Lime. Something needs to change as the current situation is unsustainable and leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

“To date, Lime has not satisfied our proposals, which we consider vital to ensuring the safe and efficient operation of the scheme in Brent. Unless Lime changes the way it works with us, we are out of road for its activities in Brent.”

Female cyclist in London on Lime hire bike - copyright Simon MacMichael

> Is a common contract for London e-bike and e-scooter share schemes on the way?

Butt’s Halloween deadline for Lime has appeared to have been welcomed by some Brent residents, with 86-year-old Pat telling the Guardian that she wants the ubiquitous green bikes “rounded up and crushed”.

Life’s bad enough when you’re getting older and you’re not very steady on your feet without these bikes in your way. Good riddance,” she said.

“People just dump them with no consideration. People don’t think of other people,” added florist Heidi.

Meanwhile, Lime user Jude was also ambivalent about the scheme’s overall impact on the local community, telling the newspaper: “It’s convenient having them on the pavement but it’s a health and safety thing. In the morning they’re pretty much everywhere.”

Lime bikes Hounslow (@DynamacRtm/Twitter)

> Lime hire scheme under fire as residents claim e-bikes "deliberately" left in "dangerous places"

However, cycling campaigners in the capital have been scathingly critical of Butt’s attack on Lime Bikes – which they believe comes from a council that has done little to make cycling easier in the borough.

“Dockless cycle hire is opening up cycling to more and more diverse Londoners,” the London Cycling Campaign said in response to Butt’s statement.

“Councils that have done nothing on active travel for years shouldn’t ‘ban’ bikes, but work with operators who offer funding for appropriately-placed parking.”

“Dockless cycling is an integral part of moving away from an overly car reliant transport system in the suburbs,” added Tom Houston on Twitter.

“The short sightedness of this man’s position is ridiculous.”

Female commuter cyclist on Lime hire bike -copyright Simon MacMichael

“They’ve given me so much independence, especially seeing as TfL don’t have the money/will to expand the docked cycle hire scheme,” added Chris.

Meanwhile, Kate argued that, if Lime parking bays are to become mandatory in Brent, “we should make sure that this parking replaces car parking – not pedestrian and parklet space”.

“Can we do something about the problem of dockless car parking?” asked Chris, who wasn’t alone in questioning the discrepancy between attitudes towards car and cycle parking, illegal or otherwise.

“Southside shopping centre in Wandsworth, has car parking capacity for well over 2,000 cars. There are probably bike hoops for approximately 40 bikes. And there are complaints that bikes are left on the pavement,” said Matt.

Echoing the LCC’s stance, another user said: “The lack of infrastructure to make cycling safer is noticeable in Brent, along with generally very poor driving standards.”

Lime bike on a pavement (Unsplash)

> Lime contractor tracked seized e-bikes to council lock-up and took them back

Responding to Brent Council’s ultimatum, a Lime spokesperson said that the company wants to work with the local authority to address its concerns.

“We are proud to have worked with our partner councils over the last six years to build a safe and reliable shared e-bike service across London,” the spokesperson said. “Local residents in Brent and across the capital use our bikes for essential journeys every day, with 11.5 million commuting trips already taken this year.

“We recognise that a small proportion of e-bikes are obstructing pavements and busy junctions, creating difficulties for those with access needs, and we understand the importance of keeping our pavements safe for all,” Lime told The Independent.

Lime also said that, due to Brent Council currently having just 10 pilot e-bike parking locations across the borough, it is “not possible to enforce mandatory parking rules”.

17 September 2024, 15:36
Bradley Wiggins and Mark Cavendish, 2012 Tour de France
Brad’s back on his bike! Wiggins says he’s “a little bit nervous” as he gets ready to cycle for the first time “in nearly three years” during 50-mile meet and greet ride

After almost three years off the bike Sir Bradley Wiggins admits he’s a “little bit nervous”, as the 2012 Tour de France winner prepares to dust off his cycling shoes for a meet and greet 50-mile ride at the end of the month.

Last December, Wiggins revealed in an interview for a BBC documentary series on imposter syndrome that he had given up riding his bike “because I don’t like the person I became when I was on it”.

2022 Bradley Wiggins pic Gareth Winter - 1.jpeg

> Sir Bradley Wiggins: “I don’t ride a bike anymore because I don’t like the person I became when I was on it”

However, in an Instagram message posted last night, the five-time Olympic gold medallist announced that he will be taking part in a 50-mile leisure ride through Staffordshire on 29 September.

The ‘Ride with Wiggins’ event, organised by cycle shop Pau, will start and finish at Stafford’s Sandon Hall, and offers two route options (one which provides some off-road sections for gravel lovers) while giving fans of all things British cycling in the early 2010s the opportunity to ride with Britain’s first male Tour winner, as well as Wiggo’s former Sky teammate and Tour of Ireland winner Russ Downing.

“And don’t worry, you won’t be fighting to keep up with the Tour de France champ,” the organisers say.” Bradley Wiggins will be taking it easy and working his way around the group for a chat and to share a bit of banter along the way.”

Which is a caveat 44-year-old Wiggins – with three years’ worth of cobwebs to blow away – will no doubt have welcomed, as he admitted in a video promoting the event that he’s feeling the nerves ahead of his first batch of miles for quite a while.

“I’m getting back on my bicycle again,” he said in the video. “There are going to be some other stars there, Russell Downing is riding.

“So it’ll be good – the first time in nearly three years for me getting back on a bike, and I’m looking forward to it.

“Little bit nervous whether I’ll get round the whole thing. I think I will, I’m in pretty good shape at the moment. I'm looking forward to it. I hope to see as many of you there as possible.”

The leisure ride through Staffordshire marks another step in Wiggins’ tentative return to the cycling world, after a turbulent year marked by financial troubles, and follows in the wake of his much-discussed guest star role on Lance Armstrong’s The Move podcast and his appearance at this month’s Tour of Britain, supporting his 19-year-old son Ben.

Bradley Wiggins, Lance Armstrong, and George Hincapie (Liz Kreutz)

> “I was getting ripped off left, right, and centre by the people looking after me”: Bradley Wiggins slams “sofa surfing” reports as “sensationalism” and explains bankruptcy “mess” in candid Lance Armstrong interview

Back in December, Wiggins opened up about his decision to quit cycling for leisure three years ago as part of ‘Imposter Syndrome’, a six-part BBC documentary series that also delved into his complex and often bitter relationship with his father, track cyclist Garry and his decision to craft a public persona to deal with the increased fame and pressure that followed his remarkable 2012 season.

“I don’t ride a bike anymore because I don’t like the person I became when I was on it,” Wiggins told Rob Adcock during the revealing interview.

“I can’t imagine achieving anything like that now in a sports perspective because I’m not the same person I was. I’ve grown now. I have all the answers. That all stems from my sporting career and greatness stems from an oddness about me which wasn’t resolved from childhood.

“I was the most confident bike rider when I was on it. But step off the bike and I had to step back as Bradley Wiggins, because the bike was where I was most comfortable and gave me all my confidence in my life.”

17 September 2024, 08:53
B4063 project (Google Maps)
“I was amazed to be informed that there was an event to celebrate the completion of the cycle path, mainly because it has not been completed!” Council postpones planned bike lane party as infra’s “abysmal” rollout and “premature self-celebration” slammed

Over the years on the live blog, we’ve seen plenty of local authorities pat themselves on the back and wax lyrical over cycling and active travel infrastructure that is, to put it mildly, below the standards you might expect.

However, we rarely see councils organise parties to celebrate the opening of a bike lane that hasn’t even been finished yet.

But that’s the bizarre situation that has unfolded in Churchdown, where Gloucestershire County Council had arranged for an event – complete with light refreshments, we’re told – to mark the completion of the latest stretch of the Gloucestershire Cycle Spine (you remember, the ambitious 26-mile-long infrastructure project that will provide traffic-free links across the county – but which was also the subject of “unfounded” and “completely untrue” rumours that it was too wide and had made the B4063 too narrow for vehicles to pass. Yes, that one).

> Council that rubbished "completely untrue" claims about controversial cycle lane being too wide set to begin work on next section

However, with persistent problems marring the scheme’s construction in recent months, the planned celebration, organised to coincide with Cycle September, was postponed at the last minute, ostensibly due to the weather having the potential to delay resurfacing works.

The debacle prompted Churchdown’s Lib Dem councillor Ben Evans to question why the event was even arranged when it was clear the cycle path wouldn’t be completed in time, and called on the council to focus on “more important” safety issues concerning the scheme.

“I must say I was amazed to be informed that there was an event to celebrate the completion of the cycle path, mainly because it has not been completed! It seems a strange thing to do,” Evans told Gloucestershire Live.

“As a representative for the people of Churchdown, I am also not sure whether they would agree the abysmal implementation deserves to have money spent ‘celebrating’ whilst people are still waiting to have the promised parking and safety measures installed. I think we will all just be relieved when it’s over.”

B4063 project (Gloucestershire County Council)

Meanwhile, Evans’ Lib Dem colleague Stewart Dove was also critical of this case of “premature self-congratulation”, adding: “Everyone agrees improving cycling and walking routes is a good thing. Myself and the whole team of local councillors are still receiving concerns, however, about the safety of the route in places, such as where the cycle route intersects with bus stops. I think ironing out those issues should take precedence over premature self-congratulation.”

However, a spokesperson for Gloucestershire County Council said: “Due to the weather forecast which has the potential to delay the resurfacing scheme in the area we have taken the decision to postpone this event.

“It had been arranged to link with Cycle September and encourage more people to get on their bikes and take advantage of the cycle spine that we are building through the county. We will be rescheduling this event for a later date.”

You know what, I was also thinking of celebrating the completion of today’s live blog… Oh wait, it’s still 10am. Drat.

17 September 2024, 14:57
‘Nah mate, we don’t want our lovely pulley cages anywhere near your heap of scrap SL7…’
2024 AbsoluteBlack Hollowcage Titanium oversized pulley cage 2

> AbsoluteBlack will only let you buy its “extraordinary” titanium oversized pulley cage if your bike is good enough

Think I’ll stick with my very ordinary, very normal sized pulley cage, thank you very much.

17 September 2024, 14:39
Cyclists complete 390-mile ride from Paris to Suffolk to raise more than £200,000 in memory of rugby team killed in plane crash 50 years ago

With long-distance rides all the rage at the moment, a group of 60 rugby-loving cyclists spent last week cycling the 628km (or 390 miles) from Paris to Suffolk, in a memory of a team that was tragically killed in a plane crash 50 years ago.

18 members of Bury St Edmunds rugby club died when a Turkish Airlines flight crashed in Ermenonville, just outside of Paris, on 3 March 1974, killing all 346 people on board. The club’s members were returning from a Five Nations back between France and England when they were killed.

To mark the anniversary of the tragedy, 60 cyclists took part in a six-day ride from the French capital back to Bury St Edmunds, raising over £200,000 for St Nicholas Hospice Care and to build a new all-weather rugby pitch in the process.

“The whole experience was totally amazing,” Austin Cornish, whose father Laurie was killed in the plane crash, and who helped organise the memorial ride, told the BBC.

“We had some pretty awful weather, we had some long days on the saddle and day three was 97 miles (156km). It was six days of tough cycling. Unfortunately they managed to put us through cobbled streets – not very pleasant when you’re on a bike.”

Reflecting on the reasons for the ride, Austin – who was three when his father was killed – said: “It’s just an amazing adventure. We did it for them, and I look on at it as a bit of a return journey that they didn’t have, so it’s very special.”

17 September 2024, 13:55
2024 Ram Air Fairing Pioneering Bike Backpack 3
“Great for crosswinds”: RAF (not that one) release air-filled cycling backpack to “reduce drag and enhance safety”… and cyclists aren’t convinced

Have you ever been out riding your bike thought to yourself, ‘You know what would improve my commute or weekend spin? If it looked like I was about to take off down the side of a mountain’?

Well, you’re in luck. Because Hong Kong-based innovators Ram Air Fairing (so not that RAF, though it does look like something they would design) will soon be launching a crowdfunding campaign for its ‘Pioneering Bike Backpack’ – a backpack that isn’t, well, a backpack in the traditional sense (because it doesn’t hold anything), but is instead designed to “significantly reduce air drag” and help you “effortlessly slice through the wind”, while enhancing your safety with integrated airbag protection.

And making you look like the airbag has already gone off or you’re about to go paragliding, of course. Or that you’re just a bit of a wally who’ll buy any old thing for the apparent aero gains.

2024 Ram Air Fairing Pioneering Bike Backpack 2

> An air-filled cycling backpack to “reduce drag and enhance safety” is about to hit Kickstarter

And judging by the comments already on social media, it’s fair to say a lot of cyclists have responded to RAF’s aero backpack by reaching for their calendars, just to make sure.

“No. Just no,” said road.cc reader Aidan.

Hawkinspeter was more optimistic, however, writing: “Finally a perfectly shaped backpack for when I go shopping for fine China and then want to visit the house of cards building championship. Maybe I’ll go visit the domino toppling exhibition as well. Do you think they’d make a custom painted one that might look a little bit like a squirrel tail?”

2024 Ram Air Fairing Pioneering Bike Backpack 4

“Just come back from a ride in a mahoosive cross wind. That should work,” said Peter. Now that would an echelon I’d like to see.

“I’d be prepared to bet a whole five quid that I never, ever see this in use. And that actually makes me feel slightly sad,” added another Twitter user.

Me too, to be fair.

“Yep, expect to see Visma rolling these out next Tour – in yellow, to complement their pointy hats from last season. Most likely helium-filled for all those mountain stages,” said one person who’s obviously head of development on a WorldTour team.

Don’t give them any ideas though!

And finally, BBB has won the afternoon with this comedy club cracker: “All those product claims are just hot air.”

Wahey!

17 September 2024, 13:18
“Do you want me to stop cycling and drive instead?” Why don’t cyclists use the cycle path? Because there are barriers everywhere

Another day, another set of questionably placed barriers obstructing a cycle path.

This time it’s Glasgow City Council’s turn to respond to construction work by failing to remember that not all people on bikes can nimbly duck and dive through a set of barriers like Mathieu van der Poel.

Glasgow bike path barriers (Tom Quinn)

“I get it, Glasgow City Council, you want me to stop cycling and drive instead?” Tom Quinn, who posted the photos of the cyclocross-esque barrier position, said.

“These barriers are obscene and not anywhere close to following guidance.  If I wasn’t physically able to lift my cargo bike I wouldn’t get around this.”

“They were moveable for a while, but last week they were filled with water I think, so they weigh a tonne,” added Keith Fuller. “A few days ago I went through there and there were four sections of this crap.

“I have zero idea why this was put in place, and it’s done nothing but make people angry.”

Glasgow bike path barriers (Tom Quinn)

“I think it’s the contractors at fault but still unacceptable they are still there,” said another Glaswegian cyclist. “I am unable to book our logistics partner unless these are moved.

“This is a car-brained illogical response to a problem that doesn’t exist.”

Now, where have we heard that before?

17 September 2024, 12:35
Machete-wielding men on electric motorbikes attack teenage cyclist, chasing him into “busy” Tesco in attempted bikejacking

A teenage cyclist was attacked by two men wielding a machete and equipped with electric motorbikes in an attempted bikejacking in Liverpool, with the 16-year-old forced to rush into a Tesco to evade the muggers.

Tesco Express, Mossley Hill, Liverpool

Read more: > Machete-wielding men on electric motorbikes attack teenage cyclist, chasing him into “busy” Tesco in attempted bikejacking

17 September 2024, 11:59
Huge watermelon slices and chilling in paddling pools… I thought they said this whole cycling around Australia thing would be hard work?

Oh yeah, I forgot about the 500km a day… 

17 September 2024, 11:28
Female cyclist in London riding Lime bike - copyright Simon MacMichael
Traders protest Lime Bike parking bays in Oxford, as cycle hire company reportedly starts operating in city “without permission” from council

Lime Bikes really are the flavour of the week, aren’t they? Or maybe not so much…

While down in London, Brent Council – where the green e-bikes have been a fixture for five years – has issued an ultimatum to the American hire bike company, calling on it to address its pavement blocking problem otherwise the local authority will scrap the scheme by Halloween, Lime’s arrival in Oxford this month hasn’t gone down too well with local traders.

> Are hire bikes – and a lack of docking stations – causing a “nuisance” in cities? Cyclists call for “better regulation” as Lime Bikes branded a “menace clogging up pavements”

When contractors for Lime rocked up to Frideswide Square in the city at the start of September, to paint lines for a new parking bay for the bikes on the pavement, a group of business owners staged a makeshift protest to prevent them from carrying out their job (damned if you arrange parking spaces, damned if you don’t eh?).

“People from Lime came along and started to paint white lines outside Lula’s restaurant but we stood in front of them with our arms folded until they went away,” Amanda Suliman-Bell, who runs Rainbow and Spoon boutique, told the Oxford Mail, while claiming that the shop owners in Frideswide Square were not consulted about the new parking pays.

Lime did, however, succeed in setting up a bay for its bikes outside the nearby West Oxford Community Centre on Botley Road.

Lime Riders 1.JPG

But the Oxford Mail has reported that Lime may have decided to begin installing their parking bays without being given the go-ahead by Oxfordshire County Council.

“At the moment, local authorities have limited control over operators installing rental e-bikes,” a council spokesperson said.

“Oxfordshire County Council is currently in discussion with Lime with a view to establishing an agreed code of conduct for their operations in Oxford.”

The Oxford Mail also reported that one Lime Bike has already been found abandoned and on its side outside St Frideswide Church. Probably could do with installing more handy parking bays then, eh?

17 September 2024, 09:57
Luke Rowe (picture copyright Zac Williams, SWPix.com)
Ineos Grenadiers road captain Luke Rowe rumoured to be set for DS role at Decathlon-AG2R, after admitting things “haven’t been going well for a long time” at British team

In one of the more surprising developments of the cycling season so far, Ineos Grenadiers’ long-standing road captain Luke Rowe is reportedly ready to step into the Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale for 2025.

Rowe – a cornerstone of some of Ineos and Sky’s biggest victories over the years, including five Tour de France wins – is set to retire at the end of the year, despite having a contract with the British team until the end of 2025, after a shocking run of injuries and ill-fortune.

> “Pogačar and Vingegaard are going to be hard to topple”: Geraint Thomas and Luke Rowe say Ineos Grenadiers need some “honest conversations in the mirror” and just get back to winning some bike races

The 34-year-old hasn’t raced since a race-ending crash at the E3 Saxo Bank Classic in March, where he suffered a concussion that ruled him out of the spring classics and this year’s grand tours, while a projected farewell ride at the Tour of Britain was also called off, meaning Rowe is unlikely to race as a pro again.

With his tactical nous as one of the peloton’s most acclaimed and respected domestiques, Rowe has long been touted as a future sports director, and was widely tipped to stay on in a management capacity at Ineos, where he has spent the entirety of his 13-year pro career.

Luke Rowe, 2023 British national road race championships (Zac Williams/SWPix.com)

(Zac Williams/SWPix.com)

However, in a twist worthy of M. Night Shyamalan, it has been reported by Daniel Benson that Rowe is instead set to join Decathlon AG2R La Mondiale as a sports director, a move that is yet unconfirmed but could be announced in the next few weeks.

Though the rumoured appointment may come as something of a surprise, especially considering Rowe’s position as Mr Ineos over the past decade, it will nevertheless act as another statement of intent for the ambitious French outfit.

Since the arrival of Decathlon as title sponsor at the start of this year, the team have enjoyed a fruitful 2024 so far, winning 30 races, including two stages at the Giro d’Italia, and a stage, second-place overall, and a long spell in the red leader’s jersey at the Vuelta a España courtesy of Ben O’Connor.

Luke Rowe at Paris-Roubaix 2021 - Copyright A.S.O., Pauline Ballet

 (A.S.O./Pauline Ballet)

Rowe’s departure would also prove a blow for an Ineos management structure which has been in flux since Dave Brailsford stepped aside to focus on another sporting giant in transition, with recent years marked by Rod Ellingworth’s exit amid reported internal tensions, DS Steve Cumming’s ongoing absence at races since June, and Dan Bigham’s recent defection to Red Bull-Bora-Hansgrohe.

> “It’s not prettier than it is, and the podium is just very far away”: Luke Rowe joins chorus of discontent as Ineos Grenadiers struggle in Spain at the Vuelta

And earlier this month, Rowe himself admitted that the British team is currently “far away from the podium” when it comes to cycling’s biggest races.

“You can’t justify it. It’s a team with a huge budget. Riders are paid to win big races. That’s just not happening now. We’re not performing. Not that one person is failing, but it hasn’t been going well for a long time,” he told Eurosport during the Vuelta.

“Staying at the top was difficult, we were chased. Now, we have to chase the rest. Several teams have passed us. I know the people at the top of the team, and they will start thinking and not give up. But it’s not solved in one or two years. I give them a few years, then Ineos will return to the top.”

17 September 2024, 09:44
While we’re on the subject of e-bikes…

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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The_Ewan replied to momove | 1 month ago
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momove wrote:

But councils need to dedicate some parking space if they want the bikes parked in a specific space

Or just insist they be parked in any existing car parking space - almost all the freedom of dockless, all the same guarantees of not being an obstruction as if a car were there.

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FionaJJ replied to Rendel Harris | 1 month ago
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I'm not sure who they think they are helping, but I don't think it does the cycling community any good to get quite so aggressive at what is a very reasonable complaint that is shared by all responsible cyclists.

It is absolutely fair to say that councils should provide space for considerate bike parking wherever it can reasonably be predicted to be needed, and if that means removing a few existing car parking spaces at key locations - so be it.

I'd also suggest a bike equivalent of yellow hatching. In an ideal world all bike hire users would would automatically pick a location that won't block the path of pedestrians or block fire exits, but some people need reminding. Many otherwise considerate able bodied people won't be thinking whether a guide dog navigate the space. The down-side of hatching is it can send the message that everywhere else is fair game.

Even if I wasn't already personally frustrated by badly abandoned bikes, as a community it is in our interests to stick up for the disabled community on this one, as it puts us in a better position to make our case for keeping protected bike lanes by bus-stops etc. Anti-cycling and pro-motoring groups already like to claim everything that is good for cycling is ablist, which is usually nonsense. However, they would have a point when it comes to abandoned bike hires.

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The_Ewan replied to FionaJJ | 1 month ago
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FionaJJ wrote:

It is absolutely fair to say that councils should provide space for considerate bike parking

And, based on this, that does seem to be very much the point being made by the LCC and others on the 'pro cycling' side of this argument. The agression, such as it is, is largely coming from the 'ban it' and 'crush them' side.

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FionaJJ replied to The_Ewan | 1 month ago
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I was agreeing with them on that point. I just think they do that message and the pro-cycling movement harm by being so aggressive in their attitude. At best it means that part of the message is lost, and at worst it gives the impression that cyclists really are all selfish and couldn't care less about those with disabilities.

Please take it as read that my respect for the anti-cycling movement is already low.

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chrisonabike replied to FionaJJ | 1 month ago
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Well... this is true.  But as brooksby points out "just wait 'till they hear about cars".

Of course, because this is "normal" we don't notice it in the way we notice the dumped / fallen bikes.  And bikes are much less likely to be dumped (still inconsiderately / not following the rules) *in* the road, as motor vehicles are.

If we expect people to care about things:

 - they need to be invested in them.  This means "public hire" anything (as opposed to "personally owned") already has issues to overcome.
- there need to be suitable consequences for breaking the rules / misusing the system - and the penalties have to be greater than the benefits to users of not bothering with the rules
 - ideally the system needs set up so it's easy (beneficial to the user) to follow the rules and harder / less inviting not to do so.

Couple all those with expectation of bicycles being low cost (to users, compared with e.g. cars) plus being easily portable / stealable / easily damaged (usually zero consequences for any of those) and we can see that "dockless bike share" as an idea for the good of the public at large has lots of potential problems. (Never mind the funding models - and the fact that in practice most of these are set up to expect bikes to be trashed in short order because that's what happens).

People are selfish.  How they are may change over the years but the "in my day..." arguments (some seen in other posts here) are dubious at best.

It seems it's quite hard - and/or there is rarely sufficient pressure on firms - to enforce more social behaviour.  I suspect expecting e.g. the police to sort things out would be ignoring potential massive costs.

But who lets the firms get set up and sets conditions?  Would that be the boroughs / councils / TfL?  In which case I think there's definitely responsibility there.

Ultimately it goes all the way up the tree to the politicians who continue to go along with "the most important form of transport is private motorised transport" and direct the policies and the lion's share of the money accordingly.

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brooksby | 1 month ago
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Car drivers for many years have been more than happy to leave their parked motor  vehicles wherever they think they can get away with it.  Just sayin'… 

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