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"Hi-vis distracts from the real issues on our roads," says makers of bike camera warning signs; "Tedious" number plate debate follows former Met chief's comments; Friday Facebook Fancy; A front light with a difference; Mythbusting + more on the live blog

Welcome to the Friday live blog everybody! Dan Alexander will be taking you through to the weekend with everything you need to know (and plenty you don't) from the world of cycling...

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24 November 2023, 15:14
"Hi-vis distracts from the real issues on our roads," says makers of bike camera warning signs

You may already be familiar with the work of PassPixi, the makers of the magnetic bike camera warning signs which aim to dissuade anyone tempted to do something dangerous around the wearer. After all, the looming stick of potential penalty points and a fine through the post is almost certainly more effective than whatever the carrot I'm now struggling to identify is in this analogy.

In fact, through our Near Miss of the Day series we've covered this 'in the wild'...

> Near Miss of the Day 538: Close pass driver hangs back when they realise they are being filmed

In that case our Warwickshire reader had one of the patches displayed, the front and rear camera footage showing a motorist about to perform a dangerous overtaking manoeuvre before, presumably spotting the PassPixi logo, thinking better of it and holding back until it was safer to pass.

Anyway, rambling context done, onto this...

It would be interesting to see the respective treatment this rider got with and without the little camera sign. The hi-vis question always pops up again at this time of year, the dark nights and shortening afternoons prompting (often admittedly well-meaning) road safety groups, local authorities or police forces to urge using hi-vis clothing as a cyclist. Don't worry pedestrians, you've not been forgotten...

> Police ask pedestrians to wear hi-vis following spate of road deaths in Scotland

Other police forces, notably the Surrey Roads Policing Unit's famous social media account, prefer to point out the main causes of road danger should be prioritised, not forcing personal protective equipment on more vulnerable road users...

A point made in PassPixi's original post, where they say it "distracts from the real issues on the road". To many a reply disagreeing, they added to the discussion with this video this morning...

A familiar tale for any of us (regardless of what you're wearing)...

Check out PassPixi here...

24 November 2023, 17:02
"Would they like the shirt off my back as well?" Bike shop owners fume as Cycle to Work scheme stops retailers charging additional fees
24 November 2023, 17:02
24 November 2023, 16:35
Tom Pidcock checks out Tour de France gravel stage
 

What do we have here?

Tom Pidcock Tour de France gravel stage (Strava/Laurens De Plus)

 Laurens De Plus and Tom Pidcock took a trip to Troyes to recon the route for next year's ninth stage of the Tour de France, a 14-gravel sector lumpy ride through the vineyards. Maybe not quite as toasty in November, but at least you're not a four-time Tour de France winner demoted to role of Geraint Thomas' mechanic.

24 November 2023, 16:23
Comment of the day
Live blog comment 24/11/2023

For the offending review...

> Gorewear Gore-Tex Paclite Pants Men's

In our defence that's just the name of the product. Laurence quite rightly points out they easily go over his trousers. Thank you hutchdaddy for giving us all an image to try to forget...

24 November 2023, 14:39
Wait, it's Black Friday? Nobody told me...
24 November 2023, 14:09
School bike racks destroyed by speeding, out-of-control motorist, as pupils and teachers stage protest demanding introduction of 20mph limit
24 November 2023, 12:35
The return of Jo's Friday Facebook Fancy... just pray you don't actually have to ride this one...
24 November 2023, 10:57
Five great British bike brands that are pushing the boundaries of cycling tech
24 November 2023, 10:32
A last-minute contender for best cycling light of 2023?
24 November 2023, 10:22
Cycling mythbusting: nobody cycles in winter when it's wet and cold

Sorry, excuse my sniggering, seeing Greg post another video's reminded me of 'Tug-gate'. Never a bad day to share that again...

> Cyclist catches driver watching adult film and 'spanking the monkey' in heavy London traffic

24 November 2023, 10:06
Team Visma | Lease a Bike join the pantheon of whacky pro cycling team names

Sometimes when asked by a friend or family member about how pro cycling works, you'll end up explaining how teams carry the name of whoever is paying the bills but, since cycling's still relatively small business in the wider sporting picture, we end up with the world's best competing as a moving billboard for caffeine shampoo or Belgian laminate flooring. 

Add another chapter to that great book...

The all-conquering and relentless winners, Jonas Vingegaard, Wout van Aert, Marianne Vos and Co. part of the terrifying and ruthless victory-collecting machine that is... *checks notes*... Team Visma | Lease a Bike...

Out goes the supermarket, in comes the bike hire provider. Crack out the bad jokes when one of their stars ends up grabbing a neutral service bike in a moment of crisis...

In all seriousness here are the comments from Lease a Bike's managing director Ward Matser on the deal... "Lease a Bike's mission is to inspire people to go biking. For sports, for commuting and in everyday life. What better way to spread this message than through an extremely inspiring cycling team? We want to encourage people to live healthier and more sustainable lives and see Team Visma | Lease a Bike as a way to contribute to this.

"We are already successful in the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and Austria and we are expanding to other countries in Europe and to the USA. We believe in innovation, developing talent and doing things a little better every day. A vision we share with the cycling team."

No greenwashing accusations today... (and by pro cycling's not so glittering standards, that'll do for me)...

24 November 2023, 08:52
"How about policing the roads properly?": Cyclists shut down former Met Police chief's "tedious" bicycle number plate proposal

The dust is just starting to settle on the story from last night that the House of Lords heard a suggestion to tackle apparently "dangerous" and "entirely unaccountable" cycling by putting number plates on bicycles. And while I'm sure there's plenty said in the Lords that can be ignored, put away at the back of the mind with all the other ramblings of politicians of a certain ilk, it is always going to be slightly more concerning/infuriating/facepalmingly depressing coming from the man who was in charge of the Metropolitan Police for five years...

 Cycling lawyer Rory McCarron, who works for Leigh Day and assisted British Cycling in its recent call for an end to "hazardous leniency" in sentencing of drivers who kill or injure cyclists, picked apart Lord Hogan-Howe's comments, in particular the bit about how "on occasion they [cyclists] have terribly injured people and on some occasions killed them".

"Yes," he replied. "And these very few cyclists have been identified and held accountable? Ermir Loka, Charlie Alliston etc. How many unaccountable cyclists are killing/seriously injuring people? Not many. He has also failed to outline what he considers dangerous cycling by giving an example. I'm guessing he woke up this morning and felt dangerous."

Another said it was "classic looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist", Andrew Buss adding: "Just wait until he hears about the huge number of KSIs [killed and seriously injured] due to car drivers. If only they had a system of registration and licensing. Oh…"

Over on Facebook, road.cc reader Stephen Ward commented: "Ignoring how well it works for cars and other vehicles I can't help but think the Met have bigger issues to deal with than getting inundated with reports of cyclists riding two abreast or ignoring cycle lanes." 

eburtthebike: "[Quoting Hagen-Howe]...'On occasion they have terribly injured people, and on some occasions killed them.'

"When? How often? How many compared to cars? How many people are killed by drivers who are not arrested or punished or who are let off with such pathetic excuses as 'the sun was in my eyes' or 'I thought I hit a sack of potatoes'? No, let's attack an out group whose transgressions are so minor that they barely register."

Here in the road.cc website comments section, some of our standards are clearly a tad lower...

Clem Fandango: "At least he acknowledged that cyclists are actually people. Baby steps fellow evil lobby members, baby steps."

Every cloud...

Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of lower leagues football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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Left_is_for_Losers replied to NotNigel | 5 months ago
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NotNigel wrote:

Article on helmet use incoming....I don't think there's been one this week.

Yep my bingo card is still not complete for a change

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perce replied to Left_is_for_Losers | 5 months ago
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Other websites are available if you don't like this one.

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Steve K replied to Left_is_for_Losers | 5 months ago
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Left_is_for_Losers wrote:

Are you talking about the superb and not at all divisive or engaging reporting that the highly trained road.cc staff do? 

They've openly admitted that people arguing generates more revenue. Sums up what sort of a site this is. 

And your contributions appear to be a key part of that strategy.

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Left_is_for_Losers replied to Steve K | 5 months ago
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Steve K wrote:

Left_is_for_Losers wrote:

Are you talking about the superb and not at all divisive or engaging reporting that the highly trained road.cc staff do? 

They've openly admitted that people arguing generates more revenue. Sums up what sort of a site this is. 

And your contributions appear to be a key part of that strategy.

Yes that's because I'm really a road.cc undercover employee here to get some more engagement going. 

Yours,

Sack Jexty

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Car Delenda Est replied to Left_is_for_Losers | 5 months ago
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Left_is_for_Losers wrote:

They've openly admitted that people arguing generates more revenue. Sums up what sort of a site this is. 

The sort that exists in a capitalist free market?

While the headlines draw clicks through outrage the body tends to be more rational, which is a lot more than you can say for most.

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Adam Sutton replied to HarrogateSpa | 5 months ago
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Ah, just grab some popcorn, sit back and watch the usual suspects get their lyrcra in a twist over it.

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