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"Very concerned lorry driver" says he is having daily near misses with cyclists

"Part of driving safely is having stimuli around you that makes you react,” argues road safety spokesman...

A Lincolnshire lorry driver has said that he is “deeply concerned” because there are a lot of cyclists on the roads at the moment. "Normally they'd be out at weekends but now it's every single day,” he said. "The situation is desperately out of control."

The unnamed driver who transports waste for recycling said that he and his colleagues are having daily near misses.

Three people died on Lincolnshire roads in crashes involving HGVs on Thursday. Road safety partnership spokesman John Siddle told Lincolnshire Live that the combination of quieter roads and “slow moving cyclists” constituted a massive risk.

Siddle said that despite a 60 per cent reduction in traffic on the county's roads, some motorists are speeding, but he seemed to blame a lack of “stimuli” for many instances of unsafe driving.

"Because there's not much on the roads people can drive significant distances between seeing other vehicles,” he said. “There's not the usual stimulus or hazards and speeds get faster and faster.

"We recognise that key workers are working longer shifts in labour intensive and stressful jobs and when they finish work they are probably very tired.

"Part of driving safely is having stimuli around you that makes you react, eg other drivers, and that's not there."

Commenting on cyclists – who, unlike cars, don’t seem to qualify as safety stimuli – Siddle added: "There are also more cyclists about, not all of whom wear the right gear so that they can be seen. There are also cyclists who ride in groups despite the restrictions on exercise.

"If you have drivers picking up speed and are faced with slow moving cyclists, that's a massive risk."

Lumping cyclists in with speeding, tiredness and people walking in the central reservation of the A15, he concluded: "There is more enforcement being done by the police across the county but with speeding, cyclists, tiredness and people walking where they shouldn't, you could end up with a mixed pot leading to something going very wrong.”

Expressing his fears, the anonymous lorry driver said: "I am so deeply concerned. There are a lot of cyclists on the roads at the moment. Normally they'd be out at weekends but now it's every single day.

"Some are law-abiding and courteous and pull in for us to pass safely and then there's the Tour de France wannabes who ride in groups of twos and threes - no social distancing.

"The problem is that lorries are very heavy and slow to manoeuvre and if we suddenly come across cyclists in a group on a blind bend we are forced to go onto the other side of the road. I cannot give them 2m as I pass.

"The situation is desperately out of control."

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mitsky | 3 years ago
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Blimey, so many things wrong here.

Your Honour, may I present exhibit A (this article), reasons for which this driver (and the spokesman) should lose their licences? I rest my case.

*"Normally they'd be out at weekends but now it's every single day,” he said. "The situation is desperately out of control."*
- unlike motor vehicles (drivers), being on the roads "every single day", out of control...

*“slow moving cyclists” constituted a massive risk*
The risk posed by a slow moving cyclist is infinitely smaller than that from a motor vehicle (driver) going at any speed.

*he seemed to blame a lack of “stimuli” for many instances of unsafe driving.*
- how about blaming the driver, aka the vehicle operator, for driving unsafely in the event of a collision or near miss?
Or is that a bit too logical?

*"Part of driving safely is having stimuli around you that makes you react, eg other drivers, and that's not there."*
- No. Driving safely is ALL about the driver, safely operating the vehicle. That is why there is a thing called a driving test to, hopefully, make sure the driver can do so.

*"There are also more cyclists about, not all of whom wear the right gear so that they can be seen.*
- cyclists are not required to wear anything specific (apart from using lights when dark). As long as they aren't using invisibility cloaks, their clothing, during daylight hours, should be enough to be visible. Motor vehicles aren't banned from being similar colours to the road (or black like the night).

*"If you have drivers picking up speed and are faced with slow moving cyclists, that's a massive risk.""
- a risk (that being the "drivers picking up speed") which is instantly eliminated by slowing down via easing off the accelerator or applying the brake.

*"The problem is that lorries are very heavy and slow to manoeuvre and if we suddenly come across cyclists in a group on a blind bend we are forced to go onto the other side of the road. I cannot give them 2m as I pass.*
- if you are going around a blind bend at a speed that is too high to stop safely in case there is an unknown obstacle, that is YOUR fault. You are not forced to go onto the other side of the road. You SHOULD be able to slow down before anything happens.
If you cannot give them 2m to pass, then don't try to pass at that point. Simple.

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James Warrener | 4 years ago
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I live less than a mile from the junction where one of these fatalities occured and its busy still now.

So I don't buy the quieter roads mean more speed argument in that instance.

In our area there are even cycling based Facebook pages which rather than encourage these new cyclists on the road are battering them for being novices.

The issue with these articles are that cyclists are always split into Tour de France wannabees and everyone else. Either way, drivers hate them.

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caw35ride | 4 years ago
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I must say that I am baffled by the reporting of this by road.cc. The headline could be "road.cc repeats unchallenged the views of a dangerous driver". Where is your response?

Perhaps I missing the point, and you're just going for the clicks and comments.

 

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srchar replied to caw35ride | 4 years ago
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caw35ride wrote:

clicks

This. Stop clicking on the "news" that gets published on here, only click on the good stuff. It's the only way.

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Dnnnnnn | 4 years ago
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I think it's increasingly clear that the real danger in the UK today is not COVID19 - it's cyclists.

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Gary's bike channel | 4 years ago
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here you go mr truck driver who keeps having near misses- care to explain how you have them, but people like this, well , dont? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIGpHxahcwA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR...

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Captain Badger replied to Gary's bike channel | 4 years ago
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Beautiful! laugh

Just need to get them to explain to the previous car drivers why not to overtake into a blind bend.... no

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P3t3 | 4 years ago
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Shouldn't the title be more like "professional driver confesses that he's rubbish at driving".

If he's coming round blind corners so fast he's at risk of hitting his cycling then he needs to resign.

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Gary's bike channel | 4 years ago
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i AM a lorry driver. I drive class 1, thats 40 tonnes laden wagons.  One, you dont hoon it around a blind bend anyway. Cyclists or sudden traffic jam, makes no difference, you can still kill people instantly. I leave a gap i know i can stop in, regardless. I wouldnt overtake on a blind bend, id wait for a straight bit of road. The lorry driver is an idiot. Its actually very easy to pass cyclists in group whilst driving a lorry, you just need to LOOK AHEAD. I would rather be faced with overtaking 9 cyclists riding two abreast than 9 cyclists riding single file 2 metres apart. 

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Zebulebu replied to Gary's bike channel | 4 years ago
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I find in the main, lorry drivers (and especially tanker drivers) are the best drivers on the road. Common sense, really - since their entire livelihood depends on driving an extremely unwieldy, difficult to manoeuvre vehicle. The obvious problem is that - when they're not - they're the most dangerous. Like you said, just like driving any other vehicle - common sense is all that's needed.

The worst drivers I encounter regularly are in charge of coaches, farm machinery or horse boxes. Absolutely fucking clueless, a large proportion of them - unlike a lot of car drivers who know full what they are doing and are just arseholes, drivers of the above vehicles often have absolutely no clue how to drive.

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eburtthebike replied to Zebulebu | 4 years ago
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Zebulebu wrote:

I find in the main, lorry drivers (and especially tanker drivers) are the best drivers on the road. Common sense, really - since their entire livelihood depends on driving an extremely unwieldy, difficult to manoeuvre vehicle. The obvious problem is that - when they're not - they're the most dangerous. Like you said, just like driving any other vehicle - common sense is all that's needed. The worst drivers I encounter regularly are in charge of coaches, farm machinery or horse boxes. Absolutely fucking clueless, a large proportion of them - unlike a lot of car drivers who know full what they are doing and are just arseholes, drivers of the above vehicles often have absolutely no clue how to drive.

And those towing caravans, you missed them out.

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Panslanepaul replied to eburtthebike | 4 years ago
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eburtthebike]</p>

<p>[quote=Zebulebu wrote:

I find in the main, lorry drivers (and especially tanker drivers) are the best drivers on the road. 

And those towing caravans, you missed them out.

Thanks for clarifying that. I tow a caravan (when I'm not riding a bike), good to know my excellent driving hasn't gone unnoticed.

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stonojnr replied to Zebulebu | 4 years ago
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maybe we just get the rubbish lorry drivers driving through Suffolk then, as Ive never encountered a lorry whilst out cycling and thought doing a top job driving there.

https://vimeo.com/396449409

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ktache replied to stonojnr | 4 years ago
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Great video.  I read about that one, better halfs from Ipswich and we used to fo to the Tescos at Copdoc.  Didn't he claim to have done nothing different than the many times he'd driven it before?

I must agree with Zebulebu, sometimes they can be magnificent drivers, but when they are not you really remember the terror of a close encounter with a jugganaut.

 

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Zebulebu | 4 years ago
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Have we reached Peak Imbecile now? Fuckwitted fool

Edit - nope. I just read the comments, and the bar has been raised. Witness this gem:

"I dont condone unsafe driving but I think its a natural reaction to the lockdown.When you've been forced to stay inside for days on end and then you get outside on an empty road you feel free and can get a buzz breaking the speed limit"

Cunt

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brooksby | 4 years ago
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I think that since the restrictions have been put in place I have definitely noticed more cyclists out and about. And I think that's a good thing, and probably not unconnected to the roads having less motor traffic.

If this bloke is saying that he's having so many problems as a consequence of there being more cyclists out, then what I believe he's really doing is admitting that he's actually not a very good driver.

I wonder if he, or the road safety partnership, realise what he's actually admitting to...

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Sriracha | 4 years ago
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He's all but said that whereas the prospect of collision with another motor vehicle creates enough of a sense of hazard to keep him alert, running over a cyclist does not.

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ktache | 4 years ago
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It's the conflation by a "safety expert" of speeding motorists (against the law), tired driving (dangerous at best)  with cycling (a legitimate form of exercise and travel, fully legal) and walking (legal, not on motorways, is the A12 counted as one?) that is a concern for me.

Work on the illegality first, no matter what justifications you decide you might have for it.

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sparrowlegs | 4 years ago
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JHC! I can't believe the amount of wrongness in what's been said. Instead of "it's great to see so many people out in the roads while they are so quiet, hopefully it will increase and continue after the restrictions are lifted" we get an HGV driver admitting he's dangerous behind the wheel because he doesn't know the Highway Code and has a short attention span. On top of that we have this div Siddle backing it all up. 

I honestly despair when idiots like these get to drive some of the roads most dangerous vehicles and speak on road safety issues. 
 

Both should be fired as neither are competent to carry out the roles they occupy. 

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eburtthebike | 4 years ago
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Has anyone else tried to comment on the Lincolnshire Live website?  I keep getting an error message when I try.

Edit: Shortening my comment worked.

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Merchant of Cool | 4 years ago
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"There are also more cyclists about, not all of whom wear the right gear so that they can be seen."

Well he must have seen them as he comments on their lack of visibility.

He shouldn't be on the road...let alone in a truck.

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Rik Mayals unde... replied to Merchant of Cool | 4 years ago
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Yeah, it isn't down to cyclists to have to wear clothing that enables them to be seen. Surely it is more important that drivers are alert, and have eyesight good enough to see other road users, whatever their attire.

After all, there are a hell of a lot of black cars on the road, and many cars matt wrapped. How the hell does he see those?

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eburtthebike | 4 years ago
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The quotes from just two people sum up perfectly the problem with road safety in this country; the assumption that the roads are for the exclusive use of drivers and cyclists are the real problem.

Particularly concerning are the comments of the Road safety partnership spokesman John Siddle, who is clearly not fit to have any responsibility whatsoever for road safety.  Even if he's their PR prop, and didn't actually compose what he said, it does demonstrate the very worrying lack of logic, independence and objectivity, as well as being unacceptably biased.  This kind of victim blaming has no place in any road safety organisation.

I sincerely hope all road.cc, CUK, BC, local clubs and cyclists will be making their views known to the Road Safety Partnership, in volume and stridently.  This is totally unacceptable and must be challenged most forcefully.

EDIT: Just sent this email to the partnership stayingalive [at] lincolnshire.gov.uk:
"Dear Road Safety Partnership,
could you please tell me whether the comments of Mr Siddle in the article below are accurate and reflect the views of the partnership?
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/news/local-news/speeding-drivers-reck..."

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bikeman01 | 4 years ago
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It's worrying that he has a drivers licence let alone a hgv licence.

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giff77 replied to bikeman01 | 4 years ago
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Most likely someone old enough to be permitted to operate rigid HGVs without having to be tested to do so. My licence grants me grandfather rights to class 3 vehicles though I have no desire to make use of it. Interestingly, when I did youth work I was the only person able to drive the 16 seater minibus we had as everyone else could only drive 12 seaters. 

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mr_pickles2 | 4 years ago
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"The problem is that lorries are very heavy and slow to manoeuvre and if we suddenly come across cyclists in a group on a blind bend we are forced to go onto the other side of the road. I cannot give them 2m as I pass."

I'm pretty sure that rule 126 of the Higway Code states "drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance you can see to be clear." If this so-called "professional driver" can't manage to slow down and drive around a blind bend at a speed that allows him to react to potential hazards in a reasonable (including perfectly law-obiding cyclists), then maybe he needs to consider another career. 

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mattsccm replied to mr_pickles2 | 4 years ago
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As usual here people jump in and can't see both sides.  I am a firm, nay rabid, believer in the idea that any road user must always be able to stop immediately. If you can't you are wrong.  Big vehicles must always give way to small etc. If they can't fit in a single lane  they must stop. I have zero sympathy about needing to do their job etc.

However there has been a huge increase in the number of incompetent cyclists of late. Combine c19, nice weather and Easter holidays with more people than usual at home and the roads are full of people who are a menace. People of all ages come down ,the hill past my house, out of a 30 limit and instead of following the road gently around a curve, with ample visibility for safe overtaking, they fork right along a gravel track. I doubt 1 in 10 look, let alone signal.  Some people are almost choosing to risk themselves. 

As usual it is a combination of factors. The main problem is the press. Disgusting parasites.

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StuInNorway replied to mattsccm | 4 years ago
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mattsccm wrote:

 People of all ages come down ,the hill past my house, out of a 30 limit and instead of following the road gently around a curve, with ample visibility for safe overtaking, they fork right along a gravel track. I doubt 1 in 10 look, let alone signal.  

As usual it is a combination of factors. The main problem is the press. Disgusting parasites.

So coming downhill, out a 30 zone, so most likely sitting around 30, so no one should be overtaking.
Moving onto another route is perfectly legal.
You "doubt" 1 in 10 look, but don't actually have any fact to back that up, given that it's guite likely, as most cyclists do, they'd looked over their shoulder previously and seen the road was clear behind. Most cyclists are infinitely more aware of what is around them than car drivers. When did you last see a cyclist not notice the ambulance or fire engine behind them with blue light and sirens going and fail to allow them to progess ? Few weeks ago I watched a police car try to pull a luton van driving on the motorway with his taillift down, followed him for a mile, blues and twos all on, in the end had to pass and almost box him in to get them to stop.

As for the press, I can agree they are certainly not helping the matter just now.
 

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HarrogateSpa replied to mattsccm | 4 years ago
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The lorry driver's comments have nothing to do with how good people are at cycling, or what happens outside your house.

He's admitting he's a dangerous driver because he doesn't know how not to run over 'slow moving cyclists'. But people are allowed to ride bikes on the road, and lorry drivers are not allowed to run them over.

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ktache replied to mattsccm | 4 years ago
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Unfortunately, we are not all born as excellent cyclists.  

Experience is what builds competence.  I rather darkly think that you have to survive being run over a couple of times before you can truly understand how incompetent many motorists can be, but that is me.

I have tried to not be what most drivers seem to do, rant and rave at learner drivers, completely forgetting they were one themselves.  I try to encourage child cyclists by ringing my bell (gently) and saluting them.  And I bite my tongue when hearing obviously rusty and corroded chains.  

I encountered a father and 2 children (they were in front) on a bridleway the other day, I stayed a good respectable distance back, knowing there was only a fairly short distance until we hit the next road, but wanting to get ahead then because I did wish to be in front for the next downhill bridleway section.  My "good Afternoon" when we got to the road was met with a "Sorry, I didn't see you".  Now I could have replied that he was a car driver and had obviously not been on a bicycle (apart from centre parks) since childhood, wobbling far more than his children, let alone doing regular shoulder checks, not managing to see behind without a range of mirrors, or that I and my bicycle are not exactly silent and he could have been quite able to hear me, because being on a bike is partly about being in and aware of what is going on around you.  But no, I replied, "No?  Have a great afternoon"

Hopefully both he and all those other cyclists that are back or newish will keep at it if we ever get back to some sort of normality, or at least give me a little more room when passing me in their unnecessarily large and over powerful motor vehicles.  We can but hope.

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