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Building a super bike

Hi and merry Xmas to everyone. I’ve decided to take my cycling more seriously after a few months on a relative’s bike. I’ve also got some money to spend so I would like a really nice bike even though I’m not a pro. In particular, I’m liking the Pinarello Dogma F10 X-Light but as a noob I virtually have no idea where to begin selecting some components.

I know I want a Dura Ace groupset though I’m not sure which one. Dura Ace wheels, probably tubular, but again not sure whether to go for C40/60. I’m leaning towards C60. Pros/cons?

I also need to pick other components but don’t know what to get. Could someone identify for me the components used on the X-Light on the Pinarello website and also on Chris Froome’s bike if there is a difference.

If you're new please join in and if you have questions pop them below and the forum regulars will answer as best we can.

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Canyon48 | 6 years ago
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Buying a full on race bike should come with a health warning; if you are over 80kg then you'll look a bit silly on a race bike (unless you have a physique like Marcel Kittel's or Andre Greipel's).

Seeing as you're after a bike very similar/identical to Chris Froome's, might I recommend the following?

https://www.facebook.com/FullProKitW/

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Chris Hayes | 6 years ago
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Someone delete this thread.  And stop encouraging him.

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jrg91 | 6 years ago
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I am “naturally” slim: 177 cm and around 60 kg. I work long hours including weekends which is why my fitness has taken a hit over the past couple years though I think it’s been coming back well with the cycling I’ve been doing and want to keep it up and build up to doing even more. Currently I’d say I’ve been doing around 8 hours a week, not sure about distance and speed though I do a fair bit of climbing.

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fenix | 6 years ago
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8 hours a week is probably more than most hobby cyclists.

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jrg91 | 6 years ago
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Yeah well I’m really liking cycling. I’ve never really enjoyed doing things on my own before but with cycling I find I don’t mind at all.

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rjfrussell | 6 years ago
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"but as a noob"

 

One "o" too many, one "k" too few.

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jrg91 | 6 years ago
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sour much

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drosco | 6 years ago
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Buying a pro spec bike doesn't make someone a pro. Just get something with Ultegra, upgrade the wheels and enjoy riding rather than focusing on kit.

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sergius | 6 years ago
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Unlike almost everyone else here, I say why not!  If you can afford it then why not treat yourself to a amazing bike.

 

I do second the point about bike fit though; I'm about to buy myself my fourth bike in 4 years or so, each one being progressively more expensive than the last.  Once you've many 1000's of km under your belt, you know what works for you etc.  While it would of course have been cheaper to jump straight to my planned 40th birthday present - there are other benefits to having multiple bikes (winter bike when the weather is shit, endurance/relaxed geometry bike for those 100 mile days in the saddle) which I consider well worth paying for.

 

The main consideration for me at this point is what size Aeroad I need, and whether the position is too racy for me to live with.  There's a world of difference between what is comfortable for a quick pootle around the block versus four hours on the bike.  I think that only spending hundreds of hours riding will give you this insight into your own capabilities.  Being a Canyon it's a lot more difficult to try before you buy (although the Bike Live thing in London looks well timed for me).

 

Were I in your position, I'd probably spring for a very nice (but not superbike level) Canyon Ultimate CF SL 8.0.  You'll need to do a lot of miles to outgrow a bike like that.  Depending on where you are, you can try one out at the Bike Live days as well

 

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Charlie-CarbsAn... | 6 years ago
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Get a power meter as well its the best way of objectively showing how good you are and if you are getting better. It is also incredibly useful to pace yourself. A power meter is defintely worth it no matter what your level.

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jrg91 | 6 years ago
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Thanks for the replies.

So what are your thoughts on electronic shifting? I’ve heard it’s very good until you have a problem.

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Miller | 6 years ago
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Can I have a go too?

Assuming OP is genuine, I'd suggest he buys a complete bike. No offence but he sounds beginner-ish and assembling a bike from a frame and a stack of components is not a task for the inexperienced especially when a mistake could be expensive.

Walking into any high end bike shop and saying you're interested in an F10 or similar should get you someone's undivided attention. 

 

 

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jrg91 | 6 years ago
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My bad with title. I’m not looking to actually build it myself just more less researching and selecting the components myself with some input from others. Eventually I will try and locate a quality bike shop.

I also have another question that’s come up. Some people have told me that the local roads aren’t well suited to a full on road bike but I don’t think they’re that bad. They’re not experts either. So I know it’s probably hard to describe but if you could give me an idea of what would be bad for a road bike.

EDIT: Nevermind the question about the roads. I’ve just seen that they hold races locally so they must be alright.

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don simon fbpe | 6 years ago
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I've taken inspiration from this thread and decided that 2018 is the year that I get organised and start a project to get myself a hyper-bike.

Ideas on where to start?

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BikeJon | 6 years ago
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I would advise against expensive equipment until you are more experienced. Newbie riders tend to hit the tarmac more often, have silly incidents (e.g. lean their bikes up against walls and scratch them) and don't know how to look after/clean their equipment properly (e.g. know when parts need replacing or adjusting). Have you even used clipless pedals before?
Learn all this stuff on a cheap bike. Even a grand will get you a decent bike these days.
I used to race and won quite a few races (including a couple of national championships) and the bike I ride around on the UK roads these days is a custom Ti frame with cross geometry, Ultegra Di2 and 28mm tyres (when used on tarmac). I'm not interested in superbikes as they wouldn't suit the riding I do. I have no problem with people buying whatever they want but that would be my advice nevertheless - to learn before you invest and make an informed decision. I've only really learnt to look after my equipment in the last 5 years after joining a club in 1990! YouTube (GCN) is a great resource for picking up tips.

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part_robot | 6 years ago
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OP: this makes no sense whatsoever. If you don't know what bike you want why would your first one be the most expensive you can find? Better, just get something around the £1000-2000 mark and learn what you like and don't like about it. Upgrade, change, get a proper fit whatever and then plump for something fancy when you have at least a reasonable amount of experience and insight.

That said (and note this is my personal opinion) expensive bikes are for mugs. They make absolutely no difference to all but the most elite athletes. No. Difference. The bike industry - just like the hifi industry - prays on selling fantasy benefits to people (particularly men) on the autistic spectrum who hope it'll somehow help them get a KOM on Strava and who obsess over the benefits of 50g saved on a £300 saddle.

Don't be one of them. Get something awesome at a good price and put the remaining £8000 into training hard enough to woop the ass of anyone on a Dogma. If you want validation of your self worth - as these mega purchases so often intended - there's no better way to feel good about yourself than that.

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alansmurphy | 6 years ago
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Part Robot, you understand bikes far better than the autistic spectrum. Please don't confuse a middle aged man that likes his tools in the correct order with somebody with autism...

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mattsccm | 6 years ago
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I'll be polite but blunt.  Ieeing as you know your motorcycles I'll ask this. Would you recommend a Ducati 1199 to some one just going for their CBT?

Thats what you are doing.

Nice to have the cash but you need to see what works for you first. It could be the "best" in the world but if it doesn't suit your riding its crap.

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Canyon48 replied to jrg91 | 6 years ago
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jrg91 wrote:

I am “naturally” slim: 177 cm and around 60 kg. I work long hours including weekends which is why my fitness has taken a hit over the past couple years though I think it’s been coming back well with the cycling I’ve been doing and want to keep it up and build up to doing even more. Currently I’d say I’ve been doing around 8 hours a week, not sure about distance and speed though I do a fair bit of climbing.

You shouldn't have much issue getting good on a bike then, given your build.

If you are set on a superbike, then certainly look at new Dura Ace 9100, you can fit an 11-30t cassette on that. As for whether you want a compact 50/34 or mid-compact 52/36 chainset, that depends on how fast you ride and how much climbing you do.

You wouldn't go far wrong with something like this https://www.canyon.com/en-gb/road/ultimate/2016/ultimate-cf-sl-7-0.html Great bike with plenty of wheel and groupset opportunity.

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sergius replied to jrg91 | 6 years ago
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jrg91 wrote:

Thanks for the replies.

So what are your thoughts on electronic shifting? I’ve heard it’s very good until you have a problem.

 

It's amazing. I'm never buying another (good) bike without it.

 

Yes, mechanical works works "fine" as well, but:

- I never have to adjust the indexing on my electronic gears

- I never have to deal with cable stretch, or replace cables at all

- The auto-trim on the front deraileur is nice to have, I find it really annoying now on my winter bike (mechanical Ultegra) when compared to my best bike.

 

Touch wood, I've had no issues with my Di2 system in 2.5 years / 13000 km.

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alansmurphy replied to don simon fbpe | 6 years ago
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don simon wrote:

I've taken inspiration from this thread and decided that 2018 is the year that I get organised and start a project to get myself a hyper-bike.

Ideas on where to start?

Vodka infused with Skittles!

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MrMajic replied to part_robot | 6 years ago
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part_robot wrote:

That said (and note this is my personal opinion) expensive bikes are for mugs. They make absolutely no difference to all but the most elite athletes. No. Difference. The bike industry - just like the hifi industry - prays on selling fantasy benefits to people (particularly men) on the autistic spectrum who hope it'll somehow help them get a KOM on Strava and who obsess over the benefits of 50g saved on a £300 saddle.

 

I disagree, every time I’ve upgraded a bike it’s been quicker. Whether that’s down to deep section wheels, a more aerodynamic frame, longer gearing and possibly a smidge of the placebo effect I’m not sure but I think it’s wrong to suggest that the same person would make the same pace on a £1,500 bike vs a £9,500 bike.   

 

For the OP: I built up a foil premium last year with the same spec as the “off the shelf” version for less than half the price, including bike shop cost to put it together. I think such a bike shouldn’t really be a first bike, but if money is absolutely no object then I suppose why not?

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jaysa | 6 years ago
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We need to know more really ...

You said: 'I’ve decided to take my cycling more seriously after a few months on a relative’s bike.'  Great, but at what exertion level? Pootling, raised pulse or harder?

Do you know what you most like to do yet? Off-road, city centres with hard cornering, solo high intensity work, hill climbing, canal paths?

What level of fitness have you achieved so far? Do you stretch regularly, and how aero a position are you able to sustain?

Meanwhile, don't get a custom build until you can answer much of that.

If you must splash the cash now, get something that looks nice in the January sales. You'll get a solid discount, and you can test ride it first. All the parts will work together properly and will be warranted. Plus when you resell it, you'll lose less money.

Get a bike fit to find the stack and reach that work for you now, knowing these may change a bit as you get stronger and more flexible.

A super-stiff bike can give a harsh ride, and if you're not low at the front and/or carrying some weight, your privates and back will tell you all about it.

It's fun to have and ride a superbike, but you can have a lot of fun on something much cheaper.

My daily driver is a SuperSix Evo non-HiMod, bought new for £770, plus £500 on narrower bars (narrow shoulders), 130mm -17deg stem (my bike fit), saddle with cutout (woman-shaped), seat post (less road vibration), Ultegra calipers (better modulation than Tiagra), brake blocks (ditto) and tyres (road-holding).

I also have an ex-Pro Tour Bianchi which is a dream, but is really not worth loads more.

 

 

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Chris Hayes | 6 years ago
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I think you guys are being far too kind with your advice here....might be xmas spirit but my take is that this is a wind up

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Canyon48 replied to Chris Hayes | 6 years ago
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Chris Hayes wrote:

I think you guys are being far too kind with your advice here....might be xmas spirit but my take is that this is a wind up

Yeah, seems like one. Although, worryingly I've met a couple people at my LBS (Clifton - posh part of Bristol) who have said they are "getting back into cycling" having not ridden in years, and shell out a few thousand on race bikes...

jrg91 wrote:

You’re all beginning to sway me away from the F10. I had already considered, as some have mentioned, that it may be more enjoyable in a way to start out with less and gradually build up.

I kind of like Specialized as well, in particular, I think maybe the Allez would be a good bike for me but I guess it might all depend on my LBS. Although I have also considered traveling to pick up a bike and then have maintenance done at the LBS as I learn to do my own.

I really wanted the bike to start taking my training seriously and so I was thinking of getting a power meter, HR sensor etc. But someone advised against that at this point. What do the rest of you think?

If you haven't done much cycling, seeing as you described yourself as a "noob", then neither a power meter nor an HRM will make a lot of difference for a while.

First thing to do is put in the miles and shed a few kg.

To be honest, unless you are dead set on racing, there isn't much point with a power meter. As you've said you aren't very experienced - you won't be racing for quite a while.

To give everyone a better idea of what you might need; how far do you usually ride, how fast do you usually ride, how much do you ride, how much do you weigh and how tall are you?

If the answers to the above are; 10miles/week, 12mph, rarely, 96kg and 175cm then the type of bike and training you will want are vastly different to the type you'd want if the answers were; 200 miles/week, 20mph, every day, 65kg and 175cm...

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Beecho replied to Chris Hayes | 6 years ago
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Chris Hayes wrote:

I think you guys are being far too kind with your advice here....might be xmas spirit but my take is that this is a wind up

Are you B2B Chris Hayes? If so, hello mate!

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fenix | 6 years ago
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Oh and if your planning on racing don't race what you can't afford to replace.

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Jimmy Ray Will | 6 years ago
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As mentioned, is suggest tubs are beat saved for racing.
If you have the coin, I'd suggest going for disc brakes. This will future proof your ride and just provide a better experience.
If you do this, you have to go Shimano di2 as everyone else's hydraulic shifters look gash.
Money no object, go dura ace di2 with discs, but I'd suggest the new ultegra will still deliver a beautiful ride and bike.
The discs will also open the option of going carbon tubeless on the wheels. This is the answer. Superb fast and comfortable rolling, great puncture resistance and basically the best of all worlds.
Finishing kit is personal choice.

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fenix | 6 years ago
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You don't need a superbike to take training seriously.
A £500 bike can let you train perfectly well. Wasn't the BBAR champs bike 2nd hand and under a grand a year or two ago ?

Spend maybe a grand on a decent bike and get to see what you like or dislike about it. Then it can be your winter or bad weather bike when you decide what you really need on a bike.

Personally I'd not ride tubs again and I'd go etap.

Pro bikes aren't necessarily the best but they're paid to use them.

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Liam Cahill | 6 years ago
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From your original post I'd advise against tubulars for anything but racing. They don't puncture much, but when they do, you're stuff unless you have a team car with spare wheels.

I'd repeat the advice to avoid a full on superbike intended for racing. The geometry isn't the best for people that don't spend a fair amount of the year on a bike. If you do, or are going to, then go for it. But keep in mind that Pinarello do the GAN RS, which is a little more relaxed in fit.

Dura Ace is beautiful so if you've got the cash, do it. Pro components is what Sky use and they're also really nice. We've tested a fair amount of their stuff.

But the biggest piece of advice is to go to a shop and get them to fit the bike to you. They can then tell you all about the gearing you'll need for the local terrain. They'll also talk you through what components would be best for you.

I should also point out that I'm rather jealous!

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