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Bristol Cycling Campaign urges people to sign pro-20mph zone petition

Opposition to 20mph zones is based on "misinformed rubbish" say campaigners...

Bristol Cycling Campaign has backed a petition urging the city council to keep a 20mph speed limit in residential areas amid calls for it to be scrapped, saying that opposition to the speed limit is based on "misinformed rubbish."

More than 7,000 people have signed a petition launched in March this year calling for the limit, introduced by Mayor George Ferguson, to be scrapped.

The petition claims that the extending such a limit across the city is “completely ludicrous,” saying that while “no driver objects to a 20mph limit near a school for example but a blanket roll out is totally absurd.”

It adds that “roads will only be made more dangerous with frustrated drivers and people watching the speedo rather than where they're going.”

A rival petition, now backed by Bristol Cycling Campaign, was launched in June and has more than 1,000 supporters to date.

That petition says: “We are convinced that Bristol's narrow streets and roads in densely populated neighbourhoods or around parks are not suitable for 30mph traffic.

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“Reducing the maximum speed makes a much more liveable city with pleasant streets, significantly improves safety of all road and pavement users, especially of children.

“It also has a huge positive impact on cycling by allowing cyclists to keep up with the main flow of traffic or, when this is not possible, making cars pass much more safely.

“It even helps businesses by making streets more friendly and stopping easier for cars.

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In a blog post published yesterday, Bristol Cycling Campaign described the assertion that 20mph zones are “ridiculous” and “ludicrous” as “misinformed rubbish” and urged supporters to sign the petition in favour of keeping them – and indeed, extending them further throughout the city.

The blog post said: “The petitioners' argument that 20mph has made the roads more dangerous is particularly weak.”

Referring to the claim that lower speed limits are more dangerous due to their effect on driver behaviour, it added: “This statement is actually an insult to Bristol's motorists.

“It seems to suggest the city's drivers have no self-control or judgement and it must be a pretty bad driver who never takes their eye off the speedo, whatever the speed limit happens to be.

“We worry the signers of this petition have not properly thought through what they're signing up to.”

Bristol City Council is also resisting calls for the 30mph limit to be reinstated.

Earlier this month, Assistant Mayor Councillor Simon Cook told the Bristol Post: "There are tangible safety benefits of reducing speed to 20mph and research also shows that the real impact on journey times for drivers is remarkably small.

"The slower speed not only reduces the risk of injuries and fatalities, but it also encourages people to get out and walk or cycle.

"We are committed to making Bristol one of the most liveable cities in the world and to do that we need to make our neighbourhoods safer and healthier places to work and live."

Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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sean evans | 8 years ago
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the only way you can convince motorists to drive at 20 is to ruthlessly fine them with hundreds of cameras. Or to narrow the roads and put loads of speed bumps in. If the road just looks like a normal road or even worse, has two lanes, they don't give a toss and just drive 35 like they normally would.

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I love my bike replied to sean evans | 8 years ago
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The 85th percentile concept needs to be intelligently implemented: design the road (and cycleways too) so that 85% of vehicles travel below the desired speed limit voluntarily, so enforcement can be directed to the minority of offenders.

Simply putting up 20mph speed limit signs or a few speed cameras is simply not the way to do it, because the road hasn't changed.

Unfortunately speed limit signs are cheap, but actually changing roads is expensive.

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danthomascyclist | 8 years ago
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It adds that “roads will only be made more dangerous with frustrated drivers and people watching the speedo rather than where they're going.”

If you struggle to drive safely whilst obeying a speed limit you shouldn't be driving. Also, are you suggesting you won't be watching the speed if the limit was different to 20? If anything, this person is putting forward a very good case for lower speed limits, because what they're basically saying is "motorists can't drive properly".

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Carton replied to danthomascyclist | 8 years ago
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danthomascyclist wrote:
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It adds that “roads will only be made more dangerous with frustrated drivers and people watching the speedo rather than where they're going.”

If you struggle to drive safely whilst obeying a speed limit you shouldn't be driving.

I disagree slightly. There are bits of road where you really need to pay attention to the speedometer in order to stay below 20mph, particularly without a manual or semi-manual transmission. There should be an easy tech fix, but for now while cruise control is great for motorways it's not optimal for narrow city streets.

This is also why I think speed limits for cyclists (in parks and the like) are somewhat counterproductive. Trying to remain below 10mph on most gradients requires some real Froome-like riding.

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adscrim | 8 years ago
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I'm in favour of 20mph limits but you do get some idiots who try to get past you, realise you're doing the same speed they and the car in front are, so squeeze in to try and force you to drop in behind them. Although this is not so much a function of 20mph as it is of travelling at the same speed at the rest of traffic at any given point in time, the frequency of which increases as limits drop. However, there are more reasons for 20 limits than just allowing cyclists to draft buses more easily.

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vonhelmet | 8 years ago
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There's a 20mph speed limit through our town centre. I drive through there at 20mph and always get people right up behind me... who then overtake when the road splits out into two lanes for a junction. It's pointless.

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marche | 8 years ago
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Maybe a bit OT but 20 mph is probably fast enough!

In big cities you would travel "faster" at a lower but consistent speed:
"Road transport is the main transportation means in Bangkok, and the city is infamous for its traffic jams. The average vehicle speed during rush hours is 17.2 km/h in the morning and 24.2 km/h in the evening, which have remained so at least for the past 6 years." [http://web.worldbank.org/]

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balmybaldwin | 8 years ago
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Vonhelmet - I don't think the CPS have any interest in prosecuting any motorists for any offences - even failing to declare reportable medical conditions and negligently killing people in a crowded xmas shopping street doesn't seem to matter anymore

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BarefootBrian | 8 years ago
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I just wish drivers would keep below the current limit of 30 mph in residential areas. I agree 20 would be better, but is it honestly realistic, or enforceable?

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vonhelmet | 8 years ago
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Haven't the CPS said they have no interest in prosecuting people for breaking these speed limits anyway?

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paulfrank replied to vonhelmet | 8 years ago
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vonhelmet wrote:

Haven't the CPS said they have no interest in prosecuting people for breaking these speed limits anyway?

The Police in Telford have flat out refused to enforce 20mph zones, they also won't enforce on parking on double yellow lines but say they are committed to road safety; so I wouldn't expect to see any convictions soon.

I hope Bristol has better Police.

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ajuk.uk@gmail.com replied to paulfrank | 8 years ago
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That's because under DfT guidelines properly set speed limits are meant to be "self enforcing" and generally adhered to without high levels of enforcement, if non compliance is high the speed limit is probably set too low.  26

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AJ101 | 8 years ago
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I wish there were more 20mph zones to be honest. Good luck to the Bristolians trying to keep this in place.

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