Man threatens to punch cyclist, 14, who was riding on pavement due to puncture making it too dangerous to stay on road

Rick_Rude wrote:

I bet the reason 'hate' crimes are up is because the police are doing stuff like investigating the refusal of guy to have sex with a transgender woman who still had a penis. Recording hate crimes is fish in the barrel stuff for the police. Far easier to record and deal with than actually tackling street crime.

Disregarding the argument, the story was actually a photographer refusing to submit photos he had taken of a transgender woman because he previously did not know she was trans, and she reporting it and his comments to the police.

There was no sex. I'm not even sure there's a penis. The photographers actions may or may not be transphobic, so may Ricky Gerais, it's very difficult to tell from the type of publications this has been reported in. However with Brexit in mind this is a great example of a story mutating beyond recognition from its original source

alansmurphy wrote:

burt - I hate the Leave propoganda but "but the leavers are xenphobic, racist, ignorant, violent gammons, while the remainers tend to be well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful" is about as watertight as the leavers arguments.

 

I know some leavers who are well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful just as I know some remainers who are toal arseholes.

You're right of course, and it's the 99% that give all the rest of the leavers a bad name.

gibatronic wrote:

How people got so intolerant to constantly be on the edge of violence?

Brexit.  And that isn't a joke. 

The entire Brexit process started with xenophobia and the media stoking up hatred of others, and the politicians deliberately stirring things to get the gullible racists to vote for them.  With so much hatred and vitriol in society, it is hardly surprising that cyclists, as an out group that can be safely hated, get made the target for these sad deluded people.  All measured forms of hate crime have increased since the referendum and the blatantly partisan and illegal leave campaign, so some people take their hatred out on whoever is nearest.

burtthebike wrote:

gibatronic wrote:

How people got so intolerant to constantly be on the edge of violence?

Brexit.  And that isn't a joke. 

The entire Brexit process started with xenophobia and the media stoking up hatred of others, and the politicians deliberately stirring things to get the gullible racists to vote for them.  With so much hatred and vitriol in society, it is hardly surprising that cyclists, as an out group that can be safely hated, get made the target for these sad deluded people.  All measured forms of hate crime have increased since the referendum and the blatantly partisan and illegal leave campaign, so some people take their hatred out on whoever is nearest.

Is there no end to the malignancies caused by Brexit? And all caused by those on one side of the argument, how strange.

FrankH wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

gibatronic wrote:

How people got so intolerant to constantly be on the edge of violence?

Brexit.  And that isn't a joke. 

The entire Brexit process started with xenophobia and the media stoking up hatred of others, and the politicians deliberately stirring things to get the gullible racists to vote for them.  With so much hatred and vitriol in society, it is hardly surprising that cyclists, as an out group that can be safely hated, get made the target for these sad deluded people.  All measured forms of hate crime have increased since the referendum and the blatantly partisan and illegal leave campaign, so some people take their hatred out on whoever is nearest.

Is there no end to the malignancies caused by Brexit? And all caused by those on one side of the argument, how strange.

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the leavers are xenphobic, racist, ignorant, violent gammons, while the remainers tend to be well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful; witness the two recent marches in London.  The first, with just a few hundred leavers, had violence, foul language, multiple arrests and public disorder.  The second, with at least a million, but some estimates said double that, of remainers, completely peaceful, civilised and orderly.  Spot the difference?

burtthebike wrote:

FrankH wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

gibatronic wrote:

How people got so intolerant to constantly be on the edge of violence?

Brexit.  And that isn't a joke. 

The entire Brexit process started with xenophobia and the media stoking up hatred of others, and the politicians deliberately stirring things to get the gullible racists to vote for them.  With so much hatred and vitriol in society, it is hardly surprising that cyclists, as an out group that can be safely hated, get made the target for these sad deluded people.  All measured forms of hate crime have increased since the referendum and the blatantly partisan and illegal leave campaign, so some people take their hatred out on whoever is nearest.

Is there no end to the malignancies caused by Brexit? And all caused by those on one side of the argument, how strange.

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the leavers are xenphobic, racist, ignorant, violent gammons, while the remainers tend to be well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful; witness the two recent marches in London.  The first, with just a few hundred leavers, had violence, foul language, multiple arrests and public disorder.  The second, with at least a million, but some estimates said double that, of remainers, completely peaceful, civilised and orderly.  Spot the difference?

You're absolutely right. I'm a thick as pigshit, racist, violent gammon who shouldn't be allowed out on his own.

I'm still not sure how me voting to leave caused somebody else to threaten a 14 year old three years later. It's a puzzle, right enough.

FrankH wrote:

You're absolutely right. I'm a thick as pigshit, racist, violent gammon who shouldn't be allowed out on his own.

If you admit it then you're not a Brexiteer.

Rule one of Brexit club: Deny it and claim sovereignty and taking back control.

Membership revoked.

alansmurphy wrote:

FrankH wrote:

You're absolutely right. I'm a thick as pigshit, racist, violent gammon who shouldn't be allowed out on his own.

If you admit it then you're not a Brexiteer.

The "No true Scotsman" fallacy. How nice to see it in the wild.

FrankH wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

FrankH wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

gibatronic wrote:

How people got so intolerant to constantly be on the edge of violence?

Brexit.  And that isn't a joke. 

The entire Brexit process started with xenophobia and the media stoking up hatred of others, and the politicians deliberately stirring things to get the gullible racists to vote for them.  With so much hatred and vitriol in society, it is hardly surprising that cyclists, as an out group that can be safely hated, get made the target for these sad deluded people.  All measured forms of hate crime have increased since the referendum and the blatantly partisan and illegal leave campaign, so some people take their hatred out on whoever is nearest.

Is there no end to the malignancies caused by Brexit? And all caused by those on one side of the argument, how strange.

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the leavers are xenphobic, racist, ignorant, violent gammons, while the remainers tend to be well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful; witness the two recent marches in London.  The first, with just a few hundred leavers, had violence, foul language, multiple arrests and public disorder.  The second, with at least a million, but some estimates said double that, of remainers, completely peaceful, civilised and orderly.  Spot the difference?

You're absolutely right. I'm a thick as pigshit, racist, violent gammon who shouldn't be allowed out on his own.

I'm still not sure how me voting to leave caused somebody else to threaten a 14 year old three years later. It's a puzzle, right enough.

I cheered for Jair Bolsonaro to become president of Brazil, but now that I saw his true colors I'm so ashemed. We just cannot trust any source of news anymore. It requires so much effort to be impartial.

burtthebike wrote:

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the leavers are xenphobic, racist, ignorant, violent gammons, while the remainers tend to be well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful; witness the two recent marches in London.  The first, with just a few hundred leavers, had violence, foul language, multiple arrests and public disorder.  The second, with at least a million, but some estimates said double that, of remainers, completely peaceful, civilised and orderly.  Spot the difference?

Nothing says well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful like dehumanising those you disagree with politically.

Have a look at some of the less savoury political movements of the 20th Century.

Look at the language those movements used towards their ideological opponents.

Take a moment and reflect on your own behaviour.

Rich_cb wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the leavers are xenphobic, racist, ignorant, violent gammons, while the remainers tend to be well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful; witness the two recent marches in London.  The first, with just a few hundred leavers, had violence, foul language, multiple arrests and public disorder.  The second, with at least a million, but some estimates said double that, of remainers, completely peaceful, civilised and orderly.  Spot the difference?

Nothing says well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful like dehumanising those you disagree with politically.

Have a look at some of the less savoury political movements of the 20th Century.

Look at the language those movements used towards their ideological opponents.

Take a moment and reflect on your own behaviour.

Take a moment to reflect on your own poor-taste hyperbole and desperate seeking of victim-status.

I'm weary of the powerful trying to play the victim. It's the prime trope of our era. It was, as it happens, also a driving force for those 'less savoury political movements'. You should be ashamed.

You aren't a put-upon-minority facing potential genocide. (And nor are 'Brexiters' as a group). You are clearly a comfortably-off middle-class white guy. Stop it.

(Oh, and if you are so concerned with language, maybe have a word with your fellow Brexit-supporters about their constant and tedious use of "remoaner"...not because it will lead to a holocaust, but because it's just boring and naff)

(I don't, as it happens, agree with the OP - the divide between 'leave' and 'remain' teams is complicated - there appear to be multiple factors, age being one...can't seem to find the article with scatterplots that illustrated some of them)

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

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 You are clearly a comfortably-off middle-class white guy. Stop it.

Shame you just were 1 short for four corners on the bigot bingo. You had classism (middle class), racism (white) and sexism (guy). close but no cigar.

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Take a moment to reflect on your own poor-taste hyperbole and desperate seeking of victim-status.

I'm weary of the powerful trying to play the victim. It's the prime trope of our era. It was, as it happens, also a driving force for those 'less savoury political movements'. You should be ashamed.

You aren't a put-upon-minority facing potential genocide. (And nor are 'Brexiters' as a group). You are clearly a comfortably-off middle-class white guy. Stop it.

(Oh, and if you are so concerned with language, maybe have a word with your fellow Brexit-supporters about their constant and tedious use of "remoaner"...not because it will lead to a holocaust, but because it's just boring and naff)

(I don't, as it happens, agree with the OP - the divide between 'leave' and 'remain' teams is complicated - there appear to be multiple factors, age being one...can't seem to find the article with scatterplots that illustrated some of them)

Didn't see this post previously.

Invoking someone's race, class and/or gender to undermine their argument?

Nice. Real nice.

If you don't think dehumanising language is a bad thing pick up a history book and educate yourself.

FluffyKittenofTindalos wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the leavers are xenphobic, racist, ignorant, violent gammons, while the remainers tend to be well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful; witness the two recent marches in London.  The first, with just a few hundred leavers, had violence, foul language, multiple arrests and public disorder.  The second, with at least a million, but some estimates said double that, of remainers, completely peaceful, civilised and orderly.  Spot the difference?

Nothing says well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful like dehumanising those you disagree with politically. Have a look at some of the less savoury political movements of the 20th Century. Look at the language those movements used towards their ideological opponents. Take a moment and reflect on your own behaviour.

Take a moment to reflect on your own poor-taste hyperbole and desperate seeking of victim-status. I'm weary of the powerful trying to play the victim. It's the prime trope of our era. It was, as it happens, also a driving force for those 'less savoury political movements'. You should be ashamed. You aren't a put-upon-minority facing potential genocide. (And nor are 'Brexiters' as a group). You are clearly a comfortably-off middle-class white guy. Stop it. (Oh, and if you are so concerned with language, maybe have a word with your fellow Brexit-supporters about their constant and tedious use of "remoaner"...not because it will lead to a holocaust, but because it's just boring and naff) (I don't, as it happens, agree with the OP - the divide between 'leave' and 'remain' teams is complicated - there appear to be multiple factors, age being one...can't seem to find the article with scatterplots that illustrated some of them)

There's this one featuring scatterplots: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/how-did-different-demographic-groups-vote-eu-referendum

A more recent and detailed analysis is available here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0176268018301320

burtthebike wrote:

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the leavers are xenphobic, racist, ignorant, violent gammons, while the remainers tend to be well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful; witness the two recent marches in London.  The first, with just a few hundred leavers, had violence, foul language, multiple arrests and public disorder.  The second, with at least a million, but some estimates said double that, of remainers, completely peaceful, civilised and orderly.  Spot the difference?

That's a sweeping generalisation and isn't very fair (or true).

The problem is that people who are xenophobic and racist often turn out to be Leavers, but that doesn't work the other way round. There are some good arguments for leaving vs remaining, but they don't tend to get much publicity due to all the misinformation on both sides.

When the Brexit issue first came up, I was originally a Leaver (though I didn't have strong views on it) and it was only after discussing it with various people and reading a bit that I changed my mind and ended up voting remain. I certainly don't consider myself racist etc.

burtthebike wrote:

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the leavers are xenphobic, racist, ignorant, violent gammons, while the remainers tend to be well educated, articulate, intelligent and peaceful; witness the two recent marches in London.

That's very unfair and likely to polarise opinions further. I agree with Rick_Rude and Rich_cb. I'm sure many people voted 'Leave' for what they felt (and may still feel) are genuine, important reasons, even if you and I disagree with them.

It's not their fault that the whole thing has not been presented clearly or fairly in the media. Sports commentator Clive Tyldesley has posted a fascinating 8-minute instagram video on why the MSM has failed the British public. Peter Oborne, a pro-Brexit right wing journalist, has written a long, detailed article for Open Democracy on the way many journalists have lost their integrity and have become part of the propaganda machine in exchange for access. "It’s chilling. From the Mail, The Times to the BBC and ITN, everyone is peddling Downing Street’s lies and smears. They’re turning their readers into dupes."

I'd argue that we shouldn't expect a lot from newspapers, they've generally been nasty propaganda rags owned by millionaires who want to exert influence over public opinion and government policy. But the way the BBC has reported it (and similarly the topic of climate change) is truly shameful; it has given far too much airtime and credit to people who really don't deserve either.

Returning to the topic, it seems that this man is simply a pathetic bully. Sadly, there are far too many of them around.

PRSboy wrote:

My 13 yr old daughter was told off (admittedly not threatened with a punch) by a woman for walking on her 'private grass verge'.  She would actually rather my daughter have walked onto a 40mph dual carriageway round a parked car in a layby.

What is the matter with people??  

Back near the beeginning of the year, a woman had parked and completely filled up a shared-use path on my way home.

She was coming out of the adjacent house (with three cars parked on the very spacious driveway) and I gestured at her car and said something not rude but pretty derogatory.

She said I could walk around on the road.

I pointed out that it was less than safe to be walking into oncoming traffic with a bicycle, on a road with a 50mph speed limit.

Her response was to swear at me quite extensively, then tell me stop having a go at her, get in her car, drive at me so I had to get out of her way, and go off on her merry way...