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'Annoyance tax' suggested as anti-cyclist bingo + two abreast rants roll on; Canyon unveils Grizl gravel bikes with new RockShox suspension; Ned Boulting talks bike paths; Ever been stuck behind a cyclist for an hour?; Zwift with G + more on the live blog

It's Tuesday and Dan Alexander will be providing the live blog updates while hopefully drying out from another soggy day on the bike yesterday...
10 August 2021, 16:08
Have a day off, Angela

Good to see everyone taking Angela Epstein's 'analysis' as seriously as it deserves to be...  

10 August 2021, 15:35
Dylan Groenewegen beats Mark Cavendish on Manx Missile's return to competition after Tour de France success

Mark Cavendish is in Denmark this week for his first race since the Tour de France. His Olympic gold medallist teammate Michael Mørkøv is there too, but couldn't guide Cav to victory today. Dylan Groenewegen took the opening stage, quite comfortably in the end, beating Cav and European champ Giacomo Nizzolo.

10 August 2021, 15:22
Pokemon Bicycle recreated from the game
Pokemon Bike (Image credit: Pokemon)

The Pokemon Company has recreated the iconic bicycle from Pokemon Red and Blue to celebrate its Japanese Twitter account reaching one million followers. The bike will be awarded to one lucky winner, although you have to live in Japan to be in with a chance. In the original games the bike cost 1 million Pokemon Dollars but will be shipped out to a fan for free. And while it might look the part, the bike can't actually be ridden...but does play the show's theme tune. So, pros and cons I guess...

10 August 2021, 14:14
Well well well, it appears Canyon did jump the gun on that new gravel suspension fork! Full story below...
10 August 2021, 13:57
Jeff Rooney breaks Guinness World Record for the furthest distance cycled on a virtual platform in 12 hours
Jeff Rooney Guinness World Record (Strava)

New Zealander Jeff Rooney has set a new world record by riding 455km in 12 hours. Rooney completed the challenge on a 1km circuit on the RGT platform and presumably had plenty of ways to keep himself entertained during the effort...

He added 15km on to the old record, but had to reassess his original goal of smashing the 500km mark midway through the effort. "I’ve done a lot of 12 and 24-hour mountainbike racing, and for how quickly I was feeling bad and for how long I had to push through, it was probably one of the worst rides I’ve ever done," Rooney told Stuff. What's more impressive: the distance or just surviving 12 hours on a turbo trainer?

"The legs weren’t having an ideal day, I was already at three hours in feeling fatigue levels at what you would expect at the 10-hour mark."

10 August 2021, 13:01
Jeremy Vine takes two abreast discussion to BBC Radio 2...gets told cyclists dawdling along country lanes could add an hour on to a motorist's journey

Listeners to BBC Radio 2 this lunchtime would have heard Jeremy Vine hosting a two-way discussion about the two abreast topic. I say 'hosting', Vine had to step in after a dodgy connection stopped Cycling UK's Duncan Dollimore getting involved. On the other side of the debate was Angela Epstein of the Daily Mail and Telegraph. Epstein of course began her argument by reassuring us "as a cyclist myself", and delivered such golden nuggets as: "what gives them the right to block the road when there is a 30mph limit?" and "I get incredibly angry when I see cyclists cycling side by side rather than single file - I'm terrified of overtaking but sometimes you simply have to".

When questioned by Vine on the "simply have to" get in front comment...Epstein justified it with "because sometimes you have to get to a place [...] you might be late. If somebody is dawdling along at 14mph and this country lane spans several miles, you could be adding another hour on to your journey." Right...I think we'll leave that there...

10 August 2021, 12:34
London traffic management doesn't like cycling cafes

For the Old Street cycle cafe Look mum no hands!, this sign probably isn't going to be particularly helpful for business. Some of its Instagram followers have suggested simply turning the sign around, with the cafe also suggesting: "Or we could move the cafe to the other side of Old St?"

Seems like the most logical solution! 

10 August 2021, 10:59
Ride with Geraint Thomas, Rohan Dennis, Matt Stephens and Ben Foster at Grenadiers Greatest Hits event on Zwift

The line-up for Grenadiers Greatest Hits has been announced, giving you the opportunity to ride with some of the team's biggest names on Zwift. If this was a music festival, Geraint Thomas would be the headliner playing main stage on opening night. G will be taking on presenter OJ Borg in a chase race tomorrow, starting at 1:15pm. 'What's a chase race?' I hear you ask...pick a side and ride as hard as you can to help your team win. Or just turn up for a spin with G.

Later on at 7pm Watford goalkeeper, cycling YouTuber and most importantly road.cc Drink at Your Desk graduate Ben Foster will be hosting a 60 minute ride with Ineos pro Cam Wurf around the London Zwift course. On Thursday, there's another casual spin, this time with Rohan Dennis and Matt Stephens, as well as another chase race between Brandon Rivera and Sebastian Henao. Jonathan Castroviejo and Christian Knees will then go head-to-head on Friday morning before a more relaxed ride with Ben Swift and Leonardo Basso wraps up the Ineos Grenadiers Greatest Hits on Friday teatime.

All the details can be found over on Zwift's site...

10 August 2021, 10:07
Canyon introduces suspension to Grizl gravel bike range
2021 Canyon Grizl CF slx 8 etap with rokshox sus fork - via canyon website.PNG

We'll take a break from social media squabbles to bring you some interesting developments from Canyon's website... front suspension from RockShox has been added to some new models in its Grizl gravel bike range.

“RockShox are suspension development pioneers – so it was only a matter of time before they got started in gravel,” says Canyon. “Rudy is designed for gravel, with 30mm of travel in a lightweight chassis, and still offering the Grizl-standard 50mm tyre clearance.”

That’s super-interesting because RockShox hasn’t announced a gravel-specific Rudy fork, so maybe Canyon has jumped the gun here? A the time of writing the news has been announced on the Canyon Spain and Canyon Portugal Twitter pages, but there's nothing on Canyon's international or UK social media. 

2021 rokshox gravel fork - via canyon website.PNG

“Rudy has a gravel-tuned RockShox Charger Race Day damper and highly responsive Solo Air spring,” Canyon says. “They combine to keep your front tyre glued to the ground over rough surfaces and loose corners. Keeping you in control. There’s also a lockout for road riding.”

Well, well, well!

Canyon also discloses information on new gearing from RockShox’ stablemates SRAM.

“Core to the system is the new 10-44T cassette and matching derailleur,” says Canyon. “This combo hits a sweet spot for gravel, with light gearing for steep climbs, and tight jumps for fast road cruising, all controlled by SRAM’s logical, wireless AXS shifting system.”

2021 sram cassette on canyon grizl with suspension - via canyon website.PNG

The most affordable bike with the RockShox Rudy fork is the £2,999 Canyon Grizl CF SL 8 Suspension WMN, although this features a Shimano GRX RX810 groupset. The Canyon Grizl CF SL 8 Suspension, also in a Shimano build, is a little more expensive at £3,249. If you want the SRAM eTap AXS 10-44T gearing, you’re looking at £5,099 for the Canyon Grizl CF SLX 8 eTap Suspension. The groupset is SRAM’s second tier Force.

All of these bikes are said to be “coming in autumn”. 

10 August 2021, 10:01
Drum & Bass On The Bike #8: Should have packed a towel

For any UK-based riders this will be a very relatable scene this summer...popping out for a spin and getting soaked through. Dom Whitting's Drum & Bass On The Bike, this time in Nottingham, was the latest victim of our wonderful British summertime. Say it quietly, but the forecast actually looks alright for the next week or so...

10 August 2021, 09:50
Ned Boulting explains why a cyclist might not use a cycle path

Well said, Ned. On a similar note, last month we dubbed the A12 bike path in Suffolk the 'why cyclists don't use cycle lanes' cycle lane. Unsurprisingly the vid of the narrow, overgrown path triggered a deluge of readers sending in pics of shocking cycle routes from where they ride...it turns out there's a lot of terrible infrastructure knocking around.

10 August 2021, 09:25
UAE Team Emirates continue spending spree with signings of George Bennett, Marc Soler, Pascal Ackermann and Álvaro Hodeg

Tadej Pogacar's UAE Team Emirates continue to spend big to beef up their support for the two-time Tour de France winner. Marc Soler and George Bennett have joined from Movistar and Jumbo-Visma respectively and will presumably accept support roles after mixed success as leaders in their own right. 

On the sprinting side of things, Pascal Ackermann and Álvaro Hodeg have joined, possibly to replace the out of sorts Fernando Gaviria who hasn't won a race in 11 months and is out of contract at the end of the season.

After securing his second yellow jersey in less than a year, Pogacar signed an extended six-year deal, a contract which has been widely touted as one of the longest in the sport's history.

10 August 2021, 08:42
Fair Fuel UK founder offers an olive branch

Fair Fuel UK, in its own words, is: "The real independent and not for profit voice in Westminster for 37m UK drivers, who want clean air too, but want this accomplished without being demonised, blamed and continually treated as easy cash cows."

I wasn't too familiar with the lobby group so took a dive into our archives for some background info and almost exactly a year ago, Mr Cox made the blog for claiming PM Boris Johnson has "Lycra-clad advisors"...

Then in December, Cycling UK accused Fair Fuel UK of running a ‘how much do you hate cycling’ survey.

10 August 2021, 07:49
'Annoyance tax' suggested as anti-cyclist bingo and two abreast complaining continues

We've seen more than our fair share of Jeremy Vine cycling-related posts, but none have blown up quite like this one...

Yesterday we focused on the reaction from 'notable' Tweeters such as Paddy McGuinness with their blue tick verifications, something anyone can apply for by the way...but perhaps more disturbing is the sheer amount of anti-cyclist sentiment. We're used to a spot of anti-cyclist bingo here at road.cc...just not on this scale. A quick spin through the cesspool of comments found eight 'road tax' replies, and that was just until I got bored.

We've also got a couple of new anti-cyclist themes to chuck up on your bingo cards: disrespecting the Romans and 'annoyance tax'...

'Jammo' suggested the 'annoyance tax'...admittedly after being educated on the fact that drivers don't pay 'road tax' either. Oh well, if at first you don't succeed...

On a more serious note, what have you lot made of the 'debate'? Vine's video has been watched 1.1 million times and attracted 10,000 replies. Should we be concerned by the scale of anti-cycling sentiment? Is the reaction representative of the wider population? Or is it a 'debate' exacerbated by social media?

Dan joined road.cc in 2020, and spent most of his first year (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. At the start of 2022 he took on the role of news editor. Before joining road.cc, Dan wrote about various sports, including football and boxing for the Daily Express, and covered the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Part of the generation inspired by the 2012 Olympics, Dan has been 'enjoying' life on two wheels ever since and spends his weekends making bonk-induced trips to the petrol stations of the south of England.

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Nagai74 | 2 years ago
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If cyclists are riding two (or more) abreast on a single carriageway road, how can that be making it easier for a motor vehicle to overtake than if they were riding single file? Surely it'd be impossible for the driver to give the recommended 1.5 metres between vehicle and the nearest bicycle?

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Mungecrundle replied to Nagai74 | 2 years ago
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If the road is that narrow then it almost certainly isn't safe to overtake a single cyclist, so single file or 2 abreast makes no difference except that doubling up definitely makes it clear to a following motorist that there is not enough space and not to take a chance. If the cyclists feel it is safe to do so and from their better vantage position, they may single out and wave a vehicle past. Being prepared for the closeness of the vehicle makes the pass safer for everyone.

Most cyclists are decent human beings and have no wish to hold up traffic just for fun. Unfortunately on narrow singletrack roads, if you bring a vehicle that uses all the road space then you have to accept that sometimes you are going to have to wait to get past slower traffic. Then again, if you are in a rush then you are probably on the wrong type of road or may have been issued with emergency blue lights and sirens, the use of which will have those pesky cyclists looking for the nearest place to pull over and stop while you pass.

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Nagai74 replied to Mungecrundle | 2 years ago
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Thanks for your answer. I'm not sure if I've explained the question clearly, as on a single carriageway road (one lane in each direction), there's enough room to overtake cyclists riding single file, but there wouldn't be room to overtake cyclists riding two abreast. Surely it'd be impossible to overtake cyclists riding two abreast whilst leaving the recommended distance on anything other than roads with more than 2 lanes?

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mdavidford replied to Nagai74 | 2 years ago
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If there's enough room to overtake another car safely, then there's enough room to overtake two cyclists riding side-by-side, who will take up less space than a typical car.

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Nagai74 replied to mdavidford | 2 years ago
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I don't think I've ever seen a car overtake another car and leave anything more than two or three feet of space between it and the other car!

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quiff replied to Nagai74 | 2 years ago
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I have seen 3.65m quoted as an example lane width. A VW Golf for example is just over 2m wide. Two Golfs passing one another would therefore have over 1.5m between them, even if each of them was travelling in the middle of their lane. Obviously there are plenty of variables, but I would suggest on a great many single carriageway roads it's therefore perfectly possible to pass either another car or cyclists riding two abreast while still giving 1.5m passing distance.     

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mdavidford replied to Nagai74 | 2 years ago
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1.5m is <5ft, so, given that the offside cyclist would typically be >1 ft further towards the centre of the lane than the offside of a car, the same position that would give a car 3 ft of clearance would likely give the cyclist 1.5m.

In any case, though, I think you're underestimating the typical clearance given when passing another car.

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wycombewheeler replied to Nagai74 | 2 years ago
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Nagai74 wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen a car overtake another car and leave anything more than two or three feet of space between it and the other car!

if you were driving and a car overtook you at 2 feet you would be shocked. Thats probably closer than cars would be in a car park. Do you really think overtaking cars are as close to each other as parked cars?

If you overtake other cars as close as that you should surrender your licence driving is not for you. No allowance for the overtaking car to deviate for any reason

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Mungecrundle replied to Nagai74 | 2 years ago
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If you are using the picture linked to the JV article above then the outside cyclist of the staggered pairs is approx 2/3 of the way into the marked lane. This is exactly where a motorcyclist would be and where the driver of a standard RHD car would be. The positioning of the group is textbook. A passing car has an entire lane to use and because the cyclists are bunched together the total time on "wrong side of the road" is commensurately shorter.

There seems to be an issue for some less confident drivers in thinking that moving entirely to the "wrong side" of the road for a shorter period of time is somehow more risky than straddling the centre line for a longer period of time.

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Rendel Harris replied to Nagai74 | 2 years ago
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Nagai74 wrote:

If cyclists are riding two (or more) abreast on a single carriageway road, how can that be making it easier for a motor vehicle to overtake than if they were riding single file? Surely it'd be impossible for the driver to give the recommended 1.5 metres between vehicle and the nearest bicycle?

I believe that the minimum passing distance does not apply if the motor vehicle is completely in the opposite lane, something I discovered from the Met when I complained about a lorry passing me unnecessarily close when I was in a bike lane (paint only): their interpretation, at least, was that as long as vehicles are in separate lanes and the overtaking vehicle doesn't cross the dividing line then passing distances don't apply.

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wycombewheeler replied to Nagai74 | 2 years ago
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Nagai74 wrote:

If cyclists are riding two (or more) abreast on a single carriageway road, how can that be making it easier for a motor vehicle to overtake than if they were riding single file? Surely it'd be impossible for the driver to give the recommended 1.5 metres between vehicle and the nearest bicycle?

with the first cyclist 1m from the edge, the second cyclist 1m from the first and the overtaking car 1.5m from the second, that comes to 3.5m, which is not unusually wide for a single carriageway lane. In reality the cyclists will be closer to the left edge and closer together, especially when they know a car is about to pass. Cars are typically less than 2m wide, giving plenty of room to be further into the other lane than the centre line anyway.

I don't know why this is in anyway contentious, I often see horses being ridden side by side and cars manage to pass them wide and slow. I don't know why this suddenly becomes difficult with cyclists who are lower and narrower than horses.

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kingleo | 2 years ago
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Nearly all the delays that happen to motorists are caused by motorists, and that includes all the accidents they cause.

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kingleo | 2 years ago
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Motorists are always causing huge delays to cyclists in cities and towns - so it appears it's ok for motorists to cause delays to cyclists but wrong for cyclists to cause delays to motorists.

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Organon | 2 years ago
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Why is there like 5 copies of everything in this blog. It takes forever to load and scroll to through. 

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Sriracha | 2 years ago
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Not sure if this was mentioned here already:

"TV presenter Storm Huntley has urged cyclists to wear helmets after she was knocked down by a car on Monday.

The co-host of Channel 5's Jeremy Vine show tweeted an image of her damaged helmet saying she was thankful it wasn't her skull that was cracked....

...Huntley said her partner had got rid of her bike after the incident, telling her: "No more cycling for you."
(Yeah - I'd suggest getting rid of the motorist)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58156994

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eburtthebike replied to Sriracha | 2 years ago
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Sriracha wrote:

Not sure if this was mentioned here already: "TV presenter Storm Huntley has urged cyclists to wear helmets after she was knocked down by a car on Monday. The co-host of Channel 5's Jeremy Vine show tweeted an image of her damaged helmet saying she was thankful it wasn't her skull that was cracked.... ...Huntley said her partner had got rid of her bike after the incident, telling her: "No more cycling for you." (Yeah - I'd suggest getting rid of the motorist) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-58156994

Yup, someone posted about it on fb, but I haven't seen the prog yet as it hasn't been put up, but the BBC coverage is its usual unquestioning promotion of helmets with no consideration that it might not have saved her life.  The usual focussing on the helmet being so beneficial, with very little examination of the cause of the collision, the driver.  I had thought the BBC was getting better, since they've had a couple of articles about cycling which were quite positive and no mention of helmets, but I see I'm mistaken.

Since it's C5 but reported by the BBC, that's two complaints I'll have to make.

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Sriracha replied to eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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I was most saddened by her OH's solution - stop cycling. The BBC failed to make anything about the hostile environment cyclists are routinely expected to contend with and the consequent chilling effect on the uptake of cycling more generally.

No comment on the infrastructure, no censure for the driver - just one of those things, and wear your helmet otherwise it would have been the cyclist at fault.

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kingleo replied to Sriracha | 2 years ago
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Storm Huntley: about a thousand people are killed falling downstairs every year in the UK - so always wear a crash helmet if you are going up or downstairs, that means indoors as well.

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Nick T | 2 years ago
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At what point does a gravel bike with suspension forks become a hard tail mtb

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hawkinspeter replied to Nick T | 2 years ago
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Nick T wrote:

At what point does a gravel bike with suspension forks become a hard tail mtb

Flat handlebars

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Captain Badger replied to Nick T | 2 years ago
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Nick T wrote:

At what point does a gravel bike with suspension forks become a hard tail mtb

At the point where the manufacturers think that there's just enough difference to make people like me want one of each......

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wycombewheeler replied to Nick T | 2 years ago
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Nick T wrote:

At what point does a gravel bike with suspension forks become a hard tail mtb

about £3000

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OnYerBike | 2 years ago
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I haven't listend to the full Radio 2 show and I don't intend to because I think it would make me despair... Shame Duncan Dollimore couldn't make it as generally he seems to hold his own pretty well in a debate, which is high praise as cycling "debates" tend to be a bit like playing chess with a pigeon.

what gives them the right to block the road when there is a 30mph limit? nonono

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Captain Badger replied to OnYerBike | 2 years ago
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OnYerBike wrote:

I haven't listend to the full Radio 2 show and I don't intend to because I think it would make me despair... Shame Duncan Dollimore couldn't make it as generally he seems to hold his own pretty well in a debate, which is high praise as cycling "debates" tend to be a bit like playing chess with a pigeon.

what gives them the right to block the road when there is a 30mph limit? nonono

Nuts isn't I?. The original vid showed some cyclists studiously not blocking the road

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OnTheRopes replied to OnYerBike | 2 years ago
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I haven't (and won't ) listen to it. I do wish JV would not do these kind of shows, they are just designed to promote argument and the producers know this and it draws in lots of angry Daily Mail readers. I have in the past heard some of his similar cycling phone in shows whilst driving for work and end up just getting angry and stressed and switching off in annoyance.

It gets the listener numbers up though I suppose.

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HarrogateSpa replied to OnYerBike | 2 years ago
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'cycling "debates" tend to be a bit like playing chess with a pigeon'

Or 'never argue with a stupid person - they'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.' (Attributed to Mark Twain I think).

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Captain Badger | 2 years ago
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some bigoted driver wrote:

"because sometimes you have to get to a place [...] you might be late. If somebody is dawdling along at 14mph and this country lane spans several miles, you could be adding another hour on to your journey." 

Please please get this formulated as a maths question at GCSE

 

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PRSboy replied to Captain Badger | 2 years ago
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Captain Badger wrote:

some bigoted driver wrote:

"because sometimes you have to get to a place [...] you might be late. If somebody is dawdling along at 14mph and this country lane spans several miles, you could be adding another hour on to your journey." 

Please please get this formulated as a maths question at GCSE

 

Si Clist is riding his bike at an average speed of 14 mph down a country road.  Dick Head is in a car averaging 30 mph before he comes up behind Si and is stuck behind him for seven miles.  Dick writes on Twitter that he was delayed by Si for an hour.

a) How much longer does Dick's journey take as a result of being stuck behind Si?

b) What would Dick's average speed have to be in order for his statement of his delay to be true?

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Captain Badger replied to PRSboy | 2 years ago
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PRSboy wrote:

 

 

Si Clist is riding his bike at an average speed of 14 mph down a country road.  Dick Head is in a car averaging 30 mph before he comes up behind Si and is stuck behind him for seven miles.  Dick writes on Twitter that he was delayed by Si for an hour.

a) How much longer does Dick's journey take as a result of being stuck behind Si?

b) What would Dick's average speed have to be in order for his statement of his delay to be true?

That's a great start. We need to know the length of Dick's journey (quiet at the back!)

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andystow replied to Captain Badger | 2 years ago
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PRSboy wrote:

Si Clist is riding his bike at an average speed of 14 mph down a country road.  Dick Head is in a car averaging 30 mph before he comes up behind Si and is stuck behind him for seven miles.  Dick writes on Twitter that he was delayed by Si for an hour.

a) How much longer does Dick's journey take as a result of being stuck behind Si?

b) What would Dick's average speed have to be in order for his statement of his delay to be true?

The answer to (b) is simple: there is no possible speed that he could have been averaging that would allow Dick's journey to be delayed by an hour from being stuck behind a 14 MPH cyclist for seven miles (30 minutes.) Worst case, had he been previously travelling at the speed of light, he'd be delayed by 29:59.99996 seconds. Unfortunately, at anywhere close to the speed of light in an atmosphere, most cars turn into energy and exotic forms of matter, along with a lot of the other material in the surrounding few miles.

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