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Common courtesy or not my problem? Carnoustie Golf Club sign asks cyclists to "be still and quiet" on National Cycle Network path; Training like a world champion? Van Aert's 31km/h, 220km mountain day; Cav and G Jr. eye 2040 Tour + more on the live blog

Dan Alexander is in the live blog chair once again today, still trying to work out how it's September.....
02 September 2022, 15:47
Vuelta a España: Mads Pedersen wins stage 13

The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle impression worked...check one of the earlier live blog posts if you're now very confused...

Mads Pedersen added a Vuelta stage win to his one from the Tour de France, coincidentally also on stage 13. The Dane was head and shoulders, or shell and bandana, above the rest of the peloton today, kicking on the final ramp and easing to victory. Can an uphill sprint be won with an 'easing'? Probably not...

Fred Wright, who was second behind Pedersen on stage 13 of the Tour, finished fourth, Bryan Coquard and Pascal Ackermann getting second and third. In the GC picture there was no change, Remco taking red into a weekend double-header of summit finishes, Sunday's to 2,500m and the Sierra Nevada...

02 September 2022, 15:32
Except Wout van Aert, of course... otherwise I'd have one less thing to blog about
02 September 2022, 14:46
Your thoughts on Carnoustie asking cyclists and pedestrians to keep it down

Plenty of comments about this one...

SimoninSpalding commented: "On the golf sign, does it not make sense for the golfist to wait until the cyclist/ walker has moved away? I would have thought that knowing you have people waiting for you to play your shot so that they can get on with their chosen exercise/ pastime would be somewhat off-putting. Plus if I was paying £270 to wander around a ruined piece of Scottish coastline I would want my money's worth and stay there as long as I could."

PRSboy replied: "I suppose the scenario is, you are cycling along with your mate and note a golfer in the midst of taking a shot. The polite request is that you wait quietly for the shot to be taken before carrying on, which seems fair enough.  I'd imagine a golfer would wait until passers by had gone before getting ready for their shot."

Rendel Harris added: "If I'm riding near a course and come across a player about to make a stroke I will pause for them, however I have been in situations on some trails out in Kent where the trail either has right of way across the course or goes near a tee where a fourball has arrived on the tee and expects cyclists to wait until all four of them have played off, which I don't think is reasonable."

02 September 2022, 13:42
"We're luring bicyclists to their deaths": Husband of diplomat killed while cycling speaks out about road safety
Dan Langenkamp (WUSA9)

Days on from his emotional plea on WUSA9 Dan Langenkamp, the husband of Sarah Joan Langenkamp — a diplomat killed while riding her bike in Maryland last week — has once again spoken of being "livid" about the "way that Sarah died" and said the lack of safe infrastructure is "luring bicyclists to their deaths".

> "You can't just paint lines on roads and think you have bike lanes — those are just death traps": Emotional plea from husband of diplomat killed in collision

"I’m livid about the way that Sarah died," he told Streetsblog USA. "This just didn't need to happen. Cities are, rightly, trying to make themselves more liveable for those that do not want to rely on cars — but at this point, we as a society are only beginning to realise that we can't do it by just throwing paint on the streets… We're luring bicyclists to their deaths.

"Sarah and I have ridden our bikes on roads in Ukraine, in Uganda, in Côte d'Ivoire, but I feel more endangered on roads in the D.C. area than I did [in those countries]. I cannot tell you how many times we have almost been in crashes here because of the carelessness of drivers."

02 September 2022, 13:26
Spot the spotty bicycle and Teenage Mutant Ninja Danes at La Vuelta

Hot or not?

Same question for Mads Pedersen's get-up...

02 September 2022, 11:47
Common courtesy or not my problem? Carnoustie Golf Club sign asks cyclists to "be still and quiet" on National Cycle Network path

This one's caused a bit of discussion on the ol' blue bird app...

What do you reckon? Invitation to cyclists/walkers to make as much noise as possible, or polite request to be respectful of others? For context, not that the relative prestige of a particular golf club really changes the principle, this sign on National Cycle Network Route 1 next to a path that runs adjacent to the Carnoustie golf course, a venue currently advertised as £270 per round and a regular Open Championship host. 

Thoughts? 

02 September 2022, 10:34
Comment of the day: The most impressive thing about Wout's performance?
02 September 2022, 10:27
Podium contender Ayuso tests positive for Covid... continues Vuelta

UAE Team Emirates' Juan Ayuso will continue at the Vuelta a España despite returning a positive Covid test. The situation mirrors what happened to teammate Rafal Majka at the Tour de France, where both riders are "asymptomatic and analysing his [Ayuso's] PCR found he had a very low risk of infectivity"...

The news comes just days after Ayuso told the press he feared he had Covid after feeling under the weather ahead of the TT. He tested negative then, finished more than two minutes down that day, recovered enough to stay with Evenepoel yesterday, but has now tested positive for Covid.

An intriguing situation that might attract a few cynical comments from fans and rivals alike as it develops... 

02 September 2022, 10:24
Hold my beer...
02 September 2022, 09:07
Training like a world champion? Wout van Aert's 31km/h, 220km mountain day out
 

What could Wout van Aert possibly be training for that requires seven hours in the saddle and 4,000m of climbing? I'd hazard a guess it begins with 'UCI' and ends with 'Road World Championships Elite Men's Road Race'...just a guess though...

Three weeks on Sunday, Wout will line up, presumably as favourite to be the next wearer of the rainbow bands. With current holder Julian Alaphilippe out of the Vuelta clutching his collarbone and great rival Mathieu van der Poel making tentative steps (winning a local race in Belgium this week) to his post-Tour return, the WorldTour's all-conquering S̶w̶i̶s̶s̶  Belgian Army knife will fancy his chances on a lumpy course in Wollongong, Australia...

Wout van Aert Strava

Training on the challenging island mountain roads of Sardinia, Wout racked up a little short of 220km, seven hours on the dot, climbing 3,991m of elevation... all at an average speed of 31.2km/h (19.4mph). Strava estimates he burnt 7,388 calories (enough for 37 bottles of Duvel)...save that for after the race perhaps...

Thankfully for the rest of the field, Van Aert won't be using the Tour of Britain as his pre-Worlds warm up like last year. Great news for the peloton, less so for us watching...

02 September 2022, 10:07
(Dog) crap bike rack
02 September 2022, 09:51
Try explaining pro cycling to a friend who's never watched it...
02 September 2022, 08:14
Cav Jr. and G Jr. start training for 2040 Tour de France

Cervélo P5, disc wheel, 56x11...the only option...

Being slightly less facetious, just for a second, may we point you here, G...

> Best kids' bikes 2022 — everything from balance bikes to junior superbikes 

02 September 2022, 07:50
When there are so many cyclists there's a bike lane traffic jam...

This was the scene in one of London's cycle lanes yesterday morning...

The lane filled up with riders waiting to cross a junction as the lights were red, creating this 'traffic jam' of 16+ (maybe you've got better eyesight and can pin down the exact number) cyclists, showing the popularity of two-wheeled commuting.

One reply posed the question 'how many cars, probably with one person in them, could fit in the space taken by however many bike riders that is? Three? Four? Or conversely, 'how much further would the queue stretch if all the people on bikes were in cars?' I'm starting to see a pattern with urban mobility, effective use of space and transport for short-distance journeys...

Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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antigee | 1 year ago
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and when the golfists get their arrogant demands met for their own lane they rarely use it (and who paid for it!):

 

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antigee | 1 year ago
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Down under....the End Shared Path is routine when cyclists re-enter the road space...the Cyclist Dismount is an oddity at this type of location and seems only to exist to allow unimpeded access to the golf club car park:

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mattw replied to antigee | 1 year ago
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What do the cops do there if you don't dismount?

Do they really think it is safer to start from a standstill rather than say 10mph?

When I was in Sydney I got yanked and a lecture for crossing the road where it was safe to do so. Some weird stuff about the entire public realm being the constable's "office", and I should 'respect' it.

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CXR94Di2 | 1 year ago
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Long and steady builds big endurance. Let's face it, 19mph for VA is steady pace. Perfect training for world championship

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Awavey | 1 year ago
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On Jay Vines bike are those stickers or did they paint it up ? as I remember Sharon Laws once got a bike bedecked like that with stickers at the Women's Tour and the mechanics had a hell of a time trying to take them off again.

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Car Delenda Est | 1 year ago
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Bushes and trees could do a lot to muffle and block unwanted sounds and sights. The golf course should see to the needs of the golfers..

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bike.brain | 1 year ago
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I thought cycling was the new golf.

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eburtthebike | 1 year ago
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Since golf is already a good walk spoiled, a little bit of noise from pedestrians and cyclists is hardly going to ruin it any more.  Maybe golfers should take up something a little less silly?

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brooksby replied to eburtthebike | 1 year ago
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Given that I imagine every single one of those golfers would drive there, I wonder whether they have a traffic light system in the car park to stop people running their engines when someone's trying to make a shot? 

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Today's bit of fun. Must have been going at 40+ mph.

 

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IanMSpencer replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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I had a close pass on Tuesday that got me grumbling. What was odd was that on review, they fully entered the other side of the road - about 10 metres ahead, they clearly had mis-timed their pass so they were really close at my back wheel, quite close at the front, then down the road it was a great pass!

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eburtthebike replied to IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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IanMSpencer wrote:

I had a close pass on Tuesday that got me grumbling. What was odd was that on review, they fully entered the other side of the road - about 10 metres ahead, they clearly had mis-timed their pass so they were really close at my back wheel, quite close at the front, then down the road it was a great pass!

This is a pretty frequent occurance, and is explained by the fact that the driver was far too busy with their phone to spot you earlier, but they then do the exaggerated wide pass to show that they really respect cyclists.

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stonojnr | 1 year ago
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My reason today for not using a bike lane...there was a dog parked in it.

The owner had tied the lead of their dog to one of the traffic wands, in an LTN, whilst they popped into a nearby shop, so it had sat blocking the cycle lane, no hi viz,helmet,reg plate or anything.

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eburtthebike replied to stonojnr | 1 year ago
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Did it have a licence?

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Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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The golf course...
Is it a Public Highway /Right of Way that runs through/ along / whatever, or is it a pathway that the Public have access to?

If the former, then tough shit ... nothing they can do about it.

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Sniffer replied to Oldfatgit | 1 year ago
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The Land Reform act (2003) Scotland kind of makes that question irrelevant.

The public have access to most land and inland waterways with some exceptions like private gardens.

There will be no basis for ordering people to behave in the way described beside the golf course.  Whether golfers and path users can find a way of not impinging on the others hobby without confict is probably the way to think about this.

 

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SimoninSpalding | 1 year ago
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On the golf sign, does not to make sense for the golfist to wait until the cyclist/ walker has moved away? I would have thought that knowing you have people waiting for you to play your shot so that they can get on with their chosen exercise/ passtime would be somewhat offputting. Plus if I was paying £270 to wander around a ruined piece of Scottish coastline I would want my money's worth and stay there as long as I could.

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PRSboy replied to SimoninSpalding | 1 year ago
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I suppose the scenario is, you are cycling along with your mate and note a golfer in the midst of taking a shot.  The polite request is that you wait quietly for the shot to be taken before carrying on, which seems fair enough.  I'd imagine a golfer would wait until passers by had gone before getting ready for their shot.

Seems like the Twitterati getting upset about nothing and looking yobbish.

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dubwise replied to PRSboy | 1 year ago
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PRSboy wrote:

I'd imagine a golfer would wait until passers by had gone before getting ready for their shot.

mmm, nope.

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oceandweller replied to dubwise | 1 year ago
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Dubwise - oh dear! So cycnical & still so young.

Ime, yes, golfers *do* wait for others to move away. This sign is simply asking other users, such as walkers & cyclists, to return the favour. It seems to me little enough to ask of anyone.

We have several paths & bridleways crossing golf courses locally (cyclists, including me, mostly ignore the distinction unless the path has stiles or is very mud-prone) & my (& as far as I'm aware, everyone else's) experience is that golfers will wait if someone is crossing the fairway before they continue playing. All clubs have strict rules about not hitting a shot if there's any possibility of the ball striking anyone & ime the rules are widely respected. Many golfers have painful personal experience of what happens when the rules are ignored!

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Rendel Harris replied to PRSboy | 1 year ago
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PRSboy wrote:

I suppose the scenario is, you are cycling along with your mate and note a golfer in the midst of taking a shot.  The polite request is that you wait quietly for the shot to be taken before carrying on, which seems fair enough.  I'd imagine a golfer would wait until passers by had gone before getting ready for their shot.

I agree with you, if I'm riding near a course and come across a player about to make a stroke I will pause for them, however I have been in situations on some trails out in Kent where the trail either has right of way across the course or goes near a tee where a fourball has arrived on the tee and expects cyclists to wait until all four of them have played off, which I don't think is reasonable. Obviously I'm biased (although I played a fair bit of golf years ago, gave up because of the expense, the fact that I was clearly never going to get into a single figure handicap, and that I generally didn't really like the majority of people who played), but a cyclist who stops has to expend a whole lot of energy to get moving again, whereas a golfer who waits loses nothing, so I'd say the default etiquette should be golfer waits for cyclist, not the other way round.

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Hirsute replied to SimoninSpalding | 1 year ago
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It's best to wait behind the golfer - you don't want to get hit.

We walked on a golf course in Northumberland which has a public foopath in it.

I was trying to explain to my wife that the safest place was the middle of the fairway and not the footpath as the amateur golfers are not accurate. Sure enough later on they were looking for a lost ball right next to the footpath.

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Flâneur replied to SimoninSpalding | 1 year ago
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Sometimes with my disc brakes, I can either be still or be quiet, not both!

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Awavey replied to SimoninSpalding | 1 year ago
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Not that I've ever played golf, beyond a pitch n putt, but hard not to know those that do around here. And I think youd get in trouble with the golf course people if you were deemed to be holding other players up behind you, or going slow on a course like that, your allowed to let others advance ahead of your party, but they are strict on groups time spent on the course.

Which maybe the root of the sign if people have been using it as en excuse.

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Sriracha replied to SimoninSpalding | 1 year ago
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I'm sure the golfers, driving their modest family hatchbacks to and from the golf course, show every bit as much deference towards cyclists as they expect in return.

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The Larger Cyclist | 1 year ago
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Personally, if it ain't crazy it ain't golf!

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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Anyone seen this (rather depressing) story in the gRandiau?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/sep/01/i-will-never-ride-a...

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The proportion of adults in England who say they cycle at least once a month has fallen to 13.1%, the lowest figure since records began in 2015-16. Here, readers from around the UK explain why they have given up riding their bikes on the road.

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bobbinogs | 1 year ago
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Sorry, but there is clearly an error in the report that states "The lane filled up with riders waiting to cross a junction as the lights were red", we all know that all cyclists ignore all red lights, allegedly.

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Clem Fandango replied to bobbinogs | 1 year ago
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Yep - I call fake news on this.  Everyone knows that cyclists don't use cycle lanes.   That only drivers pay for (or something).

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Steve K replied to bobbinogs | 1 year ago
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bobbinogs wrote:

Sorry, but there is clearly an error in the report that states "The lane filled up with riders waiting to cross a junction as the lights were red", we all know that all cyclists ignore all red lights, allegedly.

Pretty much word to word on one of the replies Rory got to his tweet.  Along with accusations the picture was faked, and saying the lane would be empty on a cold morning in January (I suggested he book marked that one).

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