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Wiebes wins after massive crash at Tour Femmes; New cycle lane turned into ‘VIP drivers route’ for Commonwealth Games; Did Erik ten Hag influence Jumbo-Visma Tour win?; “A reminder of how much danger cars pose to folks on bikes” + more on the live blog

What do you mean, it’s only Thursday? With two whole days to go until the weekend, Ryan Mallon is here to keep you going with all the latest cycling action on the live blog
28 July 2022, 16:23
Jumbo-Visma cross the line on the Champs-Élysées at the 2022 Tour de France (Zac Williams, SWpix.com)
From Carrington to the Col du Galibier: Manchester United boss Erik ten Hag inspired Jumbo-Visma’s ‘total cycling’ tactics at Tour de France

On Tuesday we had Sir Dave Brailsford flogging his marginal gain philosophy to the footballers of newly oil rich Newcastle United – now it’s Jumbo-Visma’s turn for a quirky football-cycling crossover…

With the appointment of Erik ten Hag this summer, Manchester United fans are more optimistic for the season ahead than they have been in quite a long time.

(Don’t worry, I’ll get to the cycling in a minute…)

Following last season’s abject misery, the vibes-based gameplans of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer during the previous few years (though I’ll argue with anyone who slanders the baby-faced assassin), and the ultra-negative anti-football of the Jose Mourinho era, former Ajax boss Ten Hag has arrived this summer with the reputation of a tactically shrewd manager in favour of fluid, attacking football.

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A.S.O./Charly Lopez

Much like the United team of the past nine years, Jumbo-Visma had a plethora of big names and a fearsome reputation, but until this season little to show for all that star power at the Tour de France, at least where the battle for the yellow jersey was concerned.

At the 2020 Tour, Jumbo-Visma’s defensive, Mourinho-esque tactics failed spectacularly under the weight of Tadej Pogačar’s heavy metal cycling (that’s a Jurgen Klopp reference, in case you were wondering) on the Planche des Belle Filles.

So last winter, the Dutch team went back to the drawing board – which included calling upon the current top football manager in the Netherlands, oddly enough.

“Someone who has helped me a lot is Erik ten Hag,” Jumbo’s DS, Merijn Zeeman, told NOS this week.

“Someone from a completely different sport, but I wanted to understand from him: how do you come up with tactics? What is the essence of your sport for you?

“Before you make a game plan, what's behind that? I've had the opportunity to talk to him about that a number of times.”

Jonas Vingegaard, stage 18, 2022 Tour de France (A.S.O., Pauline Ballet)

A.S.O./Pauline Ballet

A working group comprised of the team’s sports directors was formed – presumably thanks to Ten Hag’s sage guidance – to explore how best to deal with the Pogačar problem.

Zeeman added: “We also asked guys who collect the data in the background to think along.

“With central questions such as: what can we do better, what are we not doing well, what are our competitors doing? We held a lot of sessions. All in the winter.

“Because with great talents such as Wout van Aert, Primož Roglič, Jonas Vingegaard and Steven Kruijswijk in your team, you can also come up with different tactics.

“Just as good football coaches have good football players at their disposal with whom they can win matches, we can also make plans because you have good riders at your disposal.

“Then we really started preparing for the Tour. We had already done quite a lot of reconnaissance. We knew the course better and better. And we also knew what Pogačar was especially good at. But at the top of the agenda was always that one question: where are his weaknesses?

“We were still looking for that. What are his pitfalls, where is his weakness, what kind of team does he have, where can we hit them? And how do you translate that into our qualities in the course?”

2022 Tour de France, stage 11 (A.S.O., Charly Lopez)

A.S.O./Charly Lopez

After all this recon, analysis, data-harvesting and excruciating use of football metaphors (oh wait, that’s me), Jumbo-Visma’s work finally bore fruit on the Col du Galibier.

On that Alpine giant, the Dutch team – in a display of fluid, attacking cycling and physical and tactical supremacy – took the race to Pogačar, as Vingegaard and Roglič consistently attacked the Slovenian, until the Dane issued the final blow on the Col du Granon.

If Ten Hag can come up with something half as thrilling and unpredictable as that at Old Trafford, United fans will be very happy indeed.

28 July 2022, 15:42
GOATs doing GOAT things
28 July 2022, 14:31
Lorena Wiebes once again proves she’s the fastest sprinter in the world with convincing second Tour stage win, as Elisa Longo Borghini takes wrong turn

Team DSM’s Dutch sprinter Lorena Wiebes once again proved she’s the fastest woman on the planet, outsprinting world champion Elisa Balsamo and yellow jersey Marianne Vos to take her second stage win of the Tour in Saint-Dié-des-Vosges.

Following the longest stage of the race, a rolling 175.6km, Wiebes – who took the Tour opening stage on the Champs-Elysées on Sunday – capitalised on Trek-Segafredo’s textbook lead out (which included, however, one key error, which we’ll get to in a minute), jumping with just over 200 metres to go to comfortably beat Balsamo and Vos by two bike lengths.

Until around 400 metres to go, Balsamo’s Trek team had played the relatively straightforward finale to perfection (one pesky downhill right hander with 1.5km to go did catch out Canyon-Sram’s Elise Chabbey, who hit the deck).

First the imperious Ellen van Dijk and then Elisa Longo Borghini, hoping to repay Balsamo’s expert teamwork earlier in the race, kept the pace high at the front.

As the peloton entered the final chicane, however, Longo Borghini – presumably following the lead motorbike – took a wrong turn, switching left down the race vehicle's entrance as the route turned to the right.

While the former Italian champion’s mishap stalled the momentum in the bunch, there was no mistaking who was the fastest on the day, as Wiebes exploded out of the melee to take a dominant win.

Longo Borghini may come to rue her wrong turn in the days to come – the GC contender lost nine seconds to her main rivals and now sits 34 seconds behind Vos in fourth.

Another rider ruing an unnecessary mistake is Human Powered Health’s Barbara Malcotti, who was disqualified by the commissaires for receiving mechanical assistance from a team car that had stopped in front of the peloton (all bike and wheel changes should be made from behind the peloton and the commissaire’s car in the race convoy).

A rookie error (which has also seen the likes of Adam Blythe and Filippo Ganna disqualified for in the past) and one Malcotti can rightfully blame on her team directors.

2022 Tour de France Femmes, stage 5 crash (GCN)

While the commissaires were busy, so was the medical car, with the stage affected by a dramatic mass pile up that occurred with around 45km to go, which saw Movistar’s Emma Norsgaard taken to hospital with a suspected broken collarbone. Lotte Kopecky, one the favourites for the final kick, also struggled in the wake of the crash and could only manage eleventh in the end.

But there was no stopping Wiebes, who can suffer during the upcoming mountain stages with two stages wins safely in her back pocket.

28 July 2022, 14:06
Northern Ireland cyclist set for return to Commonwealth Games – 12 years after competing as a runner

When Joanna Patterson competed on the athletics track for Northern Ireland at the 2010 Commonwealth Games in Delhi, she could barely have imagined that the next time she would be racing at the Games would be 12 years later… and on two wheels.

In Dehli, the then-22-year-old Patterson ran for Northern Ireland in the 400m and 4x400m relay events.

Despite her promise on the track, the 2010 Commie Games would prove the pinnacle of her athletics career. Life simply got in the way – the Ballymoney native had just started a medicine degree at Glasgow. The long hours and pressure of her chosen career inevitably ate into her training, with running eventually falling by the wayside.

“I never think I properly fulfilled my potential in athletics," Patterson told BBC Northern Ireland this week.

“It's always a regret that I have. I love the track, even now a few times a year I'll go to the track and do a random session because I do miss it.

“It's happened now so I can't really change things. At my age now, to be competitive at that level, I think when you hit 30 in athletics it does get really difficult and you do see your performance declining so I don't think it's something I could get back to at that level.”

However, the urge to compete never fully left Patterson. Four years ago, she began to dabble in triathlon, before devoting her attention to cycling.

It didn’t take long for her to get up to speed. In 2021, and based in Scotland (where she has lived since her university days), Patterson took the CTT 100 mile and 50 mile titles, before beating double Paralympic gold medal winner Eve McCrystal to the Irish national time trial championship. Last week, she smashed the CTT 100 mile record by over five minutes, taking the title again in a time of 3.36:41.

“In cycling I look at the Olympic champions from the past, and actually if you look at the last number of Olympics the time trial champions are all in their mid-thirties," she says.

“It motivates me to know that I've still got time in cycling and I'm still on that progression curve. A lot of that does come from the regret of not fulfilling my potential in athletics.”

Patterson’s rapid progression on the bike occurred despite a horrific training crash in Spain, where she fell into a concrete ditch, suffering concussion and losing most of the vision in her left eye. Her vision remains peripheral and blurred to this day, but she says she has grown used to it.

“After that everyone was saying it would be difficult to cycle with bad vision in your left eye, but these things make you more determined.

“It doesn't really stop me. The only thing is that 3D perception can be a bit of an issue at times, but it's something I've had to deal with and I've learned my own methods of dealing with it as I ride.”

Patterson will once again line up at the start of a Commonwealth Games race next Thursday in Birmingham, when she takes part in the women’s time trial. She forms part of a promising Northern Ireland team that includes Lydia Boylan, Matthew Teggart (fresh from a strong Rás Tailteann last month), exciting prospect Darren Rafferty (who won the U23 Strade Bianche di Romagna in May), and Alice Sharpe.

Highly rated 22-year-old JB Murphy won’t be at the Games, however, after sustaining serious injuries in a crash at last week’s Grand Prix de la Ville de Pérenchies in France.

For Patterson, this year’s Games in Birmingham mean even more than Dehli 12 years ago.

“When I finished athletics I thought I was too old to start a new sport, or that I could start a new sport but I'd never get to the same level in it," she says.

“I never, ever thought it would happen. But it's amazing that it has.”

28 July 2022, 13:11
2022 Tour de France Femmes, stage 5 crash (GCN)
Massive pile-up in Tour de France Femmes stage: Emma Norsgaard abandons

Compared to the frenetic racing that’s been an almost constant at this year’s Tour de France Femmes, today’s stage to Saint-Dié-des-Vosges has been a rather calm affair, with the peloton happy to let a break of four dangle out in front before the inevitable bunch kick.

But this is the Tour de France, after all, and even the most benign days can change in a flash.

2022 Tour de France Femmes crash stage 5 (GCN)

With 45 kilometres to go, a touch of wheels close to the front resulted in a massive pile-up, with almost half of the peloton hitting the deck.

White jersey Julie de Wilde and second place Silvia Persico were caught up in the mass crash but appear to be fine, while Chantal van den Broek-Blaak has been seen sporting some bandages on her right arm after sustaining some nasty cuts.

2022 Tour de France Femmes crash, stage 5 (GCN)

Worst affected, however, was Movistar’s Emma Norsgaard, who looked in some pain while being treated by the race doctor. The Dane, who was expected to play a key domestique role for Annemiek van Vleuten, has since abandoned the race, the race organisers have confirmed.

Emma Norsgaard abandons Tour Femmes, stage 5 (GCN)

We’ll keep you posted with any updates when we get them.

28 July 2022, 12:00
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Sidi Sports bought by leading Italian investment company for €66 million

Italian cycling shoe manufacturer Sidi Sports has been bought by the private equity firm Italmobiliare for €66 million, reports Cycling Industry News.

According to the investment holding company, whose portfolio has a net asset value of €2 billion, the purchase of Sidi represents the latest step in the firm’s strategy to invest in innovative companies with ‘Made in Italy’ brands.

Founded in 1960 by Dino Signori, Sidi has become one of the most iconic, prestigious and legendary shoe brands in the cycling world. Their shoes have been worn to many a grand tour victory down the years, including by Tao Geoghegan Hart at the 2020 Giro d’Italia. In 2021, the company had a turnover of almost €38 million.

> Your guide to Sidi cycling shoes

“I am proud of this deal which respects my history as an entrepreneur over the last sixty years or more. It will ensure that the company can grow even stronger and more competitive” Signori said in a statement.

“Italmobiliare – and Carlo Pesenti who I have come to know and respect – will be able to give continuity to the values and ideas that I have always pursued, consolidating and strengthening Sidi’s traditions and products. I thank my family and all of our employees for their efforts that have allowed us to achieve such brilliant results.”

Carlo Pesenti, Italmobiliare’s CEO added: “With this new transaction, Italmobiliare is expanding its presence in the sports and outdoor market, in a sector that features high growth and further development potential.

“The decision to invest in Sidi is based on the value of a winning brand that is much appreciated, the company’s production efficiency and its potential for future growth.

“For Italmobiliare, this new acquisition is a further step in our strategy of enhancing and strengthening successful Italian brands that are worth accompanying, also in terms of their global development.”

28 July 2022, 11:41
Holy relentless attacking for green jersey points, Batman!

Fair play to Jonas and Wout for opting for the white trainers, jeans, and beige chinos commuter look… 

28 July 2022, 11:00
Meanwhile, in Utrecht

Not too shabby for a city that built a 12-lane motorway in the 1960s… 

28 July 2022, 10:33
Now, that’s a touring bike!

Very cool. 

28 July 2022, 09:41
“A reminder of how much danger cars pose to folks on bikes”: Cycling Twitter reacts to Mavi García horror crash

Spanish champion Mavi García’s horror crash during stage four of the Tour de France Femmes, which we covered on yesterday’s blog, has sparked some heated debate on Cycling Twitter.

García’s miserable day on the gravel roads of France’s champagne country – she had already been forced to chase back on after puncturing twice on the rough, rock-strewn roads – was compounded when her own UAE Team ADQ team car driver clipped her back wheel, causing her to hit the ground hard.

Fortunately, García – by some miracle – escaped with just some bad road rash and cuts, and no broken bones.

While I’m sure every cycling fan was relieved to see the 38-year-old back on her bike and seemingly okay, viewers were nevertheless divided over who was to blame for the terrifying collision:

Cycling journalist Peter Flax, meanwhile, argued that the crash symbolised the inherent dangers posed by motorists and cars to cyclists, even during the biggest bike race in the world:

Others, however, including Robert Davis (chair of the Road Danger Reduction Forum), pointed out the multi-layered complexity of driving a car at the Tour de France, where – frankly – actually driving the car is pretty far down the list of priorities:

Though to be fair, that’s a relatively short list of distractions compared to some of the motorists featured on road.cc…

28 July 2022, 09:20
I Want To Break Free (from Pogačar): Jonas Vingegaard or Freddie Mercury?

All together now, Wembley- I mean, Copenhagen: ‘All we hear is, Radio Vin-Ga-Ga, Radio Vin-Ga-Ga…’

Alright, I’ll stop now… though I was having such a good time [ducks for cover]…

Nevertheless, have I ever told you about the time Freddie Mercury was inspired to write the single ‘Bicycle Race’ after watching the 1978 Tour de France pass through Montreux, where the band was recording what became the Jazz album?

Oh, I have? That’s fine then…

28 July 2022, 08:57
New Birmingham cycle lane turned into ‘VIP drivers route’ for Commonwealth Games

Everyone’s favourite 1950s throwback, the Commonwealth Games, kicks off this evening in Birmingham, as the Alexander Stadium plays host to the 12-day event’s opening ceremony.

And, as we noted on the blog yesterday, locals and visitors are being encouraged to get around the city and take in all the sporting action by bike, with both Transport for West Midlands and Brompton offering free bike hire during the course of the Games. 

However, not everyone is impressed by Birmingham’s active travel provision for the Games.

Izzy Knowles, a Birmingham City Council member for the Lib Dems, tweeted earlier this week that she had flagged up “confusing signage” on the recently installed cycle lane on the Edgbaston Road.

The new segregated bike lane, which sits just outside Edgbaston Stadium, where the women’s T20 cricket will be played, appears to have been repurposed as a ‘VIP lane’ for the Games.

“I don’t quite see how this fits in with promoting walking and cycling, or why it’s even needed when the road is to be closed to traffic,” Knowles wrote.

The councillor for Moseley also told the Birmingham Mail: “I went down to have a look and you could see drivers getting confused whether they were going straight or turning left and being directed down the cycle lane.

“What I'm told is it's been turned into a temporary VIP lane for VIP visitors to the stadium, although I'm not sure why it's needed when the road is being closed to cars during the Games anyway.

“The signage doesn't really explain what road users are expected to do so I have flagged that up with the council. Of course, security does have to be considered so maybe this will become clearer by the time the Games start on Thursday.”

Many locals were as equally baffled by the decision to temporarily “commandeer” the new bike lane for “VIP drivers”.

“I don't get it,” one Twitter user wrote. “This piece of cycle infrastructure finished just before the Commonwealth Games, isn't to be used for the Commonwealth Games? Or they've gone in a very weird way to build a VIP car lane?!

“I keep getting communications saying ‘walking or cycling will be the easiest way to get to the Games’. Doesn't look like it from these photos.”

Another said: “Birmingham takes an *extraordinarily* long time to build any decent segregated infrastructure... and then when we do *finally* get some more, it's during an international sporting competition where I've received *daily* reminders to walk or cycle, IT'S BEING USED FOR CARS!”

Others were perplexed by the road signage at the entrance to the bike/celebrity motorists lane, which simultaneously urges cyclists to dismount and share the path with pedestrians.

“If it's a shared path why would cyclists need to dismount?” one commuter asked. “Either you can cycle there – so the dismount signs and barriers can get in the bin – or you can't, so it isn't a shared path.”

Responding to questions about the closed cycle lane, a spokesperson for Birmingham City Council said: “Due to the need for security measures that protect the stadium, the newly-installed segregated cycle lane has had to be removed on a temporary basis.

“The street will still be open during the Commonwealth Games at Edgbaston for pedestrians and cyclists although we are asking them to be considerate when sharing the footway on the Cannon Hill side.”

Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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darnac | 1 year ago
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Ré the TdFF crash: Laurent Jalabert in his French TV commentary à couple of seconds before the crash was saying it was a more relaxed day's racing!

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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Taken from the Teenage cyclist to stand trial after pedestrian seriously injured story:

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Speaking to LBC’s Nick Ferrari on the changes to the Highway Code due to come into force at the end of January, Shapps said: “The purpose of the changes is if you drive a lorry, you should give way to a van, which will give way to a car, which will give way to a cyclist, which will give way to a pedestrian. These are just common-sense changes to protect everybody.

I'm still not convinced that that is a message which has filtered out to the hard-pressed motoring public... 

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VIPcyclist | 1 year ago
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"Everyone’s favourite 1950s throwback, the Commonwealth Games". Is it possible a road.cc journalist is an anti-Imperialist Marxist? Whatever next!

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Ryan Mallon replied to VIPcyclist | 1 year ago
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I'm saying nothing...

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chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Not commenting on the case in the "teenage cyclist to stand trial..." article (and not just because comments disallowed, but:

road.cc wrote:

While e-scooters outside authorised public hire schemes are not legal for use in the UK other than on private land, people who ride them on the public highway who injure or kill other road users would by contrast be prosecuted under road traffic laws such as causing death by carless driving, ...

I can't help it, you got me!

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Seagull2 | 1 year ago
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Utrecht , no helmets, no high vis, no insurance, no road tax, bikes massively outnumber motorised vehicles , an utter hellscape, God forbid that this should be emulated in other countries 

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chrisonabike replied to Seagull2 | 1 year ago
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"Not all of us can be dressed for the destination, not the journey", Eric Pickles didn't say some years back,  "Nor are we a nation of [insert any stereotypes like 'socialist' / 'clog-wearing' / 'dope-smoking' / 'windmill-fanciers' here ] types thank goodness".

I'd say he was not wildly out of line with that government, nor his party - nor even with many in other parties.

(What he actually said was "Don’t be such a puritan. Not all of us can pedal up and down in rubber knickers you know; we need to find balance. Of course, let’s encourage cycling and walking, and we need to make cycling safer, but let us not treat people in cars like the enemy!")

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brooksby replied to Seagull2 | 1 year ago
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On my commute I think it's busy if there are more than a couple of other cyclists waiting in the ASL...

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IanMK | 1 year ago
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This story as well:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trucker-deliberately-crashed-lorry-...

"The court was told that Wellington, who has 24 previous convictions, was on bail at the time with a condition not to go near the mum-of-two."

How on earth can anyone believe that rule H1 can be applied when you allow drivers that clearly have no sense of responsibility at all, are allowed to drive the most dangerous vehicles (or in fact any vehicle).

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brooksby replied to IanMK | 1 year ago
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Solicitor-advocate Iain Paterson, defending, said Wellington was ‘remorseful’ and had genuinely believed that there was no-one in the house at the time.

He said Wellington had been an HGV driver ‘for a decade or so’ and the incident might mean he could never return to the profession.

Mr Paterson said: ‘If he could turn back the clock he would.’

Erm - "might" mean he could never return to the profession????

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nosferatu1001 replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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"The High Court in Stirling heard Ms Cassidy begged him not to come to her home as there were children inside and offered to meet him nearby"
I call bollocks on "genuinely believed there was no one in the house". That's a lie. A barefaced lie. 
 

I bet somehow he'll just get his licence back. 

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IanMK | 1 year ago
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The state of active travel in New York. Interesting read.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/road-violence-sweeps-the-streets-of...

 

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NOtotheEU replied to IanMK | 1 year ago
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IanMK wrote:

The state of active travel in New York. Interesting read.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/road-violence-sweeps-the-streets-of...

In the movies they always show a New York pedestrian shouting "Hey, I'm walking here!" and the driver shouting back "Hey, I'm driving here!" both with Italian American accents. In my experience it really is like this, total chaos 24 hours a day with no respite from the blaring horns of vehicles. I've seen a beer delivery truck run a red light and drive between an ambulance and a firetruck attending an accident at the same junction!

San Francisco however seems to have changed completely in between my last two visits (1991 & 2018) as drivers now seem to give way to peds at every opportunity and every 2nd car is a Prius.

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP replied to NOtotheEU | 1 year ago
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Yea, New York is full of Italian Americans shouting. It's like in the movies (and there are not that many tbh) set in the midlands and all you get is that whiny, rather monotone accent, only hitting one note, usually a low one, and sticking to it no matter what. This lack of aural variation may be the primary reason why the Brummie accent has such a negative reputation. 

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP | 1 year ago
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Or maybe just people like you deciding to deride it everytime he posts something. Getting abit tiresome now. 

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mdavidford replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 1 year ago
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To be fair, having chosen that username, they're kind of committed now.

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hawkinspeter (not verified) replied to mdavidford | 1 year ago
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mdavidford wrote:

To be fair, having chosen that username, they're kind of committed now.

It's easy to change your username.

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hawkinspeter replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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Anonymous wrote:

mdavidford wrote:

To be fair, having chosen that username, they're kind of committed now.

It's easy to change your username.

Although Road.cc seems to think I'm anonymous now

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mdavidford replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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Anonymous wrote:

mdavidford wrote:

To be fair, having chosen that username, they're kind of committed now.

It's easy to change your username.

Surely not? I can't think of anyone who's done such a thing before.

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NOtotheEU replied to BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP | 1 year ago
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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP wrote:

Yea, New York is full of Italian Americans shouting. It's like in the movies (and there are not that many tbh) set in the midlands and all you get is that whiny, rather monotone accent, only hitting one note, usually a low one, and sticking to it no matter what. This lack of aural variation may be the primary reason why the Brummie accent has such a negative reputation. 

The accents are from the movies, the noise and chaos is from real life experience. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

I've got no problem with you not liking Birmingham. I was born in Henley on Thames and I've lived in High Wycombe, Grays, Blackheath and Charlton and to be honest I never wanted to live here but I've made a life here so I'm happy.

If you're after a negative response though I'm sorry, live and let live is more my style.

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to NOtotheEU | 1 year ago
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When I was there in 2013, an ambulance with the blues and twos came up behind a white van equivalent at some lights, it used its loud hailer to ask the van to move to the other lane. That was met with a one digit response directed back at the Ambulance from the driver and no movement. 

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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Bicycle graveyards: why do so many bikes end up underwater? (Grauniad)

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2022/jul/28/bicycle-graveyards-...

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hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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Hmmm, "Security Measures" is it?

Obviously, it's easier to search cars for weapons and bombs than it is a bike - I mean, who knows what could be fitted into a frame tube or seat pack?

To a cynic, it would seem to be a case of publicly telling people one thing whilst having a very different priority and agenda in private. That seems to be the way that the UK approaches travel infrastructure.

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brooksby replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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They close off all the bike stands on the Centre in Bristol, whenever there's a military march or remembrance sunday thing.

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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brooksby wrote:

They close off all the bike stands on the Centre in Bristol, whenever there's a military march or remembrance sunday thing.

I hope they clear out the car parks too and move any parked vehicle.

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brooksby replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

Hmmm, "Security Measures" is it?

Obviously, it's easier to search cars for weapons and bombs than it is a bike - I mean, who knows what could be fitted into a frame tube or seat pack?

To a cynic, it would seem to be a case of publicly telling people one thing whilst having a very different priority and agenda in private. That seems to be the way that the UK approaches travel infrastructure.

It is odd.  If it is a 'security thing' then why are cars being allowed there?  Why not just close off the whole road to all vehicles (motor or other)?

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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brooksby wrote:

It is odd.  If it is a 'security thing' then why are cars being allowed there?  Why not just close off the whole road to all vehicles (motor or other)?

But "transport"... how will the (tick favourites) old / children / disabled / families get there / taxi drivers need a living / people need to get to their offices or from their houses / emergency vehicles / VIPs or slebs who need protection?

I'd be perfectly happy with people on bikes having to make the same compromises and adjustments around access as people driving.  (There would likely always be extra disruption because bikes can and should go into more dense urban environments).  If it worked both ways.  But it doesn't.  So it's the usual chicken and egg of "well, there's very little cycling and a small amount of walking now.  So although we say we want change we only want it if things don't change".

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chrisonabike replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Anyway, it's not a problem, we're just being entitled (note the warning):

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“The street will still be open during the Commonwealth Games at Edgbaston for pedestrians and cyclists although we are asking them to be considerate when sharing the footway on the Cannon Hill side.”

"The scraps are on the floor there, help yourselves!  I don't want to see any pushing and shoving though."

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hawkinspeter replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

Anyway, it's not a problem, we're just being entitled (note the warning):

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“The street will still be open during the Commonwealth Games at Edgbaston for pedestrians and cyclists although we are asking them to be considerate when sharing the footway on the Cannon Hill side.”

"The scraps are on the floor there, help yourselves!  I don't want to see any pushing and shoving though."

Hey look at those scraps over there that landed in dog poop - the cyclists aren't eating them so maybe we should take back all the scraps if some of them aren't being consumed. Ungrateful bastards!

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Roulereo replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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It's almost as if governments, police forces, anti-terorrism forces, etc. are now assuming they can just do whatever they like to the public, given all the bedwetting and pathetic handing over of all rights and freedoms over the past two years in the guise of protection from a virus with a 99% survival rate. Having a very different priority and agenda in private? Never. 

Klaus Schwab thanks you all btw.  

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