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Panorama's 'Road Rage: Cars v Bikes' reaches the masses... with painfully predictable outcome (+ anti-cycling bingo tally); Quintana loses appeal against Tour DQ; View from the Netherlands; Pogačar v Vingegaard... on FIFA + more on the live blog

It's Thursday and Dan Alexander is once again live blogging whilst intermittently stuffing dry newspaper into his shoes... thanks, British autumn weather.....
03 November 2022, 17:45
Have a good evening...

The live blog will be back same time and place tomorrow...

Until then enjoy this snap of an advent calendar errand with the perfect tool for the job...

You didn't see that on Panorama, did you? 

03 November 2022, 16:35
Police 'day of action' lands £8,000 haul of suspected stolen bikes
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The Daily Echo reports that police in Bournemouth recovered eight bicycles and one e-scooter, worth an estimated £8,400, during a 'day of action' along with Beryl bikes in the town centre last week.

> Three quarters of Brits don't expect police to bother investigating bike thefts

The 'mobile technology' the force and Beryl deployed has not been reported, but constable Chris Lee said they had been able to "work with a partner in the private sector to utilise the latest technology and resulted in a significant number of suspected stolen items being recovered. I am grateful to Beryl for the assistance they have provided." Mysterious.

Three teenagers are assisting officers with their enquiries as the investigation into the stolen bikes continues.

03 November 2022, 15:42
Bristol City Council to debate how city can be made safer for cyclists
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[📷: Sam Saunders cc-sa-2.0]

The BBC reports that councillors in Bristol are to debate how to make cyclists safer in the city following a petition signed by thousands calling for more bike lanes and secure storage.

> "Omnishambles" cycle lane fenced off just one week after opening

A full council meeting on 8 November will be the scene of the discussions, with campaigners calling for a comprehensive network of safe cycling routes, rather than "piecemeal" lanes.

"We feel there seems to be a retrograde step in the approach towards cycling," chair of the Bristol Cycling Campaign Ian Pond said. "We have seen progress in Bristol with short sections of cycleways but they don't join up very well."

03 November 2022, 14:19
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road.cc and our parent company F-At Digital is hiring again, and this time we're looking for a knowledgeable and enthusiastic tech writer. If you love bikes and want to write about them for a living, this is the job for you...

You can find all the details here...

03 November 2022, 12:45
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03 November 2022, 12:25
"My resounding thoughts are that it felt like a missed opportunity": Your views on Panorama

Let's do some more of your reviews and thoughts...

Cartoon by TwistedDoodles...

peted76: "Watched it last night and my resounding thoughts are that it felt like a missed opportunity' and 'it could have been worse'...

"I was miffed that there wasn't any mention of the economic benefits to cycling mentioned (less pressure on the NHS being a headline) and no focus on pollution as I could determine either. 

"It was a bit fluffy for what 'should' have been a more hard-hitting programme."

Bungle_52 commented on Anna Holligan's Tweet... "From the article: 'Watching from the Netherlands, the UK looks like a different universe. What causes this aggression? Here in NL drivers are all cyclists too, tomorrow it could be you in the saddle — but surely it's more complex than that?'

"I don't think it is, it really is that simple."

exilegareth was even more critical of the programme: "Just about everything about the programme was wrong [...] If this was on Gbeebies, or Channel 5, you'd dismiss it out of hand as just another example of lowest common denominator TV, but this was publicly funded by a channel and programme strand that are supposed to exemplars of quality."

BalladOfStruth: "I haven't watched it (I doubt it'll be good for my blood pressure), but it does seem that they've missed a very good opportunity to dispel some long-standing cycling myths.

"Seeing as the 'trailer' points out that 28 per cent of motorists don't view cyclists as equal partners on the road, that 33 per cent don't think cyclists should be on the road at all, and most of the replies on Twitter seem to start with some form of "iF cYclIsTS aCTuAllY PaID RoAD tAx!", I can't help but think that the BBC could have devoted at least some of the runtime setting the record straight on some topics."

Here's road.cc Simon's in-depth look at the episode...

03 November 2022, 12:06
Jay Vine signs for UAE Team Emirates

FIFA tournaments, route reveals and bike sponsor switches aside it's the time of year for pro cycling transfers. Today's big news is double Vuelta stage winner Jay Vine is off to be teammates with Tadej Pogačar next year at UAE Team Emirates...

No sign yet if Vine will be given the João Almeida treatment and sent to the Giro/Vuelta to chase his own ambitions or if he'll slot into Pogačar's ever-improving GC line up...

Vine: "I'm really excited to be joining UAE Team Emirates. With their strong combination of riders and their GC experience, this was the next logical step in my career.

"I'm really grateful for the opportunities Alpecin has given me, and how they’ve helped me find my place in the peloton. I'm motivated for the new season with UAE, and eager to further refine my GC ambitions whilst helping the boys kick some goals."

03 November 2022, 11:51
Nairo Quintana loses appeal against Tour de France disqualification for tramadol infringement
Nairo Quintana 2022 TDF (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

[📷: Zac Williams/SWpix.com]

Nairo Quintana has lost his Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) appeal against his disqualification from this year's Tour de France for an infringement of the in-competition ban on tramadol. 

In a brief statement the UCI commented:

This decision reinforces the validity of the tramadol ban in the UCI Medical Regulations in order to protect the health and safety of riders. 

Quintana returned blood samples from two stages of the Tour de France which showed the presence of tramadol and its two main metabolites.

> World Anti-Doping Agency set to ban painkiller tramadol

 Infringements of the in-competition ban on using tramadol are offences under the UCI Medical Rules. They do not constitute anti-doping rule violations and are instead seen as necessary to protect riders' health. Consequently Quintana was not suspended from competition, but did lose his sixth place and stage results.

03 November 2022, 11:22
Tadej Pogačar v Jonas Vingegaard... on FIFA
Pogačar and Vingegaard descend the Galibier on the way to their Tour-defining showdown on the Col du Granon (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

[📷: Zac Williams/SWpix.com]

Tadej Pogačar and Jonas Vingegaard, the new generation dominating the Tour de France, could be about to lock horns once again. Their latest competition won't be a bike race across France, however, but instead quite possibly a FIFA World Championship for pro cyclists.

The popular football video game is seemingly played by more than a few of the men's peloton, with Marc Hirschi, Alessandro Covi, Felix Großschartner, Diego Ulissi, Samuele Battistella, Vincenzo Nibali, Domenico Pozzovivo and Biniam Girmay amongst the riders who have already paid their €50 entry fee to the gaming showdown. The winner will take home a cool £1,000...

The tournament will be streamed on Twitch on 15 December and VeloNews is reporting Vingegaard's agent has been approached to see if the Tour champ wants to put his FIFA reputation on the line...

03 November 2022, 09:56
Here we go again...
03 November 2022, 08:55
BBC Panorama's 'Road Rage: Cars v Bikes' reaches the masses (+ episode anti-cycling bingo tally)

After a day of interest from mainly the cycling community, Panorama's 'Road Rage: Cars v Bikes' went live on air at 8pm last night on BBC One, shooting it into the homes of many more viewers...

BBC Panorama

Perhaps painfully predictably the episode has attracted the usual reaction from those without Highway Code knowledge spouting falsehoods, and those who — whatever was broadcast — would still rant and rave about number plates, insurance, licences, red light jumping, two abreast riding and just about any other tediously boring anti-cycling buzzword.

Now, I should probably be more Chris Boardman about the whole thing...

> "Don't give it air time. Don't answer stupid questions": Chris Boardman shuts down cycling registration 'debate'

But part of the criticism of the episode from many is that it, not helped by that dreadfully culture-warring title, might legitimise people's idea that cyclists are something to be against, and to dislike, and to spew about online or down the pub (rather than just another person, friend, colleague, family member). For that reason it seems important to mention that some people are saying stupid, things about cycling this morning...

*Feel free to skip this bit*

Those are the take-home messages some took from an investigation into why, in an admittedly questionable survey, one-in-three said cyclists should not be on the road and a quarter admit deliberately driving too close. In true Rod Liddle style... yeah, but what about that one who jumped a red light in town on Tuesday? They need to be registered...

03 November 2022, 09:20
The view from the Netherlands...

Here's Dutch news from the cycle path's Anna Holligan with her snapshot of how different cycling is in the Netherlands...

03 November 2022, 09:24
'Road Rage: Cars v Bikes'... an anti-cycling bingo extravaganza...

Someone had to do it... 

I would suggest you could fill that board pretty quickly with some of the reaction going around this morning...

Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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steaders1 | 1 year ago
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This country has long since gone to seed and is now full of people who have the attitude that everything revolves around them and them only. It started years ago with things like "I must reserve a sun bed" on holiday and has evolved into "its my road get the fuck off it" The UK and the evolution of man have produced tossers,  all of them tossers

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Rome73 | 1 year ago
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that's a nice silver HSD MrsA has. I've not seen a silver one before. 

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polainm | 1 year ago
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Take a look at the definition of 'sociopath' and you'll be reading the description of at least a third of UK drivers. Instead of the same old media garbage doing the cycle haters bingo, why not research 'why' so many drivers become sociopaths behind the wheel of a potential killing machine? If I needed to employ someone I'd just ask them to drive me across town. I'd learn what their true traits are. But 'why'?

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JustTryingToGet... | 1 year ago
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Two black ice fails, one definitely my fault for going too tight on a corner.
One autumn sludge slip on a badly maintained bike path.
One river side gravel tumble. A nasty deep wound to my knee with that one. Amazingly, as I slowly made my way back home, a car left hooked me as we both set off as the lights went green... on a lane that you can't legally turn left at.
Once hit by a Uber that pulled out of a car park without looking. Amazingly not injured, I pulled a truly fantastic slide so I hit him side on. It was actually worth it to see the look on his face. I wish someone had filmed it.
Bus pulled out as I was alongside it. In fairness to the driver he was horrified, and I think he will be a better driver in future.

Just two weeks ago a car overtook a car at a give way to move into the main road, 10cm from my wheel.
Once during a close pass the passenger reached out to hit my arse. I don't know how I stayed upright.

Other close passes are to many to mention, I think my lack of serious injury is that I mainly cycle urban and traffic is too congested.

Let's not list the verbal abuse.

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mattw | 1 year ago
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Catching up with the Panorama.

I think it told a reasonable version of the story and communicated it clearly, which is unusual for Panorama recently.

Clearly rather cherry picked for sensation eg in the selection of CycleMikey clips, but that's our media.

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Please don't feed the trolls, it is making the site worse again.

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nniff | 1 year ago
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So, this morning; it's tipping down. I've fixed the camera, but I can't remember how long the battery lasts, so it's on test.  I'm on the third hill of the morning's 'ride to work at home'.  It's a narrow lane, slightly wider than single track, but cars have to stop to squeeze past each other and a passing car is always a close pass in either direction.  There's a car behind me.  There's no sight line for the car to pass, so I'm not squeezing up to the hedge.  No matter, the driver can't wait and forces their way past.  Then two cars come the other way.  The driver has three choices.  1) Stop and have an awkward eyeballing moment with the other driver and still be behind me.  2) Drive into the car coming the other way and take the insurance claim.  3) Punt me into the hedge and drive off.  No prizes for guessing which. 

The first driver coming the other way just drives off too.  The second has stopped and asks if I'm OK and calls the other driver a lunatic.  The final pisser?  The camera stopped 10 minutes earlier.  Battery life = 2 hours 35 minutes.  

I did not break a speed limit or jump a red light.  I have bright lights and reflectives.  I'm insured.  There are no cycle lanes here.  I pay 'road tax' for a car that I mostly use less than my bike.  I possess a licence to drive cars, and various other motorised vehicles.  

No, I'm not going to tell my wife - I'm already on sufferance after being totally demolished in London last year and spending 9 hours strapped to a board in A&E.  Tell me again about public rights of way, due care and attention, dangerous driving and conscious action to assault a third party.  I'm all ears.

P.S. no harm done to me or the bike, but happy I am not.

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Cycloid replied to nniff | 1 year ago
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They never go for the head on collision, but always involve you in their "accident".

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nniff replied to Cycloid | 1 year ago
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I've just been depressing myself by totting up the tally of getting up close and personal with the tarmac.

It now stands at:

2 Hit and Run.  One failed prosecution (driver had an alias); bike beaten up and insurance paid.  The other - no harm.

1 left hook.  Driver no licence.  Car insured.  Drove over front wheel of bike, cut fingers.  No police action.  Insurance paid for bike. Didn't bother with the fingers.  The passenger in the car tried to claim for whiplash.  Video showed otherwise.

1 due care, T-bone from the right.  On a cycle superhighway.  No police action. Insured.  Bike written off, 9 hours in A&E.  Bike paid for, still waiting for injuries.

1 pothole on a roundabout.  Scrapes and bruises.  Pothole filled two days later

1 operator error - all my own work on a tightening, descending bend.  Road rash. 

That excludes the years of London commuting and recreational close passes.

I think that sort of thing came across well in Panorama...

My wife has got a point......3 trips to A&E. 

 

PS - this is over 45,000 miles ps (post strava).  Noting much that I recall bs (before strava)

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to nniff | 1 year ago
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Not something I like talking about as like the P-word, they happen if you think it has been awhile since one happened. However in the 5 years and 22k milles of my cycling, 

One hit and run on an island. Have posted the video before. 
One dooring. Buckled the front wheel.
One operator error. Decided to try the slightly off-road route instead of walking down the steps to get back on the canal after swapping sides and it was slightly muddy.
Several clipout failures.
One icy right turn at some lights when the council decided -5 overnight was not gritting weather. 
And the recent - One slippy tow path side of canal in Brindley Place. I was only doing 8mph approaching a bridge when a woman appeared with her dog. I touched my brakes and the back wheel locked and slid out. I didn't move forward any further but the bike was facing back the way I had come. Those paths are really slippy.

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andystow replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 1 year ago
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Hmm, seven years and 45000 miles, I've got:

One hit and run from a pickup truck driver who ran a stop sign, no injury or damage, basically shoulder-checked the bed of the truck.

About five falls caused by me that injured me enough to require more than a plaster, usually being silly going too fast on gravel, snow or ice. One from turning onto a gravel road from a paved road at about 30 MPH nearly required stitches, but the doctor ended up just taping it shut. One destroyed a helmet when something went between my front wheel and mudguard and stopped the wheel instantly. The steerer actually pivoted more than 360° and ripped out some of the derailleur and brake cables.

Maybe ten minor falls, again usually me being silly, no injury or bike damage worth mentioning. I suspect 25 years of judo is both causing and helping make up for a lack of fear while I'm riding.

Edit: one water balloon thrown at me and two others cycling together at night, missed.

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polainm replied to nniff | 1 year ago
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You have the Right to use the public highway on foot, horse or bicycle. A driver needs a licence to operate their machine on the public highway, but only if they adhere to the Highway Code. So why is it then, that the police/CPS/judge fail so regularly to remove sociopath drivers from the highway? Is it a special club?

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Fignon's ghost | 1 year ago
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With the cost of fuel being exacerbated by even higher interest rates. No doubt, cycling is the future of short term travel.

We'll look at this Panorama film in 10 years time and most of the population will ridicule the ignorance of the motor vehicle user.

Do you need a car to get around?

That wave of European sentiment will wash over these islands. It's inevitable.

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henryb | 1 year ago
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Not much analysis in the programme of what to do next. It's unsustainable for us as a country to continue with everyone driving around in climate-change-contributing metal boxes. Some way needs to be found to increase the proportion of journeys made by bicycle, and for this to be an attractive option for people.

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HarrogateSpa | 1 year ago
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'paid their €50 entry fee to the gaming showdown. The winner will take home a cool £1,000...'

If Liz Truss were still PM, the prize could be worth less than the entry fee.

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cooper85m | 1 year ago
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I had was involved in an RTA/C 3 years ago and I am still not right. I have 1 or 2 good days in a month and the rest I am sore. My story, the driver hit me from behind, on the drivers side, i came off of my bike - ass first into her windshield, hit her bonnet with left shoulder and rolled onto the road (possibly head first, due to injuries sustained). I wasn't on the road the whole journey, i used the road to move to the other path/s. I musst note that the driver hit me at 50+ mph

My injuries... damaged spine, knee, head injuries and damaged shoulder. Required 26 stitches and super glue for my head (wasn't wearing a helmet as was on the paths). I am still hurting and will probably still bee this bad in another 3 years.

No compensation, bike was lost by police (evidence to prove fault), no follow up by the police either. LIVID! 

But I am a cyclist, why should they care!

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eburtthebike replied to cooper85m | 1 year ago
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Were you a member of CUK or BC?  I'm sure they would have helped; CUK were brilliant when I've been knocked off.

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peted76 | 1 year ago
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Watched it last night and my resounding thoughts are that it felt like a missed opportunity' and 'it could have been worse'..

I was miffed that there wasn't any mention of the economic benefits to cycling mentioned (less pressure on the NHS being a headline) and no focus on pollution as I could determine either. 

It was a bit fluffy for what 'should' have been a more hard hitting programme.

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Bungle_52 | 1 year ago
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From the article :

"Watching from the Netherlands, the UK looks like a different universe. What causes this aggression? Here in NL drivers are all cyclists too, tomorrow it could be you in the saddle - but surely it's more complex than that?"

I don't think it is, it really is that simple.

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Simon E replied to Bungle_52 | 1 year ago
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Bungle_52 wrote:

From the article :

"Watching from the Netherlands, the UK looks like a different universe. What causes this aggression? Here in NL drivers are all cyclists too, tomorrow it could be you in the saddle - but surely it's more complex than that?"

I don't think it is, it really is that simple.

I suspect there's more to it that. Perhaps compare the mainstream media in NL with UK.

Daily Mail, Telegraph and others regularly publish what we might call 'anti-cyclist bingo', both opinion and editorial. The BBC has done its share of harm, and not just via news and current affairs programmes.

Are their popular media outlets the same? I doubt it.

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essexian | 1 year ago
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I wonder what the BBC would make of this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/girl-seven-died-after-cycl...

Why on Earth do we let lorries of that size on country roads?

 

Poor child, poor family. 

 

 

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Secret_squirrel replied to essexian | 1 year ago
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essexian wrote:

I wonder what the BBC would make of this:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/girl-seven-died-after-cycl...

Why on Earth do we let lorries of that size on country roads?

 

Poor child, poor family. 

Its a tragic death but not necessarily one that should cause any major changes.   The fact of the matter is the poor kid lost control and ended up on a major road.  The article is clear on the point that the driver was not at fault and doing approx 12mph at the time.

Accidents are sometimes genuinely that.

And to be clear - this is a country A road - not a country lane.

One solution to this problem might be to build a bypass - is that what would be best though?

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Sriracha | 1 year ago
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Is there nothing in the BBC Charter that prohibits them peddling lies? Knowingly pursuing discredited statistical methodologies and then using the results to frame the debate, in a flagship factual programme, is criminal. I'm sick of hearing presenters trot out the line, "Obviously this isn't a scientific survey, but our results suggest..."

They might as well scribe a range of opinions on coloured cards, ask a five year old to pick their favourite colour, then use the result to inform the debate.

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hawkinspeter replied to Sriracha | 1 year ago
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Sriracha wrote:

Is there nothing in the BBC Charter that prohibits them peddling lies? Knowingly pursuing discredited statistical methodologies and then using the results to frame the debate, in a flagship factual programme, is criminal. I'm sick of hearing presenters trot out the line, "Obviously this isn't a scientific survey, but our results suggest..." They might as well scribe a range of opinions on coloured cards, ask a five year old to pick their favourite colour, then use the result to inform the debate.

The BBC doesn't seem too interested in quality investigative journalism these days and instead they just go for cheap and easy productions.

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bobbinogs replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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There is always a connundrum for the BBC, go for popular or go for quality/unpopular.  If one looks at their "Top programmes trending" then it is clear to see that the public likes absolute trash and there is nothing considered too low brow to be popular.  If the BBC goes back to the 'quality' days then I fear they risk alienating the masses...and then get criticised for being elitist.

People often say that they don't watch the BBC because it isn't as good as it was, but the BBC does have big audiences...just not for the stuff that people used to watch, because those folks are dying off (literally).

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hawkinspeter replied to bobbinogs | 1 year ago
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bobbinogs wrote:

There is always a connundrum for the BBC, go for popular or go for quality/unpopular.  If one looks at their "Top programmes trending" then it is clear to see that the public likes absolute trash and there is nothing considered too low brow to be popular.  If the BBC goes back to the 'quality' days then I fear they risk further alienating the young/old/people...and then get criticised for being elitist.

People often say that they don't watch the BBC because it isn't as good as it was, but the BBC does have big audiences...just not for the stuff that people used to watch, because those folks are dying off (literally).

I don't think audiences are necessarily dumbing down, but are probably more discerning nowadays with the increased choice. If you look at the really successful series on subscription services such as Netflix, you'll see extremely high quality writing and acting and I think they're starting to replace films as a well produced series gives the story a lot more time and space to develop. The BBC is finding it tough to compete with those kinds of series as they're expensive to produce and they definitely benefit from being continually available, so if someone recommends "Severance" (on Apple TV), a person can then go and watch the whole series. That's trickier to do with the BBC even despite iPlayer.

I think the BBC is now being used as a kind of between-tv service - you switch over to it when you don't want to focus on a deep and convoluted story and just want some relaxing nonsense.

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ktache replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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I hope you are not counting BBC2 and 4 in that, still some very good stuff. A shame that BBC4 will become repeat only, some of its original programming was exceptional.

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hawkinspeter replied to ktache | 1 year ago
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ktache wrote:

I hope you are not counting BBC2 and 4 in that, still some very good stuff. A shame that BBC4 will become repeat only, some of its original programming was exceptional.

I can't say that I watch much BBC at all these days. What programmes do you recommend?

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mark1a replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

ktache wrote:

I hope you are not counting BBC2 and 4 in that, still some very good stuff. A shame that BBC4 will become repeat only, some of its original programming was exceptional.

I can't say that I watch much BBC at all these days. What programmes do you recommend?

Beeb show some excellent music documentaries on 2 & 4, two I can think of are "Five Years" earlier this year about Bowie from end of Ziggy Stardust to Ashes to Ashes via Berlin-era Heroes, and (much older) "Synth Britannia" part of a wider "% Britannia" series. Don't think they're on iPlayer anymore but worth a YouTube search. That said Sky Arts are doing more of similar. 

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hawkinspeter replied to mark1a | 1 year ago
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mark1a wrote:

Beeb show some excellent music documentaries on 2 & 4, two I can think of are "Five Years" earlier this year about Bowie from end of Ziggy Stardust to Ashes to Ashes via Berlin-era Heroes, and (much older) "Synth Britannia" part of a wider "% Britannia" series. Don't think they're on iPlayer anymore but worth a YouTube search. That said Sky Arts are doing more of similar. 

I do like a bit of Bowie - I'm downloading Five Years now. I couldn't find it on iPlayer.

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