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British Cycling’s cycle to work ad “not representative” and only aimed at “athletic people interested in sport”, say commuters; Police stop cyclist at night… and give him hi-vis vest and bag; “The future of cars is: not cars” + more on the live blog

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05 June 2023, 08:08
British Cycling’s cycle to work ad “not representative” and only aimed at “athletic people interested in sport”, says commuter

Another week, another social media debate about British Cycling…

Our latest episode of ‘people criticising the national governing body’ (a regular fixture of 2023, it seems) comes courtesy of an Instagram post encouraging cyclists to commute to work by bike – an ad which, one commuter claims, presents cycling as a “niche” pursuit for “athletic people interested in sport”.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

A post shared by @biking_maz

The ad in question – put together as part of a paid partnership by cycling Instagrammer Biking Maz – lists some of the reasons cyclists might want to ride to work in the summer, including the fresh air and endorphins, the financial and environmental impact of not using a car, and having more time to spend in the evening with your dogs.

The video, because it’s a British Cycling advert after all, also advises commuter cyclists to join BC for the insurance benefits and the bonus of a free rucksack for new members (ah, the old perks for newbies trick, a British Cycling classic).

> "No prizes for loyalty": British Cycling's £99 smart light sign-up offer goes down well with existing members

However, while most cyclists could get behind the ad’s message, it was the way this message was presented – featuring a racing cyclist wearing cycling kit and riding an expensive bike – that attracted the attention of some commuters on Twitter.

“This Instagram ad for cycling to work makes it look like it’s only for athletic people interested in sport,” wrote Jack Fifield, a journo at the Oldham Times.

“Not representative of the people I see cycling casually in Manchester.”

Jack’s criticism of British Cycling’s ad, it’s safe to say, divided the masses on Twitter.

Katy agreed that the video was “unhelpful for active travel” and claimed that it makes cycling “look niche, specialist, hard to identify with… makes it also far easier for any opposition to say exactly that. And it’s not true.”

“I cycle to work every day, no matter what the weather, spring, summer, autumn, winter. I cycle in my regular clothes. I never get dressed up in a special costume,” wrote Citizen Wolf.

“Couldn’t agree more,” said Jamie. “The culture change necessary to cement cycling into commuter thinking needs all parties to have a look at themselves and how they portray what should be the most accessible of all travel options.”

However, not everyone agreed with Jack’s analysis.

“You’re getting angry at an advert,” Connor argued. “People cycle in all types of clothing on all types of bikes. British Cycling are constantly doing comms directed at more casual or beginner cyclists.”

“It’s just some budget Insta ad,” agreed Jacob. “God forbid they use a cyclist who does use cycle specific clothing. At no point does it imply this is the only way you can chose to cycle.”

However, one cyclist, Chris, decided to offer some much-needed balance to the whole debate (balance? What’s that? Never heard of it…).

“They're both right,” he said. “Most commuters aren’t roadies. But more roadies should commute. Selling commuting as an athletic pursuit for a specific audience that doesn't commute enough is good. I commuted like this when I was racing and loved it.”

What do you think? Should a cycle to work ad from British Cycling be more inclusive and representative of all cyclists who commute? Or does it really matter what a cyclist is wearing, either out on the roads or in a social media clip?

05 June 2023, 15:38
British Cycling cycle to work ad (British Cycling,Instagram)
“Two water bottles for the commute?” Readers react to British Cycling’s latest ad

British Cycling’s commuter advert has certainly generated some discussion in today’s comments section. Here’s a selection of your thoughts:

EddyBerckx: “British Cycling is not a utility cycling champion. It exists mainly for the racing side of things and so yes, the ad is fine. I don’t moan about EVERY SINGLE OTHER utility cyclist organisation running ads that don’t represent me because I’m not a d***head and I understand and support  what they are trying to do.

“The ad represents me including the carbon bike with aero wheels and the long-distance commute. I’ve tried every type of bike on my commute and this suits me best.”

Simon E: “Since BC is not a utility cycling champion why run this type of paid advert? Who is the target audience and why? I commute in lycra on a nice road bike but I can't see how this would appeal to someone like me, to my cycling club friends or to other people I know (including family members) who are pure utility cyclists. Just seems pointless to me, a bit of a missed opportunity.

“BC would probably be better off sticking to the sportive/leisure/competitive cycling (and do a better job of supporting clubs, race organisers etc) and leave the campaigning to bodies who know what they're talking about.”

Didnthurt: “People misunderstand what BC is supposed to do. They’re the governing body of cycle sport, not an organisation focused on active travel. If that’s what you’re looking for, Cycling UK or even Sustrans are better options. BC is about bike racing, and their various attempts not to be have fallen pretty flat over the years.”

Rendel Harris: “Then perhaps they shouldn't offer ‘Commute’ and ‘Ride’ (‘for your everyday rides’) memberships alongside the ‘Fan’ and ‘Race’ options? If, as you say, they're just about bike racing they should say so, not try to boost their coffers by trying to attract members by pretending to be something they're not.”

Jetmans Dad: “Not a member of BC any longer, but their advert definitely represents me, and my 21 mile each way commute, that I wouldn't dream of trying to do in my teaching clothes.

“What I would like to see is more of a co-ordinated approach to these campaigns with Cycling UK and BC combining forces to cover as many bases as they can ... I moved my membership from BC to CU precisely because I was moving away from sportive type riding into short triathlons and concentrating most of my riding on utility/leisure.

“And I am with Chris on his comment (in the article). There are plenty of people who just do the training, long ride stuff who don't ride to work who should also be encouraged to do so. That's why all bases need to be covered.”

05 June 2023, 09:33
Police stop cyclist at night during long-distance ride to give him hi-vis vest and bag (Northern Ireland Road Policing and Safety unit)
Police stop cyclist at night during long-distance ride… to give him hi-vis vest and bag (and motorists aren’t happy)

A cyclist who misjudged the time it would take to complete an epic 200-mile-plus ride from Galway to Belfast was stopped by police at the weekend, 30 miles from his destination… and handed a hi-vis vest and bag before being sent on his way.

The cyclist was riding on a main road in Portadown (not quite Northern Ireland’s premier location for bike riding, if I’m honest. Sorry Portadown people) at round 11.30pm on Saturday night when he was stopped by officers from Northern Ireland’s Road Policing and Safety unit.

“This cyclist had no lights or reflective markers on his bike or clothing and could not be seen due to the darkness,” the unit said on its Facebook account.

The rider, the unit said, was attempting to cycle the 320km or so from Galway, on Ireland’s west coast, to Belfast, but “had failed to prepare, not expecting to be cycling so late into the evening”.

The unit continued: “Following a short chat with our team, this cyclist was provided with a high visibility vest and bag cover to improve his visibility on the road to other road users.

“Everyone [has] a role to play in improving the safety of our roads. Be Safe, Be Seen.”

> Pro cyclist-led lights campaign, endorsed by Tadej Pogačar, “feeds into victim-blaming culture”, says road safety expert

While the photo posted by the officers of the cyclist in his newly acquired hi-vis gear doesn’t appear to show the rider in too happy a mood (is that a V sign, anyone? Just joking...), the police’s decision to kit him up for the last 30 miles into Belfast really didn’t go down too well with some motorists on Facebook.

“So, let’s get this clear,” wrote Mark. “You stopped him for no lights whilst riding on a public highway, you then gave him a bag cover and sent him on his way to still ride on a public highway with NO LIGHTS... and you still expect every motorist on the road to have lights or they’ll get a ticket??

“This is exactly why there is a massive hatred for cyclists by drivers. If I were local, I’d be saving this and riding my motorbike with the lights off, hoping I'll get a nice waterproof high viz bag cover.”

Meanwhile, Ian wrote: “A car driver would have been given a fine and points on their licence, not a set of bulbs. Traffic laws are supposed to be for everyone.”

However, Eddie was a lot more forgiving of the cyclist’s planning skills, writing: “Super act guys for helping out a fellow citizen. Loving all the haters commenting on an honest mistake. Fair play lads.”

05 June 2023, 14:58
Now that’s what I call Strava Art! London to Lviv cyclist Tom Hashemi follows up epic trip with 221km homage to Ukraine

It turns out that riding 1,300 miles to Lviv, Ukraine, while raising funds to clear landmines in the war-torn country and overcoming a tramline-induced crash and subsequent hospital stay along the way, wasn’t enough for Tom Hashemi.

Less than three weeks after completing his epic trip, Hashemi was back on his pimped-out Giant Defy, covering over 220km (at a decent speed too) over eight and a half hours… to draw Ukraine on Strava.

I know we see a lot of Strava Art™ on the live blog, but that is very cool. Though I feel tired just thinking about it…

> Check out this restored Giant Defy with Ukraine & Union Jack custom paint that's on a 2,000km journey to Lviv

05 June 2023, 14:33
Don’t panic, I’m back! Julian Alaphilippe roars back into form with stunning sprint win on grippy day at the Dauphiné

We never really doubted him, did we?

After a tough 18 months characterised by bad luck, crashes, and badly-timed bouts of illness, former double world champion Julian Alaphilippe roared back into the imaginations of cycling fans everywhere – and put down a marker for next month’s Tour de France – with a dominant win in a wide-open sprint finish at the Critérium du Dauphiné.

After Jumbo-Visma’s Steven Kruijswijk crashed out of the race early on, along with Steff Cras and Romain Combaud, a draggy, grippy circuit around La Chaise-Dieu once again proved too much for the big-name sprinters at the race, with Sam Bennett fading to 11th while Dylan Groenwegen pulled the pin a few kilometres back down the road.

A flurry of attacks in the final 20km, first by Victor Campenaerts and Kenny Elissonde, before Tobias Bayer and Harry Sweeny each vainly darted off the front, was eventually snuffed out by Jumbo-Visma, as Jonas Vingegaard again worked to tee up yesterday’s winner Christophe Laporte.

However, the leg-sapping nature of the finishing circuit upended the traditional sprinting hierarchy, with Alaphilippe proving the fastest in a motley crew finale which saw Richard Carapaz and Natnael Tesfatsion take second and third ahead of the yellow jersey Laporte.

But all eyes today will be on the rampaging Frenchman who, after an indifferent spring campaign, appears to have put aside the setbacks that have plagued him on the big stage since his last worlds win in Leuven in 2021, and regained some of the sparkle in the legs that made him one of the peloton’s biggest stars.

As Alaphilippe demonstrated in his typically flamboyant – and early – celebration across the finish line, there was never any real need to panic after all…

05 June 2023, 14:00
Shari Bossuyt press conference
“It’s like being wrongly put in prison for murder”: Canyon-SRAM’s Shari Bossuyt protests innocence following doping positive

Shari Bossuyt has protested her innocence and likened herself to someone wrongly convicted of murder, after Canyon-SRAM suspended the Belgian rider following a positive drugs test.

It was revealed yesterday that the 22-year-old tested positive for Letrozole at the Tour de Normandie in March, where she won a stage and finished sixth overall, though she claims she is a victim of contamination.

Letrozole is primarily used to block oestrogen during the treatment of breast cancer, but can be used in a sporting context to help boost the production of testosterone. It is regarded by the UCI as a specified substance, meaning it does not come with an automatic provisional suspension.

However, like cyclocross star Toon Aerts, who tested positive for the drug last year, Bossuyt faces a two-year ban from racing if the UCI upholds an anti-doping rule violation.

> Toon Aerts set to receive two-year ban for positive anti-doping test

Speaking at a press conference this morning, the young Belgian – who signed a contract extension with Canyon-SRAM in April – outlined her determination to clear her name, and explain how Letreozole ended up in her system.

“I’ve ended up in an unreal situation. I have never come into contact with Letrozole and have never consciously used it. This was even the first time I had heard of Letrozole," she said.

“It feels unfair. I compare it to being put in prison for murder when you didn’t commit murder. That’s what it feels like.

“Everything indicates that we are dealing with a contamination. Hopefully we can quickly provide clarity to the necessary authorities. And above all that, we can prove that we are not cheaters.”

Aerts also attended Bossuyt’s press conference in Zwevegem, where the pair’s agent Yannick Prevost claimed that his riders were victims, and not dopers.

“We have been working on this file for a year,” Prevost said today, before providing a Contador-esque ‘tainted beef’ excuse. “It is very difficult to prove that it is a contamination from food.

“We are walking a track, but we cannot yet make it concrete. What we can say is that Shari and Toon both tested positive after competitions in Normandy, in Flamanville to be precise.

“Letrozole is used for the fertilization of cows and sheep. That is a relatively new technique. It is currently a hypothesis that we cannot yet substantiate. Because the food industry does not yet test for Letrozole.

“Shari and Toon are not doping users, but victims.”

05 June 2023, 13:32
Simon MacMichael joins Dom Whiting for a glorious afternoon in the sunshine

I told you earlier today that road.cc’s Simon got on his bike in central London for the second weekend in a row to become part of the massive, sometimes fairly chaotic, bunch of cyclists bopping along to DJ Dom Whiting’s beats, as part of the by-now iconic Drum & Bass on the Bike.

Here’s what Simon had to say about yesterday’s sunny rave on the roads (now that’s a decent title, too), why it was different to the previous week’s RideLondon event, and why a humble DJ set can make you feel part of something big:

> Joining Dom Whiting for a Drum & Bass On The Bike ride – a glorious afternoon in every sense

05 June 2023, 12:41
Oops…

Disaster. But at least it inspired a few witty Twitter exchanges… 

05 June 2023, 11:51
Scenes! Drum & Bass On The Bike takes over London yesterday

Just another weekend in London, packed with people having a great time on their bikes…

A week after RideLondon took over the streets of the capital, yesterday saw the turn of DJ Dom Whiting and his portable decks, transforming central London once again into a joyous two-wheeled rave:

> Drum & Bass On The Bike is coming to London again this weekend — and its creator is still trying to make sense of it all

A well-known music connoisseur, road.cc’s Simon was also there, enjoying the tunes and the group ride (and perhaps too much of the sun as well, judging by the colour of his face today)…

Though I’m sure a certain octogenarian disc jockey felt conflicted by the sight of a pedalling disco on London’s roads yesterday…

05 June 2023, 11:30
Planet X refuses to comment on administration rumours
05 June 2023, 10:59
“The future of cars is: not cars”: Motoring journalist responds to Rowan Atkinson’s claim that he was “duped” by electric vehicles

You’ve probably all read by now Rowan Atkinson’s piece in the Guardian from the weekend, where Edmund Blackadder himself claimed that, despite being an “early adopter” of electric vehicles, he’s increasingly felt “duped” by them, even arguing that it may be better for the environment if people just keep hold of their old petrol cars for longer.

“Increasingly, I’m feeling that our honeymoon with electric cars is coming to an end, and that’s no bad thing: we’re realising that a wider range of options need to be explored if we’re going to properly address the very serious environmental problems that our use of the motor car has created,” Atkinson wrote.

Fair enough, you might think. That paragraph especially could have been written specifically for road.cc’s readership.

However, for those of the bike-riding and active travel persuasion, it’s the actor’s proposed solutions to the environmental problems of the motor car that left many scratching their heads in confusion.

Hydrogen. Synthetic fuels. Keeping your car for longer.

> Retired neurologist says increased weight and acceleration of electric vehicles will lead to rise in cycling-related fatalities unless 20mph speed limits are introduced

Having played a character synonymous with a famous bike riding scene, it may surprise you that cycling, or walking, or wheeling, or any form of active travel was missing from Mr Bean’s electric vehicle article (though, in fairness, he does point out, briefly, that one solution is using a car “as little as possible”).

Unsurprisingly, it’s taken a few cyclists on Twitter to point out where Atkinson may be going wrong in his analysis:

“Electric cars aren’t here to save the planet, they’re here to save the car industry,” wrote Real Gaz on a proper bike. “A lot of trips could be made via other means and that needs to happen as Rowan forgets about the other pollution, congestion, and danger.”

Meanwhile, motoring journo Hazel Southwell put together an interesting thread refuting much of Atkinson’s article, which she claimed had “some straight-up untruths in it”.

“I’m a car journalist but the future of cars is: not cars. Sorry, that's the difficult truth here,” she said.

“By far the most sensible thing for us to develop isn’t BEVs or synthetic fuel, it’s public transport to get vehicles off roads.”

05 June 2023, 10:41
The rain on Haig falls… everywhere, apparently
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

A post shared by Jack Haig (@jack_haig)

Spare a thought for poor Jack Haig. The Australian spent most of May riding through downpour after downpour in Italy, only to turn up at the first stage of the Dauphiné yesterday… and once again get absolutely soaked.

The fella can’t catch a break…

05 June 2023, 10:11
Is golf the new cycling?

I think Bizkaia Durango pro Ana Vitória Magalhães needs to work on her swing before this week’s Tour Féminin des Pyrénées…

Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Sorry meant for another thread…

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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Hit-and-run driver who left girl, 10, for dead avoids jail and told to pay £900 (Metro)

https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/05/hit-and-run-driver-who-left-girl-10-for-d...

Hit and run (abandoned the car and attended a police station the next day)...

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Musaji faced up to two years in prison, after he admitted causing serious injury by careless driving and failing to stop after an accident, but instead was sentenced to a 12-month community order.

He was ordered to pay Layla £900 compensation as well as a £400 fine and £300 costs.

He was banned from driving for a year and must complete 200 hours of community work.

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Mungecrundle replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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To note. The victim was 10 years old and using a lit crossing in a residential area. The driver passed through the lights on red, at speed. The child hit the windscreen before he drove off.

And from the comments:

ELLIE
8h ago
I blame the parents or parent for allowing the little Girl to roam up and down the busy streets on a bike without proper gear and supervision.

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HoldingOn replied to Mungecrundle | 1 year ago
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Just when you think people can't get any worse, someone yells "hold my beer" and piles in.

The internet is really not a pleasant place.

Edit: I know on here "Like" is also used as an acknowledgement of a post, but I can't bring myself to "Like" this. brooksby & Mungecrundle - i acknowledge your posts and appreciate you both highlighting this story.

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chrisonabike replied to HoldingOn | 1 year ago
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Here's hoping it's just "internet" - however from the continual reports and poor behaviour I've experienced it seems there is actually a strain of public opinion which holds that brooksby's two examples are "fair enough" - the victims are culpable (or the child's parents).

Because "roads are for cars" and if you're not in one you're chancing it.

I guess the apologists would say "realism" or fatalism. I say don whatever PPE you feel the need for and cycle to the media buildings, council offices and seats of government while we still can before remote working means we can only protest online.

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brooksby replied to HoldingOn | 1 year ago
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HoldingOn wrote:

Edit: I know on here "Like" is also used as an acknowledgement of a post, but I can't bring myself to "Like" this. brooksby & Mungecrundle - i acknowledge your posts and appreciate you both highlighting this story.

Totally understand, HO  1

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hawkinspeter replied to Mungecrundle | 1 year ago
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Mungecrundle wrote:

To note. The victim was 10 years old and using a lit crossing in a residential area. The driver passed through the lights on red, at speed. The child hit the windscreen before he drove off. And from the comments: ELLIE 8h ago I blame the parents or parent for allowing the little Girl to roam up and down the busy streets on a bike without proper gear and supervision.

It's shocking how the cognitive dissonance affects car-brains and they come up with almost anything to excuse the might of the motor. It was clearly the driver that needed supervision - he went through a red light FFS.

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brooksby replied to Mungecrundle | 1 year ago
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And don't forget the judge's summing up:

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While handing down the sentence Judge Elliot Knoph said: ‘Rather than turning back and seeking to provide assistance and comfort to the girl with whom you had collided and who had been injured significantly by your actions, you ran off.

‘It is said that on reflection for your absolutely disgraceful behaviour in running off that you feel genuine remorse for what you did. I am prepared to accept that.

‘You’re a hard working young man as far as I can tell. You have worked your way up over a period of nine years and people speak highly of your ability and honesty.’

FFS!  

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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brooksby wrote:

And don't forget the judge's summing up:

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While handing down the sentence Judge Elliot Knoph said: ‘Rather than turning back and seeking to provide assistance and comfort to the girl with whom you had collided and who had been injured significantly by your actions, you ran off.

‘It is said that on reflection for your absolutely disgraceful behaviour in running off that you feel genuine remorse for what you did. I am prepared to accept that.

‘You’re a hard working young man as far as I can tell. You have worked your way up over a period of nine years and people speak highly of your ability and honesty.’

FFS!  

That judge is a disgrace to his "profession".

If a driver is so concerned about themselves that they leave the scene without even attempting to assist their victim, then they are clearly not suited to be in control of a tonne of speeding metal. That's a clear case where they should never hold a driving license ever again.

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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Cyclist punched after crashing into child needs ‘extensive surgery’ on broken jaw (Metro)

https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/06/cyclist-punched-after-crashing-into-child...

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The unnamed male collided with a young girl who was walking on a zebra crossing at 11am on May 13.

The child is not believed to have suffered any injuries after the accident on Lauriston Road, in Hackney, east London.

Straight afterwards, a man approached the cyclist and punched him in the face before leaving the scene.

This man is not believed to have been known to the child.

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Rome73 | 1 year ago
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'This is exactly why there is a massive hatred for cyclists by drivers.'

an exaggerated overreaction to someone who inadvertently misjudged the distance of their ride. And what these nasty people do not realise (or choose to ignore) is the level of risk. A cyclist without lights is a danger to him/ herself. A motorbike or motor vehicle without lights is a greater danger to other as well as to the driver.  

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AlsoSomniloquism | 1 year ago
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So anyone do the last ToC?  I did contemplate it but held offafter I noticed the route was drastically changed to save a load of money on road closures by looping the first section. But even then there was a section on open roads.

The road race / Gran Fondo was shortened to the 66 mile route which was probably good beng as the looped nature would have meant the racers suddenly piling into the slower riders from mile 34 onwards (although that probably happened anyway with the chain gangs just doing the sportive). And from some reviews, the rest of the route wasn't well marshalled either. 

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tigersnapper replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 1 year ago
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Yeah, I did the 50 mile route.  Originally entered pre-Covid and finally got around to taking up my delayed entry this year.  It would be unfair to say it was badly marshalled.  It was poorly signed though with route splits not being signed until virtually the turnings.  I think a few people missed the 100 mile split where it went into the loop.  And for those of us tootling round there were some close passes when those doing the race / fondo came haring past at pace.  The crouds in the villages were great though and very encouraging.  It's a shame to see another closed road ride go - they are always more enjoyable as an organised ride than the open road ones.

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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So is that a special folding seat, to enable you to fit your bike onto those bike stands on trains?

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nniff replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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No - it's what happens if you try and ride under Tower Bridge before they've raised it.....

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Rendel Harris replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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Specially designed for people addicted to stoppies...

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dubwise | 1 year ago
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Sadly another cyclist has died in Glasgow

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/scottish-news/23566611.cyclist-64-di...

 

Original articles

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/23553630.man-rushed-hospital-cyclist...

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/23557536.cyclist-left-fighting-life-...

 

Typical of this crap "newspaper", not one of the above articles mentions anything about the driver of the car.

Condolences to Mr Morton's family and friends.

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Oldfatgit replied to dubwise | 1 year ago
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Condolences to Mr Mortons family and friends.

I cycle past there on my commute, and the segregated cycle path is not complete, and the traffic lights controlling the cycle path are bagged off.

It's a shit show of a junction.

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giff77 replied to dubwise | 1 year ago
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Was gutted when I heard this news. Met him a couple of times over the years. Great fella. 

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Didnthurt | 1 year ago
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People misunderstand what BC is supposed to do. They're the governing body of cycle sport, not an organisation focused on active travel. If that's what you're looking for, cycling uk or even sustrans are better options.

BC is about bike racing, and their various attempts not to be have fallen pretty flat over the years. HSBC did them no favours in that regard - BC are only just now recovering organisationally from the caveats placed on that round of funding - they lost a large number of experienced staff trying to pivot to a more "participation focused" approach, to the detriment of all their other programs.

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Rendel Harris replied to Didnthurt | 1 year ago
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Didnthurt wrote:

People misunderstand what BC is supposed to do. They're the governing body of cycle sport, not an organisation focused on active travel. If that's what you're looking for, cycling uk or even sustrans are better options. BC is about bike racing

Then perhaps they shouldn't offer "Commute" and "Ride" ("for your everday rides") membership alongside the "Fan" and "Race" options and state on their website:

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Your membership is an investment in the support and development of cycling in Britain. We are working tirelessly to make Britain a nation where cycling benefits people, communities, and our environment.

If, as you say,  they're just about bike racing they should say so, not try to boost their coffers by trying to attract members by pretending to be something they're not. 

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HoldingOn | 1 year ago
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The cyclist in Portadown - I don't think they are throwing the V sign. The police have just given him a hi-vis vest and a hi-vis rucksack cover. I think they are simply waiting for the police to supply them with a cigarette too....

Anyway - the police response and the drivers complaints about it. Understand why they would be annoyed, but its a little different for a cyclist. Our bikes don't come with lights, we supply them. We don't need to use them during the day - same way drivers don't need to use their lights during the day. I would argue it is therefore more like a driver being pulled over for not having their lights on at night. The police in that instance would likely just tell the driver to turn on their lights, not fine them.
However, sending the cyclist on their way without lights (and given what road.cc says about cycling in Norn Iron) I think is quite dangerous.

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hawkinspeter replied to HoldingOn | 1 year ago
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HoldingOn wrote:

The cyclist in Portadown - I don't think they are throwing the V sign. The police have just given him a hi-vis vest and a hi-vis rucksack cover. I think they are simply waiting for the police to supply them with a cigarette too....

Anyway - the police response and the drivers complaints about it. Understand why they would be annoyed, but its a little different for a cyclist. Our bikes don't come with lights, we supply them. We don't need to use them during the day - same way drivers don't need to use their lights during the day. I would argue it is therefore more like a driver being pulled over for not having their lights on at night. The police in that instance would likely just tell the driver to turn on their lights, not fine them.
However, sending the cyclist on their way without lights (and given what road.cc says about cycling in Norn Iron) I think is quite dangerous.

There's a major difference between a cyclist and a driver not using lights though. A cyclist is mainly endangering themselves but a driver would be endangering others.

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IanMK replied to HoldingOn | 1 year ago
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I wonder how many drivers have actually recieved tickets for not having their lights on? I suspect very few, if you did happen to get stopped because you forgot to switch your lights on in an urban environment I think the police would just ask you to switch them on and send you on your way. If drivers think they'll be given a ticket for a blown bulb then they clearly haven't been paying attention to the other drivers that I see with bulbs out.

As for the motorcyclist that wants to risk his life for a free hi-viz jacket ....

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Adam Sutton replied to IanMK | 1 year ago
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One issue on new cars though is the dashboard is lit up like a Christmas tree and daylight running lights are actually quite bright. I followed a BMW down a dark lane and he was clueless as to not having his lights on as the DLR were lighting his way, but the back of the cat was unlit. No amount of flashing made home realise, when he stopped I was able to get out and tell him and he was oblivious.

That's not to excuse it before anyone loses it, it's just another reality of what should be a safety aspect potentially having the opposite effect.

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KDee replied to Adam Sutton | 1 year ago
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I regularly tell my fluffy tailed cat to put some lights on, but he says it ruins his squirrel hunting 😂

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KDee replied to IanMK | 1 year ago
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I would hope that the rozzers would at least do a breathalyser test on a driver in that situation, instead of a little pat on the arse and an "on yer way" 

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giff77 replied to IanMK | 1 year ago
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Years ago the RUC pulled me over for driving with sidelights in Belfast and reprimanded me for doing so. I pointed out to them that the HC stated that urban driving required only sidelights and not dipped and I was not at fault especially as the street lights had just turned off as the constable was lecturing me. On another occasion at a VCP the constable pointed out to me a light was blown and he would have to ticket me. I thanked him and asked if it would be ok to park up in front of the land rover and swap out the bulb as I had a tub of spares in the boot, he grudgingly told me to be on my way and make sure I sorted it. Sadly a lot of vehicles nowadays involve you taking the car apart to swap out bulbs hence the amount of defective lights. 

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marmotte27 | 1 year ago
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People like Atkinson are so far behind the curve it's staggering.
Wait until they discover that there is no, actually that there cannot be, a technical solution to climate catastrophe. And that if there were it would make the assorted catastrophes so much worse that we'd go extinct probably even faster...

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IanMK replied to marmotte27 | 1 year ago
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Atkinson, has correctly identified that he has been duped by the car industry and by the government. However, he hasn't really thought about listening to other voices. As a result, unlike members of The Who, he will get fooled again.

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