Hit-and-run driver chased cyclist on pavement and knocked him off bike in shocking road rage incident

You think advising someone not to break the law that puts others' lives in danger to be an "irrational moral code"? I hope you don't drive with that attitude. 

Today I took my duck for a walk. He wasn't too happy at first, but after about 10 minutes it started raining and he was much calmer and more content after that.

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The driver was clearly in the wrong to mount the kerb in this incident,

So mounting the kerb was the wrong thing? Would have been fine if the cyclist was on the road from your point of view.

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Unfortunately there are those who advocate vigilantism, and some people who appear to have a vendetta against sections of society they deem to break their own irrational moral code.

So Neighbourhood Watch is vigilantism? Or having CCTV cameras on your property is vigilantism? Seems, just like "woke", your definition this word is simply wrong. 

And you continue to struggle with the meaning of vigilantism. Here's how the Oxford Dictionary describes it. 

vigilantism /ˌvɪdʒɪˈlantɪz(ə)m /
▸ noun [mass noun] law enforcement undertaken without legal authority by a self-appointed group of people:

If somebody had dragged the driver out of their vehicle, given them a summary beating and smashed the phone. That is vigilantism. 
 

To say to someone "gonnae no dae that" or "I'm callin the polis" at is simply advise being given. Nothing else. Our police forces rely on the general public to report both summary and indictable offences in order for all to live peaceful and safe lives. I once watched an individual stagger out of a pub and struggle to get into his car. I had two choice. Stop the guy from driving or call it in. I choose the later. The peeler thanked me and later called back to let me know they had stopped him and I might possibly be required as a witness. I know pub landlords who have taken keys of drivers and called a taxi. Is that vigilantism?  

Even under Common Law members of the public can make a citizens arrest for an indictable offence, whether committed or about to be committed.  There are clear guidelines in place for this. And even then the person is only being detained until a constable arrives. Store security and retail workers are able to detain shoplifters until the arrival of a constable. 

If you saw a girl being assaulted would you stand idly by, wringing your hands, before calling the police. Or would you drag the attacker away using reasonable force and detain him until the peelers arrive. I know what I would do. 

Dobbing drivers is not vigilantism. CM doesn't release footage until police action has been taken. He does it to raise awareness that certain behaviours can result in injury or death to innocents and hopefully some motorists who see his clips take note. I've yet to see an advert on his channel or to hear him recommending products.

giff77 wrote:

And you continue to struggle with the meaning of vigilantism. Here's how the Oxford Dictionary describes it. 

vigilantism /ˌvɪdʒɪˈlantɪz(ə)m /
▸ noun [mass noun] law enforcement undertaken without legal authority by a self-appointed group of people:

That is precisely what is being done by some people (or at least that's what they make out they are doing). Worse, they profit from their vigilantism by using YouTube's "cash-for-clicks" system, putting their exploits on the internet like demented bounty hunters.

When you saw Mikey jumping on the bonnet of that car, didn't you think he was going too far? How can you not think that was anything other than vigilantism?

Re CM and bonnetgate. The media was quite happy to place the blame on CM by accusing him of jumping on a bonnet. Their headlines and commentary reflected this and swayed people to that way of thinking. Yet CM's take on it, was the driver insisted on driving at him and to prevent his being pulled under the vehicle which is more than likely due to its size, the only option was to grab the bonnet lip. If it had have been a regular saloon then he would have automatically been scooped up. 

You continue to accuse various YouTubers of vigilantism for clicks yet I don't see them carrying out their own form of punishment beyond reporting them.  But as you said some time ago that you weren't from the U.K. so I'll give you a bit of leeway. Though (no offence intended) Essex is a bit of a deliverance region is it not? 

The press didn't accuse him of jumping on the bonnet - that's what the defence argued in a court of law, and the jury saw enough evidence to side with the motorist. The video I shared in my previous post certainly seems to confirm that point of view. Cycleless mikey was shown for the person he is.

And I'm sorry, but when someone hides incognito waiting for "suspects" so that they can leap out to obstruct the road - without their bike - and create artificial confrontations, they aren't passively helping the law take its course. In fact, I would call it "loitering with intent".

So fixated on that case you got banned from Wikipedia for your rudeness over trying to insert misleading comments about CyclingMickey.

So if someone insists on driving forward illegally when you are in front of them (and not braking at all then for 30 metres) would you:-

1. Stand there and be pushed over?
2. Try to get to the side of the large vehicle quickly but awkwardly, still get potentially get pushed over and be directly under the wheels?
3. Jump forward onto the bonnet and hope they don't go too far and too fast whislt calling the Police for help?
4. A N Other?

By the way, when you first commented on this, your words were "who is this person? I've not seen him before". Now you seem to know all about his Wiki page including edits made by BooBooBeaker who you quote a couple of days later and know what his twitter profile had two years ago. For someone who posts "incognito", you should also know that you have used that word wrong as well you racist fuck.

And again you struggle with the meanings of vigilantism and also 'click for cash' And now you bring bounty hunters. Seriously. Any child knows that a bounty hunter is somebody who arrests somebody on behalf of the police. 

Also most children being more tech savy understand the whole concept of 'click for cash' and will tell you that CM doesn't qualify for this privilege as he doesn't have sufficient subscribers or views. And even if he had the minimum requirements (which he rarely reaches) he would generate around $1a day. 

giff77 wrote:

And again you struggle with the meanings of vigilantism and also 'click for cash' And now you bring bounty hunters. Seriously. Any child knows that a bounty hunter is somebody who arrests somebody on behalf of the police. 

This is the Way.

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Being in charge of a vehicle, whether it be a car, truck, bus or bicycle demands accountability.

Do you know what, for once I entirely agree with you. I am absolutely sick of people who try to escape accountability for their actions on the road. I heard the other day about this guy, obviously an inexperienced and unskilled cyclist, who picked an absolutely stupid line to ride on the road, inches off the verge, and on a rainy day he rode straight into a puddle without thinking about what it was concealing, hit a pothole that a better or more experienced rider would easily have avoided, and then screwed the local council and its taxpayers for £2000 as the cost of his own lack of basic roadcraft. This sort of entitled rider really does need to be more accountable for their own actions and not expect the taxes of hardworking citizens to be spent on compensation for their own reckless and incompetent riding.

I know about this other guy who has no idea whatsoever about perspective, and who thought that a photo of a pothole about a third of the way into the road - virtually in primary - was "inches off the verge".

What a tool!

 Hands up who thinks this pothole is "virtually in primary"? Who would have ridden recklessly into it when it was covered by a puddle? Who would have lacked the skill to stay upright when hitting such a minor blemish?

Honestly, it's OK, you newbie inexperienced riders are going to make mistakes but you need to accept them and learn from them instead of making obviously untrue statements and soaking hardworking taxpayers for the consequences of your errors.

I'll tell you what, I hope you don't come a cropper anytime soon when you're cycling. If I was spouting this nonsense I'd be worried that the karma gods are going to come knocking!

I know you're annoyed I got a payout, but I promise you it wasn't worth the injuries. Lesson learned by the council too and road completely resurfaced. In fact, I might have saved someone's life - I'm pleased that it didn't happen to someone of a lesser constitution as they might not have survived.

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I'll tell you what, I hope you don't come a cropper anytime soon when you're cycling.

Bless you for your kind wishes. There are no guarantees of course, but if I do come a cropper it certainly won't be by riding a foolishly narrow line into a water-covered pothole, I have sufficient experience and skill not to make such a stupid mistake. If I ever was idiotic enough to do such a thing I would at least be honest enough to admit my error rather than become a whining participant in the compensation culture, insisting that hardworking taxpayers should shell out for my mistake.

It would be interesting if he did this before or after he demanded British Cycling to cancel his membership because they were "woke". 

I thought that in your years of cycling you'd never had an incident. Now I learn that you got taken out by a pothole!

That's the other one.

Nah, he used to claim the same thing as well, although he once claimed he was almost taken out on his cul de sac by a foreigner driving a taxi. He just can't help being racist can he. Still shocked that Road.cc have been told he is back again, and that he is still the same racist fuck by pretending to be "foreign" and using colloquialisms he though was how foreign people might talk. 

Disappointed in Road.cc. Still Ashley has his racist mate back to chat to when he is next on again. 

Are you sure you're not just confusing these entirely unique individuals (who just happen to be "thirsty for controversy" in a similar style)?  Because they "all seem the same to you"?

Be fair - "primary" because they were on the road and not in the hedge.

You're quite happy to blather on from your armchair with the anonymity of the internet, but when you see someone committing an illegal and dangerous act, your advice is "discretion".

Coward.

"Hand on heart"?

Not possible.

Harsh 😉

Sadly, there do seem to be quite a few drivers who fly off the handle simply for being addressed by a cyclist, even if politely. It is the main reason I stopped really showing any reaction some time ago - I have cameras, so I just let those record the incident and carry on.

During the early stages of lockdown, I rode on my own in the Kent countryside and simply waved my arm at a driver in protest after he gave me a punishment pass on an empty road. He waited for me at the junction and demanded to know: "What did you ****ing say?" So I just politely said I felt it was a bit close. He pulled out of the junction into the middle of a B road, left his car there with the door wide open and fronted up to me telling me he was going to kill me and that he would run over me and my effing bike. Fortunately he didn't because I just stayed calm and asked him to leave which he eventually did. But I spent the whole of the rest of my ride looking over my shoulder worried he was going to have another go. Got the plate and a good description of the driver and vehicle but it didn't go anywhere - police didn't even contact him because of their preoccupation with enforcing covid rules at the time.

You should be able to ask someone not to use their mobile etc when driving but it can be very risky.