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Oxford police told family it wasn't safe to cycle home from nursery due to "aggressive drivers"

Lord Mayor says officers should have been stopping motorists instead

Local councillors and the Lord Mayor of Oxford are among those to have criticised police after officers saw fit to stop a mother cycling home from nursery with her kids. Katherine Miles says that she was advised she shouldn’t have been cycling on Warneford Lane with her seven-year-old child, “because some drivers get quite aggressive.”

In a video posted on Twitter yesterday, Miles said: “I’ve just been stopped by the police who have just given me some very friendly advice – and this is at 5.48 on a Thursday evening – that I probably shouldn’t be cycling with my seven year old child on Warneford Lane because some drivers get quite aggressive and it’s probably not safe based on Oxford traffic.

“They were very kind and considerate but I think this just shows the issue we are facing at the moment that here am I, with my small children on their bikes, and we’re just trying to cycle home from nursery, and we’ve been advised that probably it’s not safe with Oxford traffic.

“That’s from police who are trying to protect us. Things need to change. We need structural change.”

The Oxford Mail reports that The Lord Mayor of Oxford, Craig Simmons, is among those to express support for Miles’ comments.

“I’m sorry [Thames Valley Police Oxford],” he said. “I know you meant well but this is outrageous.

“You should be stopping the car drivers that are making our roads dangerous, cyclists are part of the solution not problem.”

Warneford Lane has a painted cycle lane on it. However, Oxford councillor Mary Clarkson pointed out that the specific issue with the road was car parking and the need to ride away from the dooring zone.

“That is disgraceful,” she said of the incident. “The fault is the road layout and the fact you get hassled by impatient drivers if you keep well away from the dooring zone.

“I was once told off by a driver for allowing my then wobbly six year old to cycle with me when a responsible driver would have slowed down.”

Another councillor, Damian Haywood, described the police’s position amounted to ‘victim blaming’ and said it merely served to highlight the need to improve that road for cyclists.

“This is absolutely astonishing. However polite, they are victim blaming. Furthermore it highlights how appalling Warneford Lane is for those riding a bike, with or without children. We need to do something urgently about this to normalise Katherine choice of travel.”

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alexb | 3 years ago
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For the road in the picture, if they moved the parking to the right and the cycle lane to the left, it would be a lot safer. Drivers would exit their cars to the pavement and the cars would be in the "door zone" not the cyclists.

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Velocibob | 3 years ago
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There is mention that Warneford Lane has a painted cycle lane on it. It appears that this cycle lane is of little use when cars park on it. This could be easily corrected by the addition of double yellow lines along the length of the cycle lane. Then there wouldn't be the necessity for cyclists to come further into the road to pass the cars and avoid car-dooring. So many cycle lanes around the country are practically redundant as a result of cars parking on them. In some countries, it is against the law to park on cycle lanes, but not here, yet. I have heard mention of a possible change in the law to prevent parking on the pavement. This could make life even more complicated for both the cyclist and the car driver.

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mdavidford replied to Velocibob | 3 years ago
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The cars aren't parking on the cycle lane. There's marked parking, with a cycle lane running immediately alongside it - it's basically designed to put cycles in the door zone.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/je1j1KLQkREnfHxEA

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Toorie | 3 years ago
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Surely the fact that drivers have been taught to read the road and have had to pass a driving standards agency test,  this is to assume driving competancy, means they should reconise a situation before it arises, i.e. family cycling, mirror, reduce speed, mirror move over to overtake at a safe distance, mirror pull back when safely past, speed up.

I honestly believe that the driving issue we have will not change. It isn't the Government or police, it is the average Joe's attitude driving the car that will need to change, due to the selfishness of todays society, look at what has happened with corona, beaches packed, lack of social distancing. The Government clearly stated the rules, but people blatently ignored them. It is wrong the police are telling this woman not to cycle due the dangerous driving, however, I would take the advice from most police (unless traffic)with a pinch of salt, "its my life" not their's.

There is very little chance of this changing,  Accept the risk and get on with it, its not going to change in this lifetime.

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eburtthebike replied to Toorie | 3 years ago
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Toorie wrote:

The Government clearly stated the rules, but people blatently ignored them.

Sorry, some sensible comments then you come in with this nonsense.  The government advice was confused, confusing and people in the government ignored it.

Toorie wrote:

There is very little chance of this changing,  Accept the risk and get on with it, its not going to change in this lifetime.

Never.  I will never accept that this is inevitable and cannot be changed, and there are plenty of examples where it has changed.  It can be changed, it will be changed; we will change it.

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Toorie replied to eburtthebike | 3 years ago
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Whats confusing regarding staying 2 metres apart and not going in groups. If you are confused with that then what hope is there with 1.5 metres overtaking.

Again you are taking the advice of others to keep you alive, this is my point.

Good luck with the changing, i remember a bloke on Breakfast news, nearly crying as his brother had been killed by a van driver on his phone. The said van driver had been pulled and charged 8 previous times using his phone when driving. That says it all for me. When you cycle on the road you CANNOT rely on others to look out for you. I won't hold my breath but if change comes I welcome it.

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Capercaillie | 3 years ago
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Anyone see the blog on here about the police force warning cyclists not to cycle on pavements? The picture chosen to represent this menace was of a mother with a toddler on the back of her bike cycling carefully around pedestrians. Presumably if she'd been on the road they would have warned her of the danger. There's no doubt that most police have the same agenda as most of the public - to get rid of cyclists full stop.

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FluffyKittenofT... replied to Capercaillie | 3 years ago
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Instead of warning cyclists not to cycle on pavements, surely the police should be stopping pedestrians on the pavement and telling them they shouldn't be walking there there because the "aggressive cyclists" make it dangerous? Would at least be consistent. Seems as if they employ different logic for different modes.

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP | 3 years ago
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Attitudes really do need to change. 

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Projectcyclingf... | 3 years ago
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https://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/news/hertfordshire-news/london-st...
IS IT IN ANYWAY SAFE FOR COPS TO DRIVE ON ROADS LIKE THEY TOLD THIS MUM CYCLING WITH HER KIDS ON A ROAD ???

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Rick_Rude | 3 years ago
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Fuck me. We've gone from Sweeney and people falling down the stairs type police to victim blaming, can't really be arsed to tackle any sort of problem police within a generation. My local police are utterly shite, can't even show their face at the local bus station which is full of chavs doing burnouts and not social distancing in any way but yet can take pics of a load of litter drunks left and post it on social media telling us all not to litter.....how about tackling it yourself you useless shits since they were there drinking all day. Then again most cops look like Mr Blobby these days so I bought they could catch a spritely chav in some Nikes. 

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Gary's bike channel | 3 years ago
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all i'll say to that is that at my workplace, i pretty much spend half the day driving around a site, and we've got kids of all ages and adults, cycling about. If i see them i drop the speed to 0 if needed. I wait until it is completely safe. Then i go past saying thankyou. I constantly watch my mirrors and do not like reversing the truck im in, as i cant see behind the tailgate where a kid could be. I give cyclists as much space on the road as physically possible, because i know what its like to feel impatience.  If i can do that all ay in a 3.5 tonne truck, then so can the driver of a 1.5 tonne car for just a few seconds. 

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LetsBePartOfThe... | 3 years ago
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the wobbliness tangent has diverted the point

should parents and children ( and even just children ) be able to use a main road in safety - even without cycling infrastructure. 
Obviously yes. 
If they can't, then it needs addressing right away.
The parked vehicles need - by law change - to be out of the cycling infrastructure so that it can be used as intended. 
The drivers on the main roads need to be further educated that the roads are there for everyone's use, and indeed to expect more cyclists that previously. This is only going to head one way. They may even like to try cycling themselves.

Look how attitudes have ( been ) changed over the years: drink driving, recycling, littering, fossil fuels, plastics. What seems normal today, will seem so unacceptable in hindsight. 
I agree with the earlier comment that one day ( soon ) we'll look back at the car era and wonder what on earth we were thinking of back then

 

 

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handlebarcam | 3 years ago
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At some point in the future, we're going to look back at the 20th and 21st centuries as a crazy era in history when intimidating, murdering, and poisoning the lungs of children was considered acceptable because it meant adults could feel big and powerful in their big and powerful cars. Or to travel to jobs most of which a pandemic has demonstrated are inessential other than to circulate money until it ultimately ends up siphoned off into tax havens. That is if we make it as far as a future without cars, which we might not, in no small part due to all the people who think automobiles are the pinnacle of human development, or who don't think further ahead than the next weekend.

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David9694 replied to handlebarcam | 3 years ago
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however did it come to this?

Well said overall. 
"...who don't think further ahead than the next weekend." - that's one if the most fundamental worries - we don't even have the building blocks to make progress. 

this incident happened in Oxford, of all places!  TVP asked to comment?

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eburtthebike | 3 years ago
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The attitude of the police in this case is indefensible.  They are in charge of making the roads safe for vulnerable users, not condoning and allowing dangerous driving.  I'm glad they seem to be getting so much flak and I hope they'll learn the lesson of not blaming the victim.

Their view is, unfortunately, not just restricted to the police, and many people think that it's your own fault if you dare venture onto the road, not that it is the fault of the people causing the danger.  Fifty years of being told that the car is king, and implying that no-one else should be on the road has clearly had an effect.

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HoarseMann replied to eburtthebike | 3 years ago
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eburtthebike wrote:

The attitude of the police in this case is indefensible.  They are in charge of making the roads safe for vulnerable users, not condoning and allowing dangerous driving.  I'm glad they seem to be getting so much flak and I hope they'll learn the lesson of not blaming the victim.

Their view is, unfortunately, not just restricted to the police, and many people think that it's your own fault if you dare venture onto the road, not that it is the fault of the people causing the danger.  Fifty years of being told that the car is king, and implying that no-one else should be on the road has clearly had an effect.

quite. imagine them pulling a motorist over at 11:30pm because it's dangerous to drive at that time due to the number of drunk drivers on the road.

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I love my bike replied to HoarseMann | 3 years ago
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Or if they were in Wiltshire, I guess their attitude to the poisonings would have been 'Sorry Salisbury, we just can't be *rsed'.

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Bungle_52 replied to eburtthebike | 3 years ago
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I have to disagree. The police are dealing with the reality of the situation. We have become a car centric society and as policing is by consent they find it very difficult to do anything about the current situation. As evidence just look at how jurys and judges deal with motorists who have killed cyclists compared to how cyclists who have killed pedestrians are treated.

Change needs to to come from the bottom. It's not going to come from the top as anyone who goes against the system will not be reelected. Can you imagine the outcry if those parking spaces were allocated to a cycling lane.

The only way forward that I can see is to force motorists to see the road from the cyclists point of view. How to do this. Well, ensuring that any one taking the driving test has passed cycling proficiency may be a start. Making all traffic officers spend at least a week on a push bike may help. You may just get away with making those changes and keeping your job.

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hawkinspeter replied to Bungle_52 | 3 years ago
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Bungle_52 wrote:

I have to disagree. The police are dealing with the reality of the situation. We have become a car centric society and as policing is by consent they find it very difficult to do anything about the current situation. As evidence just look at how jurys and judges deal with motorists who have killed cyclists compared to how cyclists who have killed pedestrians are treated.

Change needs to to come from the bottom. It's not going to come from the top as anyone who goes against the system will not be reelected. Can you imagine the outcry if those parking spaces were allocated to a cycling lane.

The only way forward that I can see is to force motorists to see the road from the cyclists point of view. How to do this. Well, ensuring that any one taking the driving test has passed cycling proficiency may be a start. Making all traffic officers spend at least a week on a push bike may help. You may just get away with making those changes and keeping your job.

The police are tasked with upholding the law and not to perpetuate injustices in society. You could use your argument to justify police ignoring almost anything.

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HoarseMann replied to Bungle_52 | 3 years ago
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Bungle_52 wrote:

I have to disagree. The police are dealing with the reality of the situation.

the reality is this is a residential area, with a 20mph limit and some cycling infrastructure. whilst it's not a cul-de-sac, it's also not the M25.

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