Video tells driving instructors why cyclists ride in primary position

I did actually report her to the DSA, including quotes and screenshots. No reply one week on.

And Facebook won't take the group down, because people bragging about terrorising and expressing violent threats and fantasies about other road users is OK. It's not offensive, like a woman breast feeding...

@northwalessaint

"What we really need is a mandatory re-test every five years. Far too many drivers believe that having passed their test many years ago, they no longer need any instruction.How many people have looked at a Highway Code since they passed their test?"

No we don't need that at all. First off it would be administratively massive as a task and therefore unlikely to work properly and secondly it would cost a huge amount of money to do. Thirdly it would piss off perfectly good safe drivers that would take it seriously and re-apply and pay the fee whilst by passing all the idiots who wouldn't bother.
A lot of bad and dangerous driving hasn't got anything at all to do with a the driver's ability to drive safely, to control their vehicle or undertand the rules that apply. This is what the driving test tests. The most aggressive lunatic driver can simply pass that test standing on their head and blowing a trumpet.

What we need is the police to be far more active in monitoring and taking action againt errant motorists in the process of which they would inevitably find that particluar drivers appeared fairly often on their radar.

Acyive and committed roads policing would also have the effect of making sure that drivers understood that they would stand a pretty good chance of being pulled up for bad or aggressive driving. At the moment the chances are pretty slim so many think it's worth the risk because the chances of being caught are small.

And you don't even need to increase the penalties. If nearly everytime a driver exceeded the speed limit they stood even a 10% chance of incurring a fine and 3 points then speeding would practically cease. Many drivers would have 3 points within days. The slow learners would be looking at enough points for a ban in week or so.

However when people lose their licence through poor driving it ought to be considerably more difficult than it is to get it back. A mere extended test is not enough. It should be a full accredited points based course conducted over many months and at their own expense and with restrictions then imposed on the type and power of the vehicle they may drive for a period of time after that.

Like any blanket proposal such as mandatory retests, it only really affects the people that take rules and compliance seriously. It doesn't impact the bad drivers. They just have to drive sensibly for an hour for the test and then carry on like before.
Leave the good drivers alone go after the bad ones.

What we really need is a mandatory re-test every five years. Far too many drivers believe that having passed their test many years ago, they no longer need any instruction.How many people have looked at a Highway Code since they passed their test?

That was great. Very nice to see.

Aye, that's the one. Some standards.

'I can't get onto FB right now but can't someone flag the content of the page as offensive with FB?'

"We reviewed the Page you reported for harassment and found that it doesn't violate our Community Standards."

Facebook won't give a crap. There are a number of pages like this on there, and if a particular hatred doesn't fit into their narrow scheme they will just send a template message back to you saying "this page / comment does not violate our terms of service". They're perfectly happy to make money off of hate speech click bait.

I can't get onto FB right now but can't someone flag the content of the page as offensive with FB?

Is there a hate page like this for every minority group? I'd be interested to see how many I fit into.

here's the link to the group
https://www.facebook.com/pages/God-I-fucking-hate-cyclists-using-the-roa...
the offending poster has removed her comments after a number of people pointed out how hate-messages are liable to be taken very seriously.
A bit of Googling reveals she works for a driving school in Bristol:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/TSR-School-of-motoring/285163541635087

I was marvelling at a driving instructor (TSR School of Motoring in Bristol/Bath, if you ride in the area and want to know who to avoid) - she was quite merrily posting in the 'God I hate f**king cyclists using the road' group, saying that she 'hated all twat cyclists' and that they should 'ALL be shot on sight, esp twats in lycra', whilst also calling cyclists 'c**ts'. Just to be extra classy, she also posted a photo from that incident in Mexico where a drunk driver drove into a load of cyclists, killing one, claiming that it was her 'favourite picture ever'.

Yes, this person is teaching drivers of the future. Awesome.

A big problem with driver perception and taking the primary, is when narrow cycle paint lanes are present, especially those that make the existing main lane, just wide enough for motorised traffic.

Drivers expect cyclists to be in them but they often create more dangers for cyclists (drains, debris, visability, left hooks, close passes at speed, door zone, cars on minor roads nudging out onto them, the list goes on ...)

Until these token cycle lanes are removed (unlikely), drivers will be 'justified' in thinking we should be in them.

I like this video (more examples of junctions, blind bends and pinch points would be nice), wish someone had shown it to the instructor / learner who did a close (< 1 foot) pass on me yesterday, then stopped at a junction with the back half of the car in the ASL box.

Positive collaboration can't be a bad thing. I'm going to link this to my driving instruction website. I hope my colleagues do the same.

Excellent vidio in my opinion

OK, I haven't watched the video (it's a bit long for my short attention span) but I do feel that there is an in-built problem with driver instruction.

Most driving instructors are inevitably 'car people'. Folks who like cars and driving and have made a career out of it. There's nothing wrong with this per se (how many of us would like to make a living from somthing bike related) but it does mean that the people teaching new drivers are not typically individials who cycle regularally or who have much empathy with cyclists.

I'd like to see a system whereby learning to drive was a staggered process, the first stage being some sort of assesment of a persons ability to conduct themselves properly on a bicycle. This would be followed by a similar assesment on a motorcycle before finally being able to take a test in the car. As every driver would have to spend time on a bike and a motorbike in order to gain a car licence they would automatically be more aware of cyclists and motorcyclists.

I give Driving instructors' cars the same wide berth as I give Addison Lee taxis. Whether piloted by a learner (justifiable lack of experience) or the instructor (spend all day on the road, drive like they own it) they're a bleedin' menace.

Bill Plant, I'm looking at you.

I had to go on a speed course about 5 years ago in lieu of some points on my licence. Shame on me. In those days such courses included a practical out on the road with an instructor.

As we came up behind a road cyclist, on a narrow country road, the instructor said to me that as the cyclist knew what he was doing and wasn't wobbling, we should overtake him nice an close, even though I couldn't see whether there was anything coming in the other direction.

It was shocking.

*what* a shirt.

This is great but who's going to teach the millions of people that *already* drive and don't realise that cyclists aren't supposed to be hugging the kerb throughout their journey?

Brilliant Video. Shame it was let down by both the Bikability Guy and the Driving Instructor(assuming that the car following and filming the bike) stopping in the middle of a Box junction. Jesus. 2 steps forward, 1 step back.