NICE comes out for active travel and 20mph limits

You have to wonder how many more organisations need to stand up and announce the numerous benefits of utility cycling before people will actually take notice?

But, will people ever take notice?

I had notice of a planning application through my door the other day, for the redevelopment of a local college building behind my house to provide some new homes. Amongst the documents supporting the application was a copy of the college's travel plan, which gave numerous stats as to how people travel to the college.

I was surprised to note that 76% of staff use their own car, despite 61% of staff living less than 10 miles away (and nearly 40% living less than 4 miles away). In more specific response to questions about cycling, 61% simply said they would *never* cycle to work... This is despite the college offering both secure bicycle parking and shower facilities, and being located centrally in a town with good cycle routes in all directions. I know full well that the traffic in the area on an average morning is horrendous too, so it would easily be quicker to cycle short distances to get there.

As they say, you can lead a horse to water...

Many of our European neighbors have a 40 km limit in urban areas, simply swapping out 30 mph for 25 mph does not seem to have occurred to those in authority in the uk, my local authority (Gateshead in the north east) have 20 mph signage only a few yards after 30 mph signs in some places. They are also creating "cycle routes" where people riding cycles are being asked to "join footway" where the footway is half a metre wide in places and often covered in debris it is shocking that funding earmarked for cycle routes is being used to sweep cyclists off roads and onto footways and in fact increasing risk to those who are walking and those who are cycling.

I fully support 20mph, as do most people but enforcing this is impossible with current resources. In fleet, hampshire they have introduced this on some roads that can be used as a bypass of the high street and therefore it does get fairly heavy road use. It does feel incredibly slow @20 in a car and on numerous occasions I have had aggressive drivers right up my backside or even overtaking me making the road even more dangerous.

Unless enforced - and I would love to see the idiots losing their licences - then the other option is education, really, really drive home the message, spend some money on media, not just sticking up another bit of road furniture or a sign.

Yeah, I saw that one. They were talking about permeability in all forms there though, pretty much anything that is not a full street going past front doors. If you choose to have such a limited form of a network then you'll have to be a lot more draconian to get lower speeds and more walking and cycling.

the Police it seems don't like filtered permeability as it means criminals can escape them by simply nipping down through a set of bollards on their scooters...

https://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2015/02/23/secured-by-design/

Not one mention of dedicated segregated cycling infrastructure to protect all these unhealthy fuckers who will be wobbling around on bikes. So instead of prescribing pills are NICE going to start dishing out bikes and running shoes instead? And who is going to pay for all these bikes and what type of bikes - Boris bikes?

Simplist thing would be to force smokers to stop smoking, alcoholics to stop drinking and fat fuckers from troffing.

As long as you are willing to try and ride out the backlash, the easiest way is to go with filtered permeability rather than traffic calming. Costs largely limited to installation of bollards and the streets you want to be 20mph end up that way by default, as they lose any kind of through-route use. Walking and cycling numbers get a boost as they become the obvious choice for more trips.

Totally agree re: more 20mph zones, and more camera enforcement - I say this as both a cyclist and the owner of 2 cars...

Agreed, statistics can be taken out of context and twisted.

But the 20mph is pretty much proven to reduce casualties (particularly serious injuries and deaths).

But the main benefit is making urban roads 'feel' safer for pedestrians and cyclists which helps to raise levels of cycling and walking.

The 30mph limit was brought in in 1934, road conditions, traffic density and street design were a lot different then.

http://www.livingstreets.org.uk/sites/default/files/content/library/tool...

@Dropped

Completely agree about cameras - you can never have enough Police on the streets to catch the bulk of offenders, but cameras could easily provide adequate coverage, and enough of a depth of coverage to change driver behaviour

TFL have proposed having the current situation with the ASL "bike box" decriminalized, currently a Police officer has to witness a motorist driving across the first stop line and into the bike box after the red traffic light has changed.

Needless to say, I see this driver behaviour every day during my commute, and no one is challenging it apart from irate cyclists - yesterday I saw a black cab drive into right of the bike box next to a group of waiting cyclists in Regents Park, and the Taxi driver was loudly heckled by the cyclists.

With this offence (which equates to jumping a red light i.e. FPN of £100 and 3 points on the license) changed from being a criminal to civil offence, TFL could use cameras with ANPR to apply financial penalties.

Nothing like hitting someone in the pocket, to change their behaviour, as motorists know the chances of a Police person actually witnessing them doing this, as very slim.

Since when do councils listen to NICE guidelines? They dont even listen to the department for transport guidelines when it comes to designing cycle infrastructure!

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30mph limits are perfectly fine

No they are not.

http://www.20splentyforus.org.uk/BriefingSheets/Love20.pdf

There is now a growing amount of evidence that 20mph in urban areas reduces accident rates and improves the levels of walking and cycling.

20 mph is a good thing.

Luckily bikes aren't subject to speed limits (as I understand it), so the faster amongst us can zoom (safely!) ahead of all the cars!

We are getting a 20mph limit down our road and several others in the area. All these roads have speed bumps on them anyway which many drivers seem to see as some sort of test how fast they can go over them.

The new 20mph limits won't be policed so the local council will spend loads of money putting in signs everywhere and there will be no benefit or improvement in driving standards whatsoever.

30mph limits are perfectly fine, they just aren't policed so people get away with going as fast as they want to.

"The briefing also see NICE weigh in to the contentious issue of 20mph speed limits, with a position that's strongly in favour. It says: "Implementing 20 mph zones, with priority given to protecting children and young people in disadvantaged areas who face the greatest risk, could lead to a 100% return on investment in the first 12 months."

are NICE going to pay the huge increase in Policing costs that are needed to actually make the 20 mph zones a reality?

Several London boroughs, including my home borough of Camden, have had a borough-wide 20 mph blanket for several years, but there is little to no evidence that it is being policed.

Indeed, the local Police commander admitted to the Camden New Journal newspaper, that he did not have the resources to effectively enforce this policy.

The state of driving in LB Camden is shockingly bad, with motorists regularly speeding, jumping lights, red light gambling, driving through pedestrian crossings when a pedestrian has right of way, driving into the ASL after the lights have turned red, driving whilst using hand held phones, acting aggressively at junctions towards cyclists and pedestrians, etc.

double post!