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Fran Ventoso: Disc brakes should never have been allowed in peloton

Movistar rider says disc brake caused deep cut to his leg at Paris-Roubaix

Movistar rider Fran Ventoso says disc brakes should never have been allowed into the professional peloton after sustaining deep cuts to his leg in a crash at Paris-Roubaix on Sunday.

Two teams rode the cobbled Classic on bikes equipped with disc brakes, which have been trialled in road races since last year – Italy’s Lampre-Merida, and the French outfit, Direct Energie.

The crash, which happened on the Quérénaing sector with 115 kilometres to ride, was the one that saw the field split, ultimately putting paid to the hopes of the men who started the race as joint favourites, Fabian Cancellara and Peter Sagan.

The 33-year-old rider, who has been with Movistar for six years, posted his open letter to Facebook – there is an English translation beneath the Spanish text – along with graphic pictures of his injuries.

He made it clear that he welcomed disc brakes being used in cyclo-cross races, as well as by amateur riders in sportives, but turning to professional road races, said; “Was there really anyone who thought things like Sunday’s wouldn’t happen? Really nobody thought they were dangerous? Nobody realised they can cut, they can become giant knives?”

Recalling the crash that led to his injury, he said there were “riders falling everywhere. I’ve got to brake but I can’t avoid crashing against the rider in front of me, who was also trying not to hit the ones ahead.

“I didn’t actually fall down: it was only my leg touching the back of his bike. I keep riding. But shortly afterwards, I have a glance at that leg: it doesn’t hurt, there’s not a lot of blood covering it, but I can clearly see part of the periosteum, the membrane or surface that covers my tibia.

“I get off my bike, throw myself against the right-hand side of the road over the grass, cover my face with my hands in shock and disbelief, start to feel sick … I could only wait for my team car and the ambulance, while a lot of things come through my mind.”

Ventoso said that shortly after his crash, the Etixx-Quick Step rider Nikolas Maes (pictured left here after crashing in the Arenberg Trench) was brought to the same ambulance, with a deep cut to his knee apparently caused by a disc brake.

Paris Roubaix Maes - 1.jpg

Pointing out that 16 bikes were each equipped with a pair of disc brakes making a total of 32, he continued: “One question comes inevitably and immediately to one’s mind: what will happen when 396 discs get into a race where 198 riders ferociously battle for position?”

“Disc brakes should have NEVER arrived into the peloton, not at least as we know them right now,” Ventoso went on.

“I haven’t met any rider who has run out of braking power with traditional brakes; I haven’t known anyone who didn’t see his wheels skidding when you brake with all power you’ve got, no matter traditional or disc brakes. Then: why using them?”

Highlighting that disc brakes could also cause issues with wheel changes, including for neutral service providers, he likened them to “giant machetes,” adding, “I’ve been lucky: I didn’t get my leg chopped off, it’s just some muscle and skin. But can you imagine that disc cutting a jugular or a femoral vein? I would prefer not to.”

Ventoso called on fellow professionals to demand action regarding the use of disc brakes before anyone became seriously injured or worse.

“We always think that it’s not a problem if it doesn’t happen to ourselves. We always wait for horrible things to happen in order to take measures. Sooner or later, it could happen to anybody: it’s a matter of probability, we’ve all got the same.”

He concluded: “Discs produce cuts. This time it was me; tomorrow, it can be more serious and happen to others.”

The trialling of disc brakes in professional road races has proved to be one of the more contentious issues in the sport in the past year or so.

In February, former UCI president Pat McQuaid said it was “totally ridiculous” to permit their use in the peloton, and that the governing body had been “irresponsible” to allow them.

“Rather than carrying out tests, the UCI has left it to the teams to choose between using traditional brakes or disc brakes,” he said. “That’s irresponsible!

“Now there are two kinds of braking system in the peloton. Disc brakes are more powerful than ones using pads, but are vulnerable to shock and in the event of a crash can cause injuries.”

> McQuaid – Permitting disc brakes in peloton “totally ridiculous”

In December last year, after the UCI confirmed that disc brakes would be allowed in WorldTour races this season, the professional riders’ association, CPA, said it would survey its members to find out their views on them and present its findings to the UCI. No findings have to date been made public.

The CPA said at the time: “Certainly our sport is also a mechanical sport, but so far, research and innovation should not be implemented without considering the priority concerns of the riders, especially in terms of security,” it declares in a press release today.

“On numerous occasions we have exposed the various problems associated with this technology.”

> Do pros want disc brakes or not?

Among star riders to have expressed opinions on disc brakes is Vincenzo Nibali.

The Astana rider is widely held to be the best descender in the peloton in the rain – a situation where disc brakes would provide extra stopping power compared to conventional rim brakes.

He said last year that  he welcomed the opportunity to use them but added that he had reservations about how safe they would be in a crash involving multiple riders.

Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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Carton replied to Walo | 8 years ago
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I think actually it's the front rotor, in particular, is poses an extra risk for racers since they crash into each other so often. 

You can get cut by spokes, actually, they're far, far more dangerous than disks if you land horizontally on them while they're spinning. But you tend to bounce of them easier, they pose nearly no risk while stationary, and they stick out far less than discs.

In any case I agree with this sentiment above all:

Walo wrote:

Let the pros decide what they want to brake with, us mere mortals we can use whatever we find more suitable anyway.

I, for one, am likely never buying another rim-braked bike.

Yet pro cycling exists in great part nowadays -I'm guessing more than half of team funding comes from the bike industry- as a marketing showroom. So it's quite interesting that it's a real possibility that for the first time pro road bikes are going to start looking very different than the ones many if not most amateurs ride.

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Butty replied to Walo | 8 years ago
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Walo wrote:

The point is you cannot get hurt by a rotating chainset as it is almost permanently covered by a riders leg and the rotating crank arm.  A rotating disc remains an rotating knive, mostly unprotected. I would also rate a stationary disc as more dangerous than a stationary chainring with a chain on it (high speed accidents happens with the chain on the big ring).

Let the pros decide what they want to brake with, us mere mortals we can use whatever we find more suitable anyway.

The chainset is protected until a crash, then the chain very often comes off from the impact and voila, a spinning jagged flesh gouger.

This link has a picture of Canellara's tumble(as well as Ventoso's injury for those of a nervous disposition).

http://www.procycling.no/skrekkskade-stanser-bruk-av-skivebremser/

 

It shows not only a back wheel with cassette ready to mow down riders as it brakes for freedom down the road, but also the bike upside down, chain come loose and chainset ready to buzzsaw into anything in the way.

Luckily the Etixx rider isn't nearer as he could have lost his crown jewels, or Sagan's trailing leg didn't come down on it.

 

Although I have disc brakes, I could move back to rim brakes, so long as they could be hydraulically activated. It is the modulation and feel that is the real benefit IMHO.

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whobiggs replied to Butty | 8 years ago
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It shows not only a back wheel with cassette ready to mow down riders as it brakes for freedom down the road, but also the bike upside down, chain come loose and chainset ready to buzzsaw into anything in the way.

 

 

Ah a through axle would have stopped that flying missile fro being launched. 

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1961BikiE | 8 years ago
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Did David Miller ask for chainsets and chains to be removed from the pro peloton after his neck/throat was cut up after a crash in a race a few years ago? There is a risk from many parts of a bike in a multi rider pile up. I suppose adding disk rotors does increase another part to bikes that comprise injury. Personally I'd be more worried about the risk posed by too many media/support motorbikes in amongst the petition. IMHO

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tedder | 8 years ago
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Isn't the chainring as dangerous and more exposed? Yet I haven't seen much clamor over it risking someone's femoral artery.

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FerrisBFW replied to tedder | 8 years ago
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tedder wrote:

Isn't the chainring as dangerous and more exposed? Yet I haven't seen much clamor over it risking someone's femoral artery.

That is a good point.  I experienced exactly this in the back of my calf when I was wacked by a bloke with his shopping bag whilst riding on a cycle path in Brizzle years ago  1

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fenix replied to tedder | 8 years ago
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tedder wrote:

Isn't the chainring as dangerous and more exposed? Yet I haven't seen much clamor over it risking someone's femoral artery.

Not really. It's the big ring that's exposed and most of the time that is covered by a chain.

Also what crash would you have a spinning chainset? A spinning wheel much more likely.

Let the pros vote and go with what they want. It's their flesh on the line.

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wycombewheeler replied to fenix | 8 years ago
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fenix wrote:
tedder wrote:

Isn't the chainring as dangerous and more exposed? Yet I haven't seen much clamor over it risking someone's femoral artery.

Not really. It's the big ring that's exposed and most of the time that is covered by a chain.

Also what crash would you have a spinning chainset? A spinning wheel much more likely.

Let the pros vote and go with what they want. It's their flesh on the line.

A crash with a secret e bike perhaps.

But really the sharp edges are not integral to the function of the discs as the pads only touch the sides. Why can the discs not be made with a smooth radius at the edge? It might add a bit to the cost, but if it takes away yhe objection it would be worth it.

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Ghisallo replied to wycombewheeler | 8 years ago
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wycombewheeler wrote:

Why can the discs not be made with a smooth radius at the edge?

They're thin enough that this wouldn't have much of a dulling effect, if any, to my mind.

I hope the amateur governing bodies are paying attention. Please no disc brakes in amateur races either! They must act now before it's a fait accompli.

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balmybaldwin replied to tedder | 8 years ago
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tedder wrote:

Isn't the chainring as dangerous and more exposed? Yet I haven't seen much clamor over it risking someone's femoral artery.

 

It is dangerous, but far less exposed. it also much less likely to hit another rider at anything like full tilt like a front disc might... i.e. the bike will generally be on the floor for another rider to be injured by it. I think it's much more likely to injure the person riding the bike than someone else.

I have a lovely set of about 14 scars where my freewheel broke during a mtb race 20 years ago and the chainring went into my calf... I just got a row of deep piercings - didn't stop me racing later that day.

 

The other thing with disc brakes is they get hot and can get very hot - change the colour of metal hot.  When they are hot they will cut much easier as well as burn.

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FerrisBFW | 8 years ago
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I dont ride in the Pro Peloton and ride on wet horrible roads most of the winter and love my new winter bike with brilliant disc brakes  1

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