US driver who killed five cyclists found guilty of murder

Housecathst wrote:

I doubt a jury of uk motorists would have even returned a guilty verdict. 

I doubt it would have even got to anywheree near such a charge, it'd be death by careless because the CPS are gutless and our system is wank. You only need look at the poor sods from Rhyll CC who were killed by a motorist who was going at excessive speed on a corner in icy conditions, that they had bald tyres was neither here nor there, outcome, a fine of £180 for breaching technical regulations (Construction and Use). That's just one of many.

The Rhyll incident is nearly 12 years ago (there's a long piece in the Independant here https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/fatal-journey-the-sto... and on the day the police inspector publicly stated

"The driver has lost control because of the ice on the road. There is no indication to suggest that this is down to something like excessive speed.

"Our best estimate at the moment is that the car is driving at something like 50 miles per hour. And on a road like this, that isn't excessive speed.

All of which was a cover up and lies. They lost control because of excessive speed, the vicar who the driver had overtaken did not crash on the bend, nor had anyone else that morning. That speed when the conditions were not "fine" but known to be icy WERE excessive on a road like that never mind on a bend. the CI went on to call it a "tragic accident", tragic yes but not an accident which was also a lie. This similar thinking is repeated up and down the country by police and on many occasions fail to even press for charges (see Michael Mason case) The comparison to the Alliston case should made because one got absolutely ragged in the national media and social media and charged to the hilt and the other deliberately speeding in icy conditions got off utterly scot free.

Combine that with a weak inadeuate, ill trained/educated CPS and piss poor prep, their failure to charge at the correct level, inability of government to look at how to make the changes in law when other motorists are unwilling, despite clear evidence/facts to prosecute their own because they are incapable of seeing the facts/understanding the danger and indeed the law, as well as the well I would have done the same so I don't see anything wrong thinking.

And from that the lowering of the standard of driving across the board and so we have what we have. Virtual lawlessness and a police force unwilling to tackle the issues and a justice system that is massively flawed and not fit for purpose.

Whilst some of the way the US charges for certain crimes is utterly ridiculous and is too far the other way when it comes to killing/harming people I think they are closer to justice than we are, by a long way.

Housecathst wrote:

I doubt a jury of uk motorists would have even returned a guilty verdict. 

I disagree, from reports on verdictsfor death by dangerous driving it seems that to be convicted you must be 

a) on drink or drugs

b) a foreigner

all other cases no matter how foolish the driving, it will never be more thasn death by careless because enough members of the jury will consider the driving to be reasonable