Near Miss of the Day 189: Motorist drives onto roundabout without looking

grahamTDF wrote:

This roundabout is on my commute too, more often than not I let out a girly whimper as cars start to pull out when I am clearly RIGHT THERE.

Yeah, but you're only a bike 

(I wonder how much a diamond tipped lance would be?  Mount it alongside the top tube, pointing forward a couple of feet out in front of the bike, make a very nasty mark, wouldn't it...?)

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tsarouxaz wrote:

The title is wrong, who ever said he os she did't look??? THEY LOOK BUT THEY DON'T CARE!!

As is often the way it’s hard to say for sure, but it does appear that this driver didn’t look at all: there’s no head movement - those are the ones I always hoot when I’m in my car, even if the infraction to me wasn’t that bad, I.e. close.  Mostly there’s no apparent reaction to that either.

And some with some drivers, another vehicle, especially two wheeled,simply doesn’t register. 

This is why I caution against the “oh, we all have days like that sometimes ” nobody’s perfect idea, which translates into “oh yes, we all have days where we nearly injure or kill someone” and juries and magistrates not convicting where they should.

David9694 wrote:

This is why I caution against the “oh, we all have days like that sometimes ” nobody’s perfect idea, which translates into “oh yes, we all have days where we nearly injure or kill someone” and juries and magistrates not convicting where they should.

This.  Very much, this. 

whobiggs wrote:

Does that even warrant a complaint? 

You’re right, he should definitely wait until an incident when he actually gets hit and suffers goodness knows what sort of injuries.

gmac101 wrote:

I recorded a similar incident this summer.  Forwarded the footage to the Met and to my surprise they issued a NIP.  Not heard anything since mind but even a NIP might have made the driver think twice.

When I got a letter from TVP saying they issued an NIP it was quite a while until I got a follow up letter which said the driver (giving their name) has accepted and completed a driver awareness course. It could be that they have accepted it but you won’t get anything until they have actually been, or points have been accepted. IE until it is all closed.

steelerswheels wrote:

Oh what a surprise - its a Mini driver!  In my experience, some of the biggest tools on the road drive Minis.

thats not a Mini thats a Maxi. and not all MINI drivers are bad, some of us ride bicycles too

steelerswheels wrote:

Oh what a surprise - its a Mini driver!  In my experience, some of the biggest tools on the road drive Minis.

Well, I'll say it if no one else will...the driver is not just a Mini driver but...ALSO FEMALE!!

Down here, upon the Mornington Peninsula (1 hour out of Melbourne & PACKED with tourists from now until April of next year, due to the beautiful beaches either side of the peninsula - bay on one side, ocean on the other), we have the INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS combination of elderly retired drivers of both genders &/or mothers dropping off/picking up their kids from school & bloody SUV's - & each of these types of driver - particularly when driving an SUV - seems to be completely oblivious to other drivers & riders upon the road.

And all too often, I find that the mothers who drive SUVs - with their screaming little $hits in the back (who are clearly not sufficiently distracted by the bloody TV that's playing solely for their entertainment, in the rear half of the vehicle) & their collective false senses of security in their ridiculous, unneccessarily over-sized, gas-guzzling** vehicles - are actually MORE dangerous than the octogenarians in their little Hondas & Toyotas down here.

Call me a misogynist all you like but while I'm 45 & have NEVER been involved in a car or motorcycle accident, I can honestly say that I don't know an adult female who HASN'T been involved in AT LEAST one car accident in which she was at fault. There's sexism, there's opinions & then there's plain, old-fashioned, straight-up FACTS. And 'political correctness' (really just another word for lying/not being forthright, in order to spare someone's feelings) can ki$$ my nether regions.

**And yet, these same people rave on about how much they care for the environemnt & want their kids to have a decent climate when they're older.

wunderkind73 wrote:

steelerswheels wrote:

Oh what a surprise - its a Mini driver!  In my experience, some of the biggest tools on the road drive Minis.

Well, I'll say it if no one else will...the driver is not just a Mini driver but...ALSO FEMALE!!

Down here, upon the Mornington Peninsula (1 hour out of Melbourne & PACKED with tourists from now until April of next year, due to the beautiful beaches either side of the peninsula - bay on one side, ocean on the other), we have the INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS combination of elderly retired drivers of both genders &/or mothers dropping off/picking up their kids from school & bloody SUV's - & each of these types of driver - particularly when driving an SUV - seems to be completely oblivious to other drivers & riders upon the road.

And all too often, I find that the mothers who drive SUVs - with their screaming little $hits in the back (who are clearly not sufficiently distracted by the bloody TV that's playing solely for their entertainment, in the rear half of the vehicle) & their collective false senses of security in their ridiculous, unneccessarily over-sized, gas-guzzling** vehicles - are actually MORE dangerous than the octogenarians in their little Hondas & Toyotas down here.

Call me a misogynist all you like but while I'm 45 & have NEVER been involved in a car or motorcycle accident, I can honestly say that I don't know an adult female who HASN'T been involved in AT LEAST one car accident in which she was at fault. There's sexism, there's opinions & then there's plain, old-fashioned, straight-up FACTS. And 'political correctness' (really just another word for lying/not being forthright, in order to spare someone's feelings) can ki$$ my nether regions.

**And yet, these same people rave on about how much they care for the environemnt & want their kids to have a decent climate when they're older.

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wunderkind73 wrote:

steelerswheels wrote:

Oh what a surprise - its a Mini driver!  In my experience, some of the biggest tools on the road drive Minis.

Well, I'll say it if no one else will... /snip

"Some of my best friends are..."

wunderkind73 wrote:

Well, I'll say it if no one else will...the driver is not just a Mini driver but...ALSO FEMALE!!

Down here, upon the Mornington Peninsula (1 hour out of Melbourne & PACKED with tourists from now until April of next year, due to the beautiful beaches either side of the peninsula - bay on one side, ocean on the other), we have the INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS combination of elderly retired drivers of both genders &/or mothers dropping off/picking up their kids from school & bloody SUV's - & each of these types of driver - particularly when driving an SUV - seems to be completely oblivious to other drivers & riders upon the road.

And all too often, I find that the mothers who drive SUVs - with their screaming little $hits in the back (who are clearly not sufficiently distracted by the bloody TV that's playing solely for their entertainment, in the rear half of the vehicle) & their collective false senses of security in their ridiculous, unneccessarily over-sized, gas-guzzling** vehicles - are actually MORE dangerous than the octogenarians in their little Hondas & Toyotas down here.

Call me a misogynist all you like but while I'm 45 & have NEVER been involved in a car or motorcycle accident, I can honestly say that I don't know an adult female who HASN'T been involved in AT LEAST one car accident in which she was at fault. There's sexism, there's opinions & then there's plain, old-fashioned, straight-up FACTS. And 'political correctness' (really just another word for lying/not being forthright, in order to spare someone's feelings) can ki$$ my nether regions.

**And yet, these same people rave on about how much they care for the environemnt & want their kids to have a decent climate when they're older.

Huh?

There's plenty of bad drivers, both male and female, but if you really want to break it down by gender, then you'll find that women are statistically safer drivers. This is why women will often get reduced car insurance compared to a man due to their reduced chance of causing the insurance company to pay out.

That's factual.

Here's some unbiased stats for you (from https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/86593/men-vs-women-...):

Quote:

Challenging the notion that men are kings of the road, dealer giant the Jennings Motor Group compiled data from various sources to suggest that the fairer sex is more skilled at the wheel.

It found that 57 per cent of male drivers have been involved in a crash, compared to 44 per cent of women; 46 per cent of men had what was described as a ‘close call’ with a cyclist or pedestrian, compared to 35 per cent of women; and 68 per cent of UK women have a clean driving licence, against 64 per cent of men.

hawkinspeter wrote:

wunderkind73 wrote:

Well, I'll say it if no one else will...the driver is not just a Mini driver but...ALSO FEMALE!!

Down here, upon the Mornington Peninsula (1 hour out of Melbourne & PACKED with tourists from now until April of next year, due to the beautiful beaches either side of the peninsula - bay on one side, ocean on the other), we have the INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS combination of elderly retired drivers of both genders &/or mothers dropping off/picking up their kids from school & bloody SUV's - & each of these types of driver - particularly when driving an SUV - seems to be completely oblivious to other drivers & riders upon the road.

And all too often, I find that the mothers who drive SUVs - with their screaming little $hits in the back (who are clearly not sufficiently distracted by the bloody TV that's playing solely for their entertainment, in the rear half of the vehicle) & their collective false senses of security in their ridiculous, unneccessarily over-sized, gas-guzzling** vehicles - are actually MORE dangerous than the octogenarians in their little Hondas & Toyotas down here.

Call me a misogynist all you like but while I'm 45 & have NEVER been involved in a car or motorcycle accident, I can honestly say that I don't know an adult female who HASN'T been involved in AT LEAST one car accident in which she was at fault. There's sexism, there's opinions & then there's plain, old-fashioned, straight-up FACTS. And 'political correctness' (really just another word for lying/not being forthright, in order to spare someone's feelings) can ki$$ my nether regions.

**And yet, these same people rave on about how much they care for the environemnt & want their kids to have a decent climate when they're older.

Huh?

There's plenty of bad drivers, both male and female, but if you really want to break it down by gender, then you'll find that women are statistically safer drivers. This is why women will often get reduced car insurance compared to a man due to their reduced chance of causing the insurance company to pay out.

That's factual.

Here's some unbiased stats for you (from https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/86593/men-vs-women-...):

Quote:

Challenging the notion that men are kings of the road, dealer giant the Jennings Motor Group compiled data from various sources to suggest that the fairer sex is more skilled at the wheel.

It found that 57 per cent of male drivers have been involved in a crash, compared to 44 per cent of women; 46 per cent of men had what was described as a ‘close call’ with a cyclist or pedestrian, compared to 35 per cent of women; and 68 per cent of UK women have a clean driving licence, against 64 per cent of men.

Was going to say the same thing.  Ironic that someone rants about facts (sorry, "FACTS", in capital letters so presumably better) while not knowing any.

Though don't EU rules now ban insurers from taking those facts into account when pricing car insurance?

wunderkind73 wrote:

< I can honestly say that I don't know an adult female who HASN'T been involved in AT LEAST one car accident in which she was at fault. There's sexism, there's opinions & then there's plain, old-fashioned, straight-up FACTS.

That will be why as a group, insurance for women is lower than that for men as they must be more risky.

wunderkind73 wrote:

steelerswheels wrote:

Oh what a surprise - its a Mini driver!  In my experience, some of the biggest tools on the road drive Minis.

Well, I'll say it if no one else will...the driver is not just a Mini driver but...ALSO FEMALE!!

...bollocks and other guff...

How quaint, an actual old fashioned (white) mysogynist. I'd be tempted to prod it with a stick but as it is from Australia it might well be venemous.

steelerswheels wrote:

Oh what a surprise - its a Mini driver!  In my experience, some of the biggest tools on the road drive Minis.

certainly are lol

https://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/local-news/car-stuck-on-guided-bus...

Applecart wrote:

 You should basically be prepared to stop unless they have made direct eye contact with you - this is how I ride anyway 

Ride and drive like this folks. Assume basically everyone on the road is running from some fear in their warped tiny minds, have some crisis they are churning over in their head.... if you think of some long journey you do in a car and try and recall any of the actual journey, you can't, most people are just running on auto-pilot. If they have some little extra sh*te going on in their minds or their life, or they just saw something wierd are calming down from some road rage, whatever, then they're only going to miss you and its by your good luck that you'll get away with it... not that its right and not that they don't deserve a massive wake up shout, but thats just flawed humans for you.

Look555 wrote:

Applecart wrote:

 You should basically be prepared to stop unless they have made direct eye contact with you - this is how I ride anyway 

Ride and drive like this folks. Assume basically everyone on the road is running from some fear in their warped tiny minds, have some crisis they are churning over in their head.... if you think of some long journey you do in a car and try and recall any of the actual journey, you can't, most people are just running on auto-pilot. If they have some little extra sh*te going on in their minds or their life, or they just saw something wierd are calming down from some road rage, whatever, then they're only going to miss you and its by your good luck that you'll get away with it... not that its right and not that they don't deserve a massive wake up shout, but thats just flawed humans for you.

...and they’ll get away with it too. From a self-preservation POV I can’t argue with this, but let’s not forget that all that flawed humans stuff  is mixed with still choosing (a lot may say they had no choice, “how am I supposed to...” etc) to drive the half tonne killing machine.

I try to discipline myself not to swear in these situations  - people are very quick to whip out the “you’re swearing in front of my kids”. Just say “are we looking?” repeatedly - when you bellow it is just comes out as “LOOKING!!”

It’s the apparent lack of any reaction at all from the driver that worries me the most.