Protesters against “reckless” cyclists block Hackney street

Sriracha wrote:

Let's be clear here, it is residents, not the bogeymen motorists, who are complaining about cyclists. There comes a point where cyclists should listen and try to understand the other person's point of view.

I think you've wandered into the wrong forum, mate

Sriracha wrote:

Let's be clear here, it is residents, not the bogeymen motorists, who are complaining about cyclists. There comes a point where cyclists should listen and try to understand the other person's point of view.

I think you've wandered into the wrong forum, mate

leaway2 wrote:

Sriracha wrote:

Let's be clear here, it is residents, not the bogeymen motorists, who are complaining about cyclists. There comes a point where cyclists should listen and try to understand the other person's point of view.

I think you've wandered into the wrong forum, mate

I think you clicked 'post' too many times, mate

Sriracha wrote:

Let's be clear here, it is residents, not the bogeymen motorists, who are complaining about cyclists. There comes a point where cyclists should listen and try to understand the other person's point of view.

I missed the bit where they're petitioning for the road to be closed to all vehicles for the safety of their children...  Oh, right, just want the pesky cyclists banned, then... 

brooksby wrote:

Sriracha wrote:

Let's be clear here, it is residents, not the bogeymen motorists, who are complaining about cyclists. There comes a point where cyclists should listen and try to understand the other person's point of view.

I missed the bit where they're petitioning for the road to be closed to all vehicles for the safety of their children...  Oh, right, just want the pesky cyclists banned, then... 

The crass stupidity of the masses makes me despair.

The World Health Organisation reported 1.35 million people killed by vehicle operators in 2016 (Global status report on road safety 2018 WHO/NMH/NVI/18.20), the majority by use of excess speed, intoxication and 'distraction' caused by the use of mobile devices.

But these thick c**ts want bikes banned.

Any other human activity which resulted in the death of 3,699 deaths every single day, would be a public health emergency in every country on earth.   But it's vehicles and their operators, so well... LOOK, A CYCLIST ISN'T WEARING HI-VIZ!!!!!

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

brooksby wrote:

Sriracha wrote:

Let's be clear here, it is residents, not the bogeymen motorists, who are complaining about cyclists. There comes a point where cyclists should listen and try to understand the other person's point of view.

I missed the bit where they're petitioning for the road to be closed to all vehicles for the safety of their children...  Oh, right, just want the pesky cyclists banned, then... 

The crass stupidity of the masses makes me despair.

The World Health Organisation reported 1.35 million people killed by vehicle operators in 2016 (Global status report on road safety 2018 WHO/NMH/NVI/18.20), the majority by use of excess speed, intoxication and 'distraction' caused by the use of mobile devices.

But these thick c**ts want bikes banned.

Any other human activity which resulted in the death of 3,699 deaths every single day, would be a public health emergency in every country on earth.   But it's vehicles and their operators, so well... LOOK, A CYCLIST ISN'T WEARING HI-VIZ!!!!!

And don't forget the number of children made ill by the pollution from cars.  But let's ban cyclists.

Sriracha wrote:

Let's be clear here, it is residents, not the bogeymen motorists, who are complaining about cyclists. There comes a point where cyclists should listen and try to understand the other person's point of view.

Yes  lets understand the residents point of view. 

They don't want cyclists there because a few of their children have been injured because they could not be bothered to teach their children to Stop Look and Listen.  Because it is easier to blame cyclists rather than take responsibility for their own failings.

I can't wait for them to protest to stop electric cars going down their street because one of their children steps out in front of one.  Because I bet it will be the drivers fault not the childs fault.

As a cyclist there is only so much you can do to avoid accidents.  There may be some of the incidents that are the fault of the cyclists but equally some the fault of the people walking in front of them.  I can pretty much guarantee that at least once on every commute to work that I will have someone (most likely a teenager preoccupied on their phone) will walk out on the road in front of me on a 300m section of quiet one way road..... because they simply don't look.... they just listen

Sriracha wrote:

Let's be clear here, it is residents, not the bogeymen motorists, who are complaining about cyclists. There comes a point where cyclists should listen and try to understand the other person's point of view.

I agree entirely with this, and disagree entirely with the tone and content of most of the posts.

We DO rely on our hearing as well as sight for our road safety.  In that respect (but obviousy not in many other respects) cyclists do present a greater, or at least different risk to pedestrians.

Children do pay less attention than adults.

If adults do not hear any cars, they may be less concerned about little Mohammed or Jane stepping off the pavement.

I don't think it is a helpful approach, to, in effect, put all the blame on the pedestrians/ children.  All road users need to cooperate to maximise the safety of all.

Sriracha wrote:

Let's be clear here, it is residents, not the bogeymen motorists, who are complaining about cyclists. There comes a point where cyclists should listen and try to understand the other person's point of view.

I agree; but there is another point of view too. I know I keep banging on about it here, but what about road design?

Looking at the photo, it appears that the pavement on the right stops after a short distance. From then on, the properties give directly onto the road. Anyone emerging from a gate will step right into the way of any vehicles on the road. There is a pavement on the opposite side of the road, and parking is permitted on the opposite side so that traffic is forced over to the right-hand side as we look at it, i.e. close to those entrances.

The solution seems obvious: move the pavement to the other side of the road so that pedestrians step out of their properties onto a pavement where there will be no wheeled traffic of any description.  Take away the pavement on the other side and move the parking bays into the same space -- they can probably be fitted in between the existing lampposts, keeping the cost of the project fairly low.

Sensible design versus thoughtless design -- and as always, the people involved blame each other rather than the planner.

jh27 wrote:

'“Children come out here on their way to school and they can hear a car but they can't hear a bike. Kids have fallen down and been injured badly.”'

I wonder are there a lot of blind children in the area, going around injuring cyclists?

If they teach their kids to cross the road only by listening then they are in for a nasty surprise with the increasing numbers of electric cars!

Parents: its called "The Green Cross Code". Be responsible parents and f'king teach your kids it!