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Not Near Miss of the Day: How to safely overtake cyclists... while driving a tank; "It was about protecting Sepp": End of Jumbo-Visma civil war as Vingegaard and Roglič work for Kuss (+ Remco wins); Huge sinkhole swallows bike lane + more on the live blog

Another day, another Vuelta mountain stage... join Dan Alexander on the Thursday live blog for all of that, plus everything else that's going on in the cycling world today...
14 September 2023, 10:12
Not Near Miss of the Day: How to safely overtake cyclists... while driving a tank

 Bikery told us this happened near the the Royal Armoured Corp Bovington Tank Range in Dorset... and it's not the first time...

Given their proximity to the range, "We've been passed by them a few times while riding in the area over the years. It's always a laugh!"

"The instructors seem to love it as it puts the trainee drivers under pressure, they always give you a smile and a wave or thumbs up. I can imagine seeing dozens of them coming towards you is pretty scary unless you have an anti-tank weapon!"

Tanks on the road also produces some "interesting driver psychology", Bikery told us, as they've seen "several drivers wait at give ways for the tanks to pass when there was time to pull out leading to them being stuck behind the tank doing 30mph in a 60 limit".

'What's the largest military vehicle you've safely been overtaken by?'

14 September 2023, 16:28
Giant launches "lighter, smoother and more efficient" Defy endurance road bike: first ride

I can't keep up (and I've already used the 'not another one' GIF)... yet another new release. The poor tech team are going to need to lie down in a dark room this weekend.

2024 Giant Defy Advanced SL 0 - riding 6.jpg

> Giant launches "lighter, smoother and more efficient" Defy endurance road bike: first ride

14 September 2023, 16:21
Sepp Kuss: "It's getting closer"

"The guys did a really great job, pulling the whole day, on the last two laps of this finishing climb Jan [Tratnik] was riding super for us and then Jonas did a really good pace from the bottom. I was a bit scared because he's so strong... his pace isn't always the easiest, he rode super for me and we rode a more defensive tactic. We all agreed as a team and us three before the Angliru stage and then there was what strategy we wanted to follow after that stage. It's always changing and there are always mistakes here and there but that's human nature.

"It's getting closer [Vuelta victory], tomorrow is easier but you have to stay focused and stage 20 will be really long and hard. We're out of the big mountains but there are always tough ones."

14 September 2023, 16:14
Jonas Vingegaard: "It was about protecting Sepp"
2023 Jumbo-Visma La Vuelta (Luis Angel Gomez/SprintCyclingAgency©2023/ASO)

[Luis Angel Gomez/SprintCyclingAgency©2023]

"Everyone could see it was about protecting Sepp [...] there's a really hard stage Saturday so we have to be careful, we have to keep fighting until Madrid. It's nice to be able to pay him back, to do something for Sepp that he's done for me and Primož. Obviously I wanted to pay him back today and on Saturday, it's a very tough, very long stage so we have to be careful."

14 September 2023, 15:55
End of Jumbo-Visma civil war as Jonas Vingegaard and Primož Roglič work for Sepp Kuss — Remco Evenpoel wins stage from the break

Well, well, well, it appears someone at Jumbo-Visma has pulled rank and got everyone working towards one goal — namely, current red jersey and mountain domestique extraordinaire Sepp Kuss holding the jersey until Madrid. Incredible to see the power of a road.cc live blog poll...

Sepp Kuss Roglic (GCN)

The scenes on today's final climb were what many had hoped to see yesterday: two-time Tour de France winner Jonas Vingegaard and quadruple Grand Tour victor Primož Roglič, all of their six Grand Tours supported by Kuss' assistance, doing the work to support their American teammate have his own day in the Spanish sun.

It would be a stretch to say the mood at the finish was celebratory, Kuss thanking his new super domestiques before wheeling off for the podium ceremony, however the discipline on the climb was perfect — Vingegaard pacing, Roglič sitting in and refusing to attack.

Up the road, Remco Evenpoel took his third stage win of the race, breakaway companion Damiano Caruso saying it was "like following a scooter". By the finish the Belgian's winning majority was 4:44, surely the largest Grand Tour stage-winning margain we've seen in a considerable length of time.

14 September 2023, 15:41
Wilier introduces cheaper versions of Filante aero road bike
14 September 2023, 15:26
Why don't cyclists use cycle lanes? Massive sinkhole swallows London bike route

Top marks to whoever wrote '(gone)' on that 'road closed' sign. Slightly surprised we didn't get a 'cyclists dismount' sign too. Oh well...

 This is Eltham in south east London where a sinkhole the size of a car has appeared, taking a cycle lane with it. It emerged on Monday morning on Dunvegan Road, leaving the council to investigate its cause.

"We were notified of a sinkhole in Dunvegan Road by the London fire brigade on Monday, September 11. Our investigations are ongoing to determine the cause and develop next steps," a spokesperson said.

"Until then, the area will remain closed off and reassurance visits will be taking place with neighbouring businesses. The road is expected to be closed for at least a few weeks and diversions will be in place."

14 September 2023, 15:16
Tour of Britain organiser Mick Bennett confirms intention to see Women's Tour return in 2024
Women's Tour Oxford (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

[Zac Williams/SWpix.com]

Poor Mick Bennett finally getting some good news to talk about. After a week of responding to critics of his Tour of Britain route and explaining the pretty grim picture of putting a bike race on in Britain at the minute, he's got something more positive...

Speaking to the Radio Cycling podcast, he confirmed "we have applied for those dates" in relation to both the Tour of Britain and Women's Tour in 2024. "We've already got a number of venues that are signed up for it," he added. 

Fingers crossed.

14 September 2023, 15:10
Birmingham safer roads protests are going national

Quick shout-out for this...

Full details at Safer Streets Now... 

14 September 2023, 14:00
The Campag Kid on building retro masterpieces, trickle-down tech, and getting hit by a car you helped design on the road.cc Podcast
14 September 2023, 12:59
Geraint Thomas says he thinks Sepp Kuss "deserves a bit more respect"
2023 Vuelta Geraint Thomas (Luis Angel Gomez/SprintCyclingAgency©2023/ASO)

[Luis Angel Gomez/SprintCyclingAgency©2023/ASO]

Geraint Thomas has spoken about the Sepp Kuss, Jumbo-Visma situation at the Vuelta. Here's what he told the TV cameras at the start of today's stage...

"Initially I think if it's obvious that the leader from the start is stronger then they should have the opportunity to race for the win. But, looking at this race, looking at yesterday I don't think there is such a big difference. The fact Kuss only got distanced 1km from the top of such a hard climb at the end of such a hard race, I feel like that's slightly different to a big gap.

"There shouldn't be any gifts in a Grand Tour win. It's one thing giving a stage but I don't think just because someone's worked for you for years you need to let them win, but I don't think that's the case anyway. He's good enough to be in the position he's in... and that's the funny thing, they played that card [earlier in the race to get Kuss in the lead], they rode super hard that day to get a gap and now they're changing their mind. 

"I feel for Kuss, he deserves a bit more respect, not necessarily from the riders, from the team. The team should be stronger with that [...] it was three of them, no other tactics came into play. If it was close for the podium, that's pretty much sewn up. Roglič isn't going to win this Vuelta so there was no real need for him to carry on and gain those extra seconds. He still could have won the stage and his position in third is still solid so he could have slowed up a bit."

14 September 2023, 11:36
Councillor urges police to charge "tourist cyclists" coming on cruise liners and "running around unsafe"
14 September 2023, 10:45
The GC showdown we didn't know we needed

All in their prime, who wins? 

X trending 14/9/2023

'IT Crowd are upping the pace here on the final climb, Froome looks in trouble, Roglič is dropped... here comes Vingegaard on the attack, Ayoade glued to his back wheel..."

14 September 2023, 10:32
Primark apologises for pulling out of cycle hub deal

Reading Borough Council is searching for an alternative venue for its town centre cycle hub plan — a facility with 82 secure bicycle spaces, plus maintenance space and bike loan service — after Primark pulled of an agreement to lease one of its vacant units.

The BBC reports that the council has asked for a full explanation after the retailer pulled out of the agreement to lease its former store in West Street for the facility, Primark saying it was due to a "change in circumstances".

Funding for the project is to come from the Department for Transport's Cabability Fund, and would amount to £249,454.

"Reading is really important to us, and we're committed to continuing to play an active role within the community and to supporting the town. We hope the cycle hub finds a suitable home soon," Primark said.

Councillor John Ennis said: "This is obviously hugely disappointing news for the council and Reading's cycle community having invested so much time and energy in this particular location for a cycle hub."

14 September 2023, 10:06
A unanimous majority...

'Ooh maybe I'll check in with the poll to see how... it's... going... ah...'

Live blog poll 14/9/23

 

14 September 2023, 09:03
Tech news round-up: New bikes galore + plenty more

Loads of news and releases to keep the tech team busy this week. I'm sure you've seen most of it already, but here's a handy round-up of it all in one place just to be sure...

> All new Roubaix SL8 is the "smoothest" and fastest endurance road bike ever, claims Specialized

That release came on the same day that Wahoo unveiled its new £1,400 Kickr trainer with "the closest real-world ride-feel" thanks to the addition of fore/aft movement. In short, it makes it act a little bit like a trainer on a rocker plate. As you alter your power, get in/out of the saddle, or readjust your position, the trainer is designed to move forward and backward with you.

> Wahoo introduces £1,400 Kickr Move indoor trainer with "the closest real-world ride-feel"

Oh, and if you are tempted to take your training indoors now the evenings aren't quite as long and enticing as they were a couple of months ago, Zwift's Watopia might be your destination of choice. 

2023 Tour of Watopia Zwift

The indoor cycling giant has announced a host of new features coming to its virtual world in the upcoming months. These include an expansion to Watopia and the return of the experimental gamified racing experience Tour of Watopia, plus Climb Portal difficulty scaling and much more.

Emily has all the key details of what you can expect around Zwift's virtual roads going forward... 

Fulcrum has some new wheels out, the "versatile and comfortable" Wind 42 and 57 carbon wheels for "road and light off-road riding", if you've got £1,250 knocking about for an upgrade.

2023 Fulcrum Wind 42 and 57 wheelset

And there's a new Liv endurance bike, with the announcement last night of the fifth generation of the Avail. More aero, lighter, 38mm tyre clearance... all the good stuff. 

2023 Liv Avail Pro 0.jpg

And for a sneak peak at some of the things we're currently reviewing, check out the latest edition of 'Five cool things', this week featuring the Garmin Edge 840 Solar cycling computer, plus stuff from Suunto, DJI, Tozo and more...

14 September 2023, 08:42
Appalling, disingenuous or perhaps a subtle tactical game? Your thoughts on La Vuelta
2023 Vuelta Primož Roglič and Jonas Vingegaard Angliru (Luis Angel Gomez/SprintCyclingAgency©2023/ASO)

While the poll results roll in, here are some of your thoughts...

kil0ran: "Kuss treatment is appalling. He clearly had a brief moment where he couldn't follow which subsequently he overcame because he was able to latch on to Landa's wheel. Landa did the job Primoz and Jonas should have done. Given that Bahrain Victorious were on the front for the early ramps — with Kuss right behind once Valter and Van Baarle popped — they effectively kept Sepp in red today, not Jumbo.

"It's a betrayal and brutal shameful behaviour. It's particularly hard to watch because until this race I've been a fan of Primoz and Jonas — even as a G fan I was delighted to see Primoz' redemption at the Giro. I'm not a fan of UAE as a team but I hope they flash some greenwashed green and bring Kuss in to support Pogacar next year. Revenge will be best served on the slopes of L'Alpe and Stelvio."

Tell us how you really feel!

Sepp Kuss Angliru 2023 Vuelta (Luis Angel Gomez/SprintCyclingAgency©2023/ASO)

henryb: "Roglič and Vingegaard saying that they 'want' Kuss to win the Vuelta is a bit disingenuous when it is in fact their choice whether they give him the support he needs (and which every Grand Tour winner needs) to win. If Kuss doesn't win the Vuelta, how hollow it will sound when Roglič or Vingegaard say: 'Well, we wanted him to win, we really did...'."

2023 Jumbo-Visma La Vuelta (Luis Angel Gomez/SprintCyclingAgency©2023/ASO)

A ray of hope from Rendel Harris? "I am possibly being naive here, but isn't it feasible that Jumbo Visma are playing a more subtle game than they are being given credit for, bringing their two superstars up as close to Kuss as they possibly can without overtaking him so that if he cracks today either Roglič or Vinegaard will be as far as possible ahead of potential challengers, and to keep them away from the JV podium shutout?

"If Vinegaard really had designs on the jersey why would he not have gone full gas in the final yesterday when on current form he could've easily picked up the nine seconds needed for it, especially if he had outsprinted Roglic for the ten seconds line bonus instead of the six he got?

"Like the majority of fans, I would love to see Kuss take a GT and I will be as loud as anybody in my condemnation of his teammates if they do the dirty on him, but until I see one of them deliberately seize the jersey, rather than putting more time into their rivals lower down the rankings without displacing Kuss, I'm going to withhold judgement.

"Of course, depending on what happens today, this comment may age very badly!"

14 September 2023, 08:30
POLL: Should Jumbo-Visma let Sepp Kuss win La Vuelta?

There's only one way to settle this...

Poll

14 September 2023, 08:00
"I just don't understand... I didn't enjoy watching that": David Millar (plus plenty more) in disbelief at Jumbo-Visma's Sepp Kuss treatment

The fallout from the Angliru stage rumbles on this morning, seemingly most of the cycling world despairing for Sepp Kuss' slip backwards towards, not rival teams baying for blood but instead... his own teammates... on his birthday too.

As we included in yesterday's post-stage live blog debrief, both Primoz Roglič and Jonas Vingegaard have said they want Kuss to win the Vuelta. Those comments coming not long after they had left him in the final stretches of the climb, rather than offering support like the American has to them on countless occasions. And while, yes, Kuss had told them to go, the images haven't sat well with many cycling fans and former pro riders...

David Millar said: "I just don't understand why they wouldn't wait. I've watched Sepp ride for them countless times while commentating these past years, I'm a huge fan of his. He's class. I didn't enjoy watching that today, and I love bike racing."

 "In Grand Tours the leaders rely on their team mates to get them through the days they're weak," Millar replied. "That's Sepp's job. Tables have turned here. I like the idea that sport isn't all rational number crunching, that occasionally emotional decisions win over. They're the greatest stories, and the reason sport can be so life affirming. Today was not life-affirming, it was quite miserable in fact, when it so easily could have been wonderful."

This was the post-stage discussion on GCN, Sean Kelly saying he thinks it's "unfair":

 Anyone got a case for the defence?

With another big mountain stage, the last challenging one before Madrid (after this we've got two sprints and a relentlessly punchy medium mountain 208km world champs-style stage) today could be decisive... I'd love to know what the rest of Jumbo's domestiques and staff think about the whole situation...

Anyway, get your thoughts in the comments. Are we all far too romantic? Should Jumbo-Visma let their best man win? Do you want to see Roglič and Vingegaard let one of their most reliable teammates have his day in the sun?

Dan joined road.cc in 2020, and spent most of his first year (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. At the start of 2022 he took on the role of news editor. Before joining road.cc, Dan wrote about various sports, including football and boxing for the Daily Express, and covered the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Part of the generation inspired by the 2012 Olympics, Dan has been 'enjoying' life on two wheels ever since and spends his weekends making bonk-induced trips to the petrol stations of the south of England.

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP | 5 months ago
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Councillor urges police to charge "tourist cyclists" coming on cruise liners and "running around unsafe"
what's going on? Are the tourists getting off their bikes and then running around like headless chickens? More investigation seems necessary. 

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belugabob | 5 months ago
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It would appear that the tank story is quite timely.
Just got back from my morning dog walk, and there were several wannabe tank drivers out practicing - peering out of their misted up windows via a small, hastily wiped, clear patch of windscreen.
Strangely, none of them were driving wankpanzers - maybe that comes when they've graduated...?

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Rendel Harris | 5 months ago
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Richard Ayoade lives at the bottom of my (roughly 2% climb) road, regularly see him riding up it. Not saying he could take CF, JV and PR in the Alps but if they had a short-course event for Brompton riders with flamboyant cords and bright coloured macs as compulsory uniforms I reckon he'd be in with a shout.

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Steve K replied to Rendel Harris | 5 months ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

Richard Ayoade lives at the bottom of my (roughly 2% climb) road, regularly see him riding up it. Not saying he could take CF, JV and PR in the Alps but if they had a short-course event for Brompton riders with flamboyant cords and bright coloured macs as compulsory uniforms I reckon he'd be in with a shout.

One of his HSCB adverts was filmed in my road.

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Rendel Harris replied to Steve K | 5 months ago
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He gets about! I was delighted when we moved here some years ago to discover that he is a genuine cyclist and it wasn't just for the adverts. He rides his children to school as well, which is a very welcome sight in an area clogged with Wankpanzer school runners.

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Steve K replied to Rendel Harris | 5 months ago
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Sadly we were on holiday at the time, so missed the filming.

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ktache | 5 months ago
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I wondered about a month back what was happening about the Reading cycle hub. Checked the internet and nothing new was popping up. Ah well, would have been nice...

Looks like I might have to invest in the angle grinder resistant D lock after all...

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belugabob replied to ktache | 5 months ago
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ktache wrote:

I wondered about a month back what was happening about the Reading cycle hub. Checked the internet and nothing new was popping up. Ah well, would have been nice...

You'd think that town centres would be full of unused retail units, just rope for this sort of repurposing, wouldn't you...? ( well, unless you're a councillor)

Looks like I might have to invest in the angle grinder resistant D lock after all...

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Hirsute | 5 months ago
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Someone please think of the drivers

Is your child walking to school? Do they know that listening to music through headphones can be dangerous?

https://twitter.com/Kentroadsafety/status/1702201515635601900

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Matthew Acton-Varian | 5 months ago
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RE: Not Near Miss Of The Day...

If trainee tank drivers can do it, why the fudge can't other drivers?!

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Hirsute replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 5 months ago
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Because there is an officer present and they would be on a charge without the usual excuses available.

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Oldfatgit replied to Hirsute | 5 months ago
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Because the vehicle commander is also legally* responsible for the actions of the driver.

AFAIK an armoured vehicle cannot be driven on UK Public Highway without a commander being in the control position.
Drivers of armoured vehicles have extremely limited vision in all directions, and as such the vehicle commander is the drivers eyes and legally accountable for the drivers actions.

Back in the late 80s, I used to drive a Scimitar ARV, and also a 432 APC.
Never went to Bovington as I was RE and not RAC.

* legally in this case may mean military Law, which has differences from UK Law. The Law of the land in which the solider is operating in always comes first... and then comes the Military Law - which can be anything from being infront of the Officer Commanding (which is basically them acting as a magistrate) to full Courts Martial.

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lonpfrb replied to Oldfatgit | 5 months ago
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Oldfatgit wrote:

Back in the late 80s, I used to drive a Scimitar ARV, and also a 432 APC.
Never went to Bovington as I was RE and not RAC.

So to answer the point on X about "road tax for tracked vehicles" isn't it that ours have rubber blocks in the tracks while the orcs T-## have all metal track as they don't care?

Thanks for your service.
My grandfather also RE.

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Oldfatgit replied to lonpfrb | 5 months ago
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Not on 'x' so not sure what the question is, so I'll answer what I think it might be  ... all UKHMAF vehicles are exempt VED.
UK military tracked vehicles have (or used to have) rubber blocks imbedded in the tracks as this helped prevent wear on the road surfaces. These blocks are removable and would come off in the event of the shit hitting the fan.
Un-shod tracks cause a lot of score damage to the road surface - you'll see what I mean if ever you see civilian excavators on building sites as they tend not to have the rubber pads. 
As for the others not caring - probably. 

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brooksby | 5 months ago
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Tanks on the road also produces some "interesting driver psychology", Bikery told us, as they've seen "several drivers wait at give ways for the tanks to pass when there was time to pull out leading to them being stuck behind the tank doing 30mph in a 60 limit".

Is that people misunderstanding when or which vehicles have priroty?  Do they maybe think military vehicles have some sort of priority like a blue-light emergency vehicle?

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to brooksby | 5 months ago
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Tanks to an extent have limited driver visibility, and there have been tales of incidents of vehicles who misjudge manouvres getting crushed. Also having a huge cannon pointing at your rear window must be enough for anyone to wish they had a brown interior.

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 5 months ago
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Perhaps they've just thought a bit?  IDK about the UK but in other countries there have been incidents caused because the training (to be realistic) had involved the drivers of armoured vehicles being up for days, and they'd clearly lost some focus.

Also - if it's the US forces driving there is very often (by policy!) close to no comeback for those in their forces who mess up at the expense of the locals.  As we've been reminded of in the last few years.

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mark1a replied to brooksby | 5 months ago
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brooksby wrote:

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Tanks on the road also produces some "interesting driver psychology", Bikery told us, as they've seen "several drivers wait at give ways for the tanks to pass when there was time to pull out leading to them being stuck behind the tank doing 30mph in a 60 limit".

Is that people misunderstanding when or which vehicles have priroty?  Do they maybe think military vehicles have some sort of priority like a blue-light emergency vehicle?

No, it's that they're very large and loud, and look even more imposing on a public highway. I live not far from Bovington and ride around here, most people regardless of what vehicle they're in give them a very wide berth. 

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Backladder replied to brooksby | 5 months ago
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brooksby wrote:

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Tanks on the road also produces some "interesting driver psychology", Bikery told us, as they've seen "several drivers wait at give ways for the tanks to pass when there was time to pull out leading to them being stuck behind the tank doing 30mph in a 60 limit".

Is that people misunderstanding when or which vehicles have priroty?  Do they maybe think military vehicles have some sort of priority like a blue-light emergency vehicle?

Probably ex military who are expecting the tank to subdue the enemy and are dissapointed that the tank driver avoided the conflict but the tank drivers, like Orcadians have realised just how dangerous cyclists are

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Oldfatgit replied to Backladder | 5 months ago
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It's all that talk of "sticky bottles" that does it ...

To an armour driver, a sticky bottle is normally a Molotov Cocktail or home-made napalm.
While not enough to cause serious damage on their own, its no fun driving when your vehicle is on fire and your looking through a 150mm long x 50mm high slot.
It's also a technique that can be used to mark a vehicle for thermally guided weapons as the armour can take a while to cool to ambient.

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Matthew Acton-Varian | 5 months ago
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I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. My initial reaction to the TJV controversy on the Angliru is certainly different to that of many people it seems.

Yes, Sepp Kuss should be given a fair crack and as the leader his position should be respected by the team. However, Jumbo-Visma have played a blinder in regards to their GC dominance and look set to make a success out of the "multiple leaders" card when so many others have failed.

With two big names, and probably egos in 2nd and 3rd, it more often than not proves catastrophic when it comes to GC battles, with teammates refusing to help each other from the first kilometre. Somehow JV have managed to keep everyone in check up until they are effectively assured of the result, before letting their riders battle it out for themselves. The riders have managed to maintain a sense of comaraderie and bravado right up until everything is effectively secured.

I don't believe for one minute that Roglic and Vingegaard do not want to see their teammate and faithful domestique win, but they are also racers themselves, so also want to win themselves. For a team stuck between a rock and a hard place, their actions are actually as fair as possible, on balance. Only a complete disaster involving all three riders will stop the red jersey belonging to a Jumbo rider. And the team have waited until that certainty to let their own riders race each other.

It's just unfortunate that we spectators are a fickle bunch, and would forego the prospect of entertainment at this stage in favour of a vaguely implied gentleman's agreement that has never been before tested.

There is one caveat to this, and that there is still an ITT to go. Kuss did well last week in red but Roglic is by far the strongest at that discipline. Even if Roglic did hold station he still could easily overturn the pre-Angliru defecit in a time trial to take red anyway. Unless JV force the stage on today's final mountain stage, and get Kuss to the final KM first and alone to take a decent margin of victory, I genuinely think Kuss can't win whilst Roglic is in the race. From the moment JV went 1-2-3 on GC.

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Rendel Harris replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 5 months ago
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Matthew Acton-Varian wrote:

There is one caveat to this, and that there is still an ITT to go. Kuss did well last week in red but Roglic is by far the strongest at that discipline. Even if Roglic did hold station he still could easily overturn the pre-Angliru defecit in a time trial to take red anyway. Unless JV force the stage on today's final mountain stage, and get Kuss to the final KM first and alone to take a decent margin of victory I  genuinely think Kuss can't win whilst Roglic is in the race.

There isn't a TT to go, last week's was the only ITT of the race. The final four days are mountains (today), flat, hilly and flat.

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to Rendel Harris | 5 months ago
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My bad, I thought there was another TT in the third week.

 

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IanMK replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 5 months ago
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It would be a good argument if there was still an ITT to go. smiley

Today is effectively the last day that the GC can take large chunks of time out of each other. The 2 flat stages and a hilly stage that the GC teams will probably control.

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flyingpitman | 5 months ago
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A pair of  Vainqueurs wink

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Hirsute | 5 months ago
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Cyclists and tank.
Loads of comments about the cyclist being where they should be. Rolleyes

Apparently an IFV not a tank

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lonpfrb replied to Hirsute | 5 months ago
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Hirsute wrote:

Cyclists and tank.
Loads of comments about the cyclist being where they should be. Rolleyes

Apparently an IFV not a tank

Yes to both.
Challenger 2 with full armour is 72 ton apparently so many roads can't deal with that. APC or IFV in the range 7 - 16 ton so much easier on the highway..

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quiff | 5 months ago
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Getting very confused flitting around various comments pages. I think we need a disambiguation page. 'JV' redirects here. JV could refer to:

  • Jonas Vinegaard
  • Jumbo Visma
  • Jeremy Vine 
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Rendel Harris replied to quiff | 5 months ago
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quiff wrote:

Getting very confused flitting around various comments pages. I think we need a disambiguation page. 'JV' redirects here. JV could refer to:

  • Jonas Vinegaard
  • Jumbo Visma
  • Jeremy Vine 

Don't forget to add Jay Vine, Jonathan Vaughters and Jens Voight to the mix...

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belugabob replied to Rendel Harris | 5 months ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

quiff wrote:

Getting very confused flitting around various comments pages. I think we need a disambiguation page. 'JV' redirects here. JV could refer to:

  • Jonas Vinegaard
  • Jumbo Visma
  • Jeremy Vine 

Don't forget to add Jay Vine, Jonathan Vaughters and Jens Voight to the mix...

And James V (HRH)

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