"I'll set my dog on you!": Driver dangerously passes cyclist, and then threatens to make his dog attack him

BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP wrote:

I used to work with the police (not for the police) at various 'road safety' events, including things like Exchanging Places. I was told on several occasions that, according to Police stop and checks, around 1 in 8 cars in London was illegal; not registered, not insured, false plate etc. So be careful who you pick a fight with - they could well be an untraceable thug. 

It's a fact that there are more unregistered/ uninsured cars on the roads than total bikes. But WE are the problem, not the uninsured drivers that every insured driver is paying for.

Looks like they need a support dog, not attack dog. But probably also someone to ensure they take care of it properly.

Not convinced of the collie in there. Muzzle too short and wide.

All in all a pretty wierd interaction.  Had to tell if the initial pass was a punishment pass or sloppy driving.  The sharp cut in suggests punishment. 
 

I presume the use of the horn was all on the driver too.

Probably needs nicking on general principles.

I thought collie from the markings, perhaps some St.Bernard or Newfoundland to give that face shape.

I don't know the law on this one, I assume it's similar to any other form of threatening behaviour such as threatening to knife someone, even if you don't show them the knife if they have reasonable grounds for fear it's still an assault. Even though the dog looks pretty pacific and even soppy, a lout like that threatening to release a dog on you could certainly lead to a justified claim of having been caused fear, particularly if the victim was scared of dogs.

Rendel Harris wrote:

. Looks very cute and thoroughly unlikely to attack - Mr Gobshite definitely doesn't deserve him.

Juts reminded me of a tale recounted to me by my father of some guy squaring up to him in a pub "you're a big man, but I've got a dog" (probably sounded more menacing in his Belfast accent than from the originator). My father was 5'7" so the whole exchange was baffling. I can well imagine the dog in question was not a typical attack dog breed.

Can't agree with any sense of collective responsibility. If they felt it should be reported I have no right to tell them not to for my own benefit.

I never said or implied that he should not have reported it, just that this particular pass didn't seem dangerously close to me. In general, yes, I think it's good to sometimes step back a bit and look at the big picture.

I'd agree it wasnt a close pass, not even sure I'd have bothered reporting the part with the dog either, just shared it for some comedy gold.

But then my threshold for this stuff is stupidly high thesedays, just because it's become normalised behaviour.

Sredlums wrote:

Hate to be that guy, but do y'all really feel that's a close pass?

Seen worse but firstly cameras always make the car seem further away than it was: the cyclist is a good metre out into the road, he'll be about 60cms wide, the driver is about 50cms into the lane as he passes, add those into a 3m wide lane and there's no way he's giving the cyclist 150cm. Secondly, it's not the pass so much as the fact that he made it into the face of oncoming traffic, forcing the driver of the oncoming red car to veer across the solid white line (cycle lane?) on their side. Add all that together and it's a pretty clear case of careless driving. Finally it appears in any case that the cyclist did not report the driving but the threatening behaviour, so it's a bit academic anyway.

This vehicle's MOT has expired.You can be fined up to £1000 for driving without a valid MOT

You can, but you aren't. Mostly, the police just can't be bothered. 2 months without MOT?! Pff! You'd get a Citizen's Good Conduct Award in Lancashire for your MOT having only expired 2 months ago. I remind you, for the umpteenth time, of WU59 UMH with the 6 or so years of absent MOT, insurance and VED, regularly seen around Garstang and reported by me for many months. The vehicle bears the recently added logo of J Whitaker, a nearby Agricultural Groundworks contractor who has a Facebook page and a couple of mobile numbers quoted. The police never contact me because that would require an officer to identify himself. The reports are always immediately closed by an un-named officer, so that in the unlikely event (PCC isn't interested either) of LC ever having to justify themselves they could just state 'officer didn't sign the log'. For those who are sick of WU59 UMH, here is FM06 HUP- admittedly an ancient sighting

Lancashire Plod. They are beyond a disgrace. 

The MOT was valid when this incident occurred, and not having an MOT doesn't necessarily invalidate your insurance.

Wot?! Not even after 6 1/2 years in the case of WU59 UMH?

I had this close pass which the Met police issued an NIP for:
https://youtu.be/eLZItGi5xuA

They then found that the plate was cloned so closed the case saying they couldn't trace the vehicle/driver.
I queried why they did so given they had TWO reasons (close pass AND illegal use of vehicle) to want to nab the criminal but got no response.

As almost all motor vehicles (except EVs) need fuel, I have often suggested that all petrol station CCTV systems should be linked to a police database.
That way any wanted vehicles could be flagged at the petrol station when the driver pays, nowadays with a card rather than cash.

Born_peddling wrote:

Simple answer an unregistered plate/car should be seen with the same criminal intent as using burner phones... Using his pet as weapon when that fat p@#ck could kill anyone just by falling on them....with any luck this scum will develop diabetes as his Xmas karma. As for the boys in blue they couldn't find their own ass with a reach around from a friend! 😂

they normally miss when they try to fall on the cyclist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIWlNZGFV18

CountryBumkin wrote:

Things like this would be a good use of AI. Scan all live CCTV cams and flag any unregistered vehicle. Shouldn't be too difficult to pass on the location to nearest polis patrol (lol).

Unfortunately, AI tends to be trained on white faces and thus is poor at identifying other ethnicities which can lead to miscarriages of justice. I'd rather the police just do the job that they're paid for.

Didn't mean scan faces. Just scan registration plates. It should even be possible to track  DN09LZH (or any other unregistered number) passing the same camera at the same time most days.

This would be a positive use of the technology - catch these scumbags. Sentencing is another issue though.

CountryBumkin wrote:

Didn't mean scan faces. Just scan registration plates. It should even be possible to track  DN09LZH (or any other unregistered number) passing the same camera at the same time most days.

This would be a positive use of the technology - catch these scumbags. Sentencing is another issue though.

I see - that's just Automated Numberplate Readers (ANR) which are already in use in places like car parks.