Near Miss of the Day 504: A textbook left hook attempt

They are not necessarily learners.  They could be on 125cc bikes having passed their CBT but not passed a full bike test required for more powerful bikes.

They are not necessarily learners

Anyone with L-plates is a learner in any sense that I need to concern myself with

Fair enough 

markieteeee wrote:

They are not necessarily learners.  They could be on 125cc bikes having passed their CBT but not passed a full bike test required for more powerful bikes.

Passing your CBT doesn't stop you being a learner, it's what you need to ride a 125 on a learner licence.

If you have a full driving license, passing a CBT is all you need to ride a motorcycle or scooter of up to 125cc. They will have done this. If you consider them to be learners still that's fair enough; I tend to think this too but legally it's not that straightforward. They are not necessarily learners in legal terms nor in terms of experience. An L plate on motorcycle is not quite the same as one on a car. I wouldn't excuse poor motorcycling with an L plate thinking they are a learner - they might well not be. 

A provisional licence holder has to pass their CBT in order to ride on the road, they are classed as learners until they pass their test so your comment is inaccurate and false. 

They have to wear L plates but can keep then on indefinitely, just renewing the CBT when it's up. There's no necessity to pass a motorcycle test unless they want to use a more powerful vehicle or want to remove the L plates as they find them annoying; they've passed the test that makes them safe for the road.  So of course they might be classed as learners in one sense, but they are not necessarily learners too (which was the only point I made) - they could have been driving motorbikes of various types, 125cc and under for years.  I take your point but mine is definitely not inaccuate or false.

You see a hell of a lot of people driving through these lights on red. You should send all the footage to Lancs Police. Oh hang on.........I forgot that they don't give a fuck.

I try to avoid these lights, preferring to either go through Garstang or Nateby. Much better than the A6.

I try to avoid these lights, preferring to either go through Garstang or Nateby. Much better than the A6

I only use them to get on to the Cockerham road, which was where I was going when an A6 southbound driver crashed through the lights at about 70 just in front of me. That's why I'm standing there on the pavement filming the routine disregard of red lights.

I'm nonplussed at the PCC response to be honest, given "The core functions of police and crime commissioners are to secure the maintenance of an efficient and effective police force within their area". Strikes me as a completely pointless and ineffective department if they just pass the buck. Hopefully they'll get scrapped.

PCC is just an expensive additional police department on a different site, which does indeed just pass the buck back to the police.

Have you contacted Clive Grunshaw, the Labour appointed PCC of Lancashire?

This is the last letter from the LPCC, dated 22.3.19:

Thank you for your email dated the 21st March 2019.

Unfortunately it does not fall within the Police and Crime Commissioner's remit to investigate operational policing matters. Therefore, as you have expressed dissatisfaction with Lancashire Constabulary's response to road offences, I will need to share your email with the Professional Standards Department to look into. Please can you confirm that you are happy for me to share this information and for an officer to make contact with you directly?

I look forward to your response.

Kind regards
Amy Robertson

Business Support Admin Assistant
Office of the Police and Crime Commissioner for Lancashire

I had, of course, already gone through months of delay and 'working to rule' by the hilariously useless LC Professional Standards Department, who would not say Boo! to a goose, never mind a police officer. Don't believe everything you see on The Bay!

It's nice to see that for all the other stuff the commissioner had to do he has an Office, a Business Support Team within it, and an Admin Assistant within that.

How much money goes on these people whose remit does not include actually doing anything about the standards of policing?

Are they in fact there to ensure that the quality of crime is high?

Yeah Clive has done well for himself. Not bad for a former milkman.

Professional Standards Dept are useless too. I have only complained to them once. They didn't bother to reply.

I'm surprised it's not a BMW, Merc or Audi.

Awesome cars, particularly the Abarths & the 900cc TwinAirs. Modern Alfa Junior if you squint hard enough. Basically a Ford Ka underneath the Italian styling.

Sorry biker phil, but that's judgemental nonsensical stereotyping, wasn't worth your while making such a stupid comment.

In my experience the person I described drives Fiat 500s in my area. So my comment is not 'judgemental nonsensical stereotyping.' That sentence of yours is the stupid comment.

biker phil wrote:

In my experience the person I described drives Fiat 500s in my area. So my comment is not 'judgemental nonsensical stereotyping.' That sentence of yours is the stupid comment.

Your experience is as valuable as those who tell us that cyclists break read lights, don't know the HWC yada yada.
This is straight up confirmation bias, unless of course you have recorded verifiable data....

How do you break a read light?

biker phil wrote:

How do you break a read light?

Aaaaw, no data to back up your silly assertion? Oh dear, run along now....

Doesn't do many miles - last MOT was July with 13,000 miles on the clock. So likely to be retired/second car/household duties

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