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“No war between cyclists and drivers”, say road safety campaigners, as apologetic BBC backtracks after “inappropriately” describing camera cyclist as “vigilante”

“I’m not a fan of this war between cyclists and motorists. There should be no such thing. We’re all the same human beings”

There is no “war” between cyclists and motorists on Britain’s roads, two of the UK’s most prolific camera cycling advocates have claimed, after it was revealed that around 90 per cent of the 150,000 clips of alleged driving offences submitted to police forces in England and Wales have resulted in prosecutions.

However, after covering the rapid growth in third-party road safety reporting in a news article and in a BBC Breakfast segment on Friday, the BBC has been criticised by cyclists for referring to both Mike van Erp (best known as CyclingMikey) and Tim on Two Wheels as “vigilantes”, with Van Erp arguing that cyclists who submit footage to the police are, in fact, the “opposite of vigilantes”.

Following a number of complaints, including from Tim himself, who described the “vigilante” reference as “disappointing”, the broadcaster admitted to road.cc that the initial language used in their story, which has since been amended, was “inappropriate”.

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On Friday morning, in an article titled ‘The cyclist helping to catch hundreds of bad drivers’, the BBC interviewed Birmingham-based cycling instructor Tim, known on social media as ‘Tim on Two Wheels’, whose videos of careless, dangerous, and illegal driving have led to scores of motorists receiving notices of intended prosecution from West Midlands Police.

“I came back from one bike ride and said ‘I’ve had enough, there’s something we have got to do about this’,” Tim, who said he’s been submitting evidence of poor driving to the police for three years, told the BBC.

Claiming that the number of close passes he’s experienced has jumped from a handful a year to two or three per journey in recent years, Tim continued: “As a cyclist, you’re always having to move out of the way and when a vehicle’s too close it can strike you. I’ve been hit several times, cars have actually hit me. When I was younger, I broke my leg and went to hospital.”

Figures from West Midlands Police show that third-party submissions of alleged road safety offices have also jumped from 208 in 2017 to 11,000 already this year.

Earlier in 2024, we reported that the force received 356 reports from cyclists during January, including 90 for alleged mobile phone offences and 190 for “driving without due care or attention” or “driving without reasonable consideration” – with 97 per cent of those submissions resulting in some form of action.

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> Police force that prosecuted one driver from 286 close pass reports now taking action in 97% of cyclist submissions

Of the 356 reports received from cyclists, just three (one per cent) resulted in no further action for the motorist involved, 125 led to a fixed-penalty notice (35 per cent), and 15 in a court case (four per cent), while 174 drivers accepted a place on a National Driver Offender Retraining Scheme course (49 per cent), and 33 drivers (nine per cent) received a warning letter. Six reports (two per cent) were classed as resulting in “other action taken”.

For Tim’s part, he says all his videos have resulted in police action.

“Most often the penalty is an education course,” he said. “I think that’s the most appropriate thing. Everyone has a chance to make a mistake and to learn.

“But, for a second offence it would be a fixed penalty notice, points on your licence, and a fine.”

Reflecting on the growth of third-party reporting in the West Midlands, Sgt Stephen Evans told the BBC: “I think people are getting more aware of the poor standards of driving in the West Midlands area and people know now there’s a place they can report it to and the police will take action.”

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Tim, meanwhile, says he believes the “message was getting out” and that he is seeing improvements on the road.

“Inevitably a whole gang of people will start explaining why you’re wrong even though the law is clear on this matter,” he said, referring to the debates sparked by his close pass videos on social media – which, despite their often inflammatory nature, do not indicate the presence of a “war between motorists and cyclists”, he says.

“Most drivers just want to get home safely,” Tim concluded. “It’s a small minority of drivers we're talking about here. They treat cyclists like that… and they treat other drivers like that.”

Tim’s belief that the so-called cyclists versus drivers ‘war’ is a fabrication was echoed by arguably the most famous camera cyclist of the lot, CyclingMikey, who appeared on BBC Breakfast on Friday morning to discuss the growing popularity of third-party reporting.

“Recently, I’ve got the impression that the Met are under pressure, because third-party reporting has become very popular with lots of members of the public,” Mikey, whose real name is Mike van Erp, said during the segment, which saw him appear alongside David Laurie from the National Private Hire and Taxi Association.

“And there are thousands and thousands of these reports pouring in, and I get the impression they’re not able to [prosecute] as many, because they’re overloaded.

“I’ve seen messages from staff at strange hours in the night and on weekends, so they’re clearly working very hard, and it’s appreciated.”

Cycling Mikey

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Responding to Van Erp’s comments about submitting footage of dangerous driving, presenter Charlie Stayt: “There’s a danger in this that it becomes ‘cyclists against drivers’. And that’s not the point, the point is safety on the roads, isn’t it? But do you cast your camera and your eye equally over cyclists doing wrong things as you do motorists?”

“That’s a great question,” Mikey replied. “And the answer is no. And the reason why is that I have only a limited amount of spare time to do this, so I’m going to deal with the most dangerous. Almost the entire death and serious injury toll on our roads is caused by drivers.

“That said, I’m no fan of bad cycling. I’m totally fine with bad cycling being policed, I just don’t think it will have a noticeable effect on road safety casualties.

“I’m not a fan of this war between cyclists and motorists. There should be no such thing. We’re all the same human beings.”

“Deliberate clickbait anti-cycling misinformation”

While both Tim and Van Erp were quick to diffuse any talk of a ‘war’ on Britain’s roads, both cyclists were on the receiving end of unflattering depictions as camera-wielding “vigilantes” by the BBC.

Earlier this morning, we reported on the live blog that an early version of the BBC’s story on Tim described the cycling instructor as a “vigilante cyclist”, prompting a backlash on social media, with one cyclist describing the language used as “deliberate clickbait anti-cycling misinformation”.

BBC vigilante cyclist article 2

The BBC’s original story

“A vigilante is someone who attempts to apprehend and punish someone who has committed a crime, without the involvement of law enforcement,” Adam Tranter, the former walking and cycling commissioner for the West Midlands, said in response to the BBC’s terminology.

“A person who encounters a potential crime and passes evidence to police is called a witness. Amazing to see the BBC getting this wrong.”

“It's even more disappointing when you’re the cyclist involved. Thank you for raising this Adam. Very poor show from BBC Online,” Tim said. “The article has now been changed. They were very apologetic. It's a journalistic cliché.”

As noted by Tim, the article was amended soon after publication to remove the reference to vigilantes, with a spokesperson for the BBC telling road.cc: “The initial language used was inappropriate so it has since been amended. It was a single mention and removed quickly.”

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However, while the broadcaster claims the vigilante reference was a “single mention”, the term reared its head once again during Van Erp’s segment on BBC Breakfast.

The subject was broached when Charlie Stayt asked the NPHTA’s Laurie whether he approved of cyclists submitting hundreds of videos of illegal driving to the police, to which Laurie responded: “To a certain degree, yes. At the end of the day, drivers are breaking the law, they’re using their phones, there’s no excuse or exemption for it.

“According to the new laws, if drivers are holding their phone in their hands, they’re committing an offence, and there is no excuse.”

“Do I detect a slight caution in your voice?” Stayt probed. “The idea that the vigilante approach to this – which is quite a strong word – but the idea that this is not the police, it’s someone on a bicycle. Do you have any caution about that?”

Taxi driver Laurie then said: “I do, because I’ve seen videos where he’s standing in the middle of the road, putting himself and other road users in danger. I see the logic, I see the reasoning and justification for doing it. But he’s not a police officer and he shouldn’t be standing in the middle of the road.”

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However, Van Erp was also quick to dispel this notion that cyclists reporting instances of bad driving to the police are vigilantes.

“This whole idea of vigilantism is wrong,” he said. “What we’re doing is giving the evidence to the police and to the justice system, which is the opposite of what a vigilante does. We let the justice system deal with it.”

Referring to Laurie’s suggestion that he “stands in the middle of the road” while filming drivers, Mikey continued: “What I’m doing there is I’m usually filtering through traffic, which is the nature of riding in London – you’re usually filtering past queues of drivers going nowhere. And you end up next to a driver anyway. I’m not posing a danger to anyone, maybe to myself a little.”

“But wait, you are, there is danger,” Stayt’s co-presenter Naga Munchetty countered. “Even when you put yourself in danger. We’re watching a video of you putting yourself in front of a car, that’s not safe. That’s dangerous.”

Van Erp then pointed out that his habit of standing in the road on so-called ‘Gandalf Corner’ in Regent’s Park is to “directly prevent that person from driving around an unsighted corner on the wrong side of the road, which is definitely dangerous”.

When Munchetty enquired whether Van Erp had a “legal right” to stand in the road, the camera cyclist said: “You are allowed to stop an immediate danger – for example, a drunk driver or someone going the wrong way around a corner where traffic will be coming at any minute.

“But that’s a small part of what I’m doing. The majority of what I’m doing is catching up to drivers who are on their phone and then filtering on past them.”

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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eburtthebike | 4 weeks ago
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Why is it only cyclists who are vigilantes, when drivers have dash cams and even pedestrians use phones to video bad driving?  Obviously, it couldn't be that the BBC are institutionally anti-cyclist, could it?  They have a long, proud record of promoting cycling in factual, objective, unbiased articles, and definitely don't promote driving with ridiculous, juvenile, pathetic programmes.

Neither have they promoted cycle helmets with fact-free, subjective, blatantly biased articles: for forty years.*

 

*For those hard of understanding, that's satire.

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wtjs replied to eburtthebike | 1 month ago
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even pedestrians use phones to video bad driving? 

I trust that those pedestrians in Lancashire are obeying Lancashire Constabulary's instructions about submitting evidence to OpSnap Lancs: you should be informing the public that they are being filmed and should have some form of notification on your mode of transport as you have responsibilities under the Data Protection Act /UKGDPR 

So these pedestrians must have notices on their legs! 

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eburtthebike | 1 month ago
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At the risk of becoming known as a "vigilante pedant" I feel I have to report this to the grammar police:

"While both Tim and Van Erp were quick to diffuse....."

DEFUSE!  How many times......

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mdavidford replied to eburtthebike | 1 month ago
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eburtthebike wrote:

At the risk of becoming known as a "vigilante pedant" I feel I have to report this to the grammar police:

"While both Tim and Van Erp were quick to diffuse....."

DEFUSE!  How many times......

Actually, I think the word that was wanted there was probably 'dismiss'.

Personally, I quite like the imagery of 'diffusing a situation' - encouraging the anger and tension to dissipate and become less potent seems more apt for what it normally involves than surgically removing the proximate cause.

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NOtotheEU | 1 month ago
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“Most drivers just want to get home safely,” Tim concluded

All drivers want to get home safely, the problem is most of them don't care about the safety of others.

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john_smith replied to NOtotheEU | 1 month ago
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I think it's fairly safe to say that's utter nonsense.

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chrisonabike replied to john_smith | 1 month ago
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How about "we all want to get home safely but very many of us happily choose a mode of transport where we are more at risk of killing and injuring others than at almost any other point in life (unless we work in the military, medicine or rat-bag food establishments)"?

Or "we know that people are killed every day on the roads but because it's not happened to us and driving is a daily activity most of us have at some point driven without with insufficient care or attention or thought for others - if only momentarily"?

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john_smith replied to chrisonabike | 1 month ago
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That's not quite the same as saying you don't care about the safety of others. Accepting risks as part of life. If you live in a society, some of those risks will involve harm to others. As a society, we accept that. It doesn't mean we don't care.

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mdavidford replied to john_smith | 1 month ago
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"It's not that we don't care. We just don't care enough..."

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john_smith replied to mdavidford | 1 month ago
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Enough for what?

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mdavidford replied to john_smith | 1 month ago
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To pay any attention.

To bother considering one's own actions.

To do anything about it.

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chrisonabike replied to john_smith | 1 month ago
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Hmm... this sounds like Tolsoy on priveledge: "I sit on a man's back choking him and making him carry me, and yet assure myself and others that I am sorry for him and wish to lighten his load by all means possible… except by getting off his back."

Or "some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make..."

Not sure that's entirely compatible with "but we care, honest". Although to be fair this is exactly the way we hold contradictory positions and yet can justify things to ourselves.

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NOtotheEU replied to john_smith | 1 month ago
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john_smith wrote:

I think it's fairly safe to say that's utter nonsense.

As I've never met or seen 'most drivers' that's a fair point, how about this?

Most drivers I see on a daily basis as a cyclist/pedestrian and occasionally as a passenger drive in a way that does not prioritise the safety of others over their own convenience and journey time. Then there's all the vehicles parked on zig zags or blind corners and all the unnecessarily oversized vehicles bought just to feed the owners ego and all the pollution spewed out in the short journeys that could easily have been walked.

But maybe that's just Birmingham and where you live people are much more considerate of others.

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john_smith replied to NOtotheEU | 1 month ago
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I reckon that's laziness and thoughtlessness rather than not caring about other people's safety.

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Rendel Harris replied to john_smith | 1 month ago
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john_smith wrote:

I reckon that's laziness and thoughtlessness rather than not caring about other people's safety.

That's the very definition of not caring: too lazy and thoughtless to bother considering the consequences of their actions.

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chrisonabike replied to john_smith | 1 month ago
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It probably matters to someone (the law?) but not to the recipients. And I can't see exactly how knowing others are merely being lazy and thoughtless vs. uncaring would help me try to prevent or mitigate the consequences?

Luckily by adopting a "sustainable safety" approach we get to sidestep worrying about motivations so much (or trying to police, train or exhort better behaviour).
Whether by "accident" or laziness or frank lack of care we can just predict that certain "undesirable" behaviours will occur at a certain frequency. Knowing that we can maybe design some out entirely (can't overtake into oncoming traffic on eg. a motorway where there is a physical barrier) or remove motivations to do so (if you physically can't cut through a residential neighbourhood you're not going to rat-run) or make getting it right easier or finally mitigate consequences.

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hawkinspeter | 1 month ago
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BBC - institutionally anti-cyclist

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the little onion | 1 month ago
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my local shop are vigilantes. They video shoplifters and pass the evidence to the police for prosecution 

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Hirsute | 1 month ago
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The taxi rep only job was to have a go at mikey aided by the 2 hosts.

As ususal it was cyclists v drivers until the end where mikey was able to point out the level of submissions by road user across the country.

At least we didnt get road tax, insurance and tabards !

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Pub bike | 1 month ago
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Journalistic standards have been falling for a while at the BBC. Last year 500,000 people cancelled their TV licences.  Could this be related?

I expect this article will feature on Newswash on Saturday - the programme that tries to defend the BBC's declining editorial standards - and will no doubt claim that the BBC was right to use the word vigilante even though they changed it afterwards, and that there isn't a problem with BBC presenters or journalists..

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quiff replied to Pub bike | 1 month ago
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I suspect the decline in TV licences is more down to viewing habits than a protest about news and current affairs content in particular - if you only watch on-demand content from ITV, C4, Netflix etc and don't use iPlayer, then you can legitimately cancel.   

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mdavidford replied to quiff | 1 month ago
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That said, they may be somewhat related - the fewer people there are paying for licenses, the less money's available to invest in quality journalism.

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Simon E replied to mdavidford | 1 month ago
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mdavidford wrote:

the fewer people there are paying for licenses, the less money's available to invest in quality journalism.

Perhaps if they invested more of it in quality journalism instead of the pile of crap programming and the waste of space presenters and celebs they insist on paying big money to then maybe people might feel it's worth paying for. Original content has been hard to find for a long time, it's all game shows and loads of repeats.

The BBC is not independent and it is not impartial. The management and significant part of the news/current affairs teams are Tory party members and supporters who are put there to perform in the interest of government, not the public. I don't see why I should pay a TV licence in case they decide to improve their standards.

This whole driver-cyclist 'war' thing is a complete fabrication to create some hype eyeballs. It's not news and it's not reported accurately or fairly. Most people who cycle are also drivers; are we supposed to be 'at war' with ourselves? It's ridiculous. It is like the divide-and-conquer tactic, illustrated by this image created by Denis Lushch.

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john_smith replied to Simon E | 1 month ago
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That cartoon is superb.

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mdavidford replied to Simon E | 1 month ago
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As I understand it, they have significantly reduced the amount they're paying to their top presenters, etc. But in any case it's fairly incidental in the context of the overall budget of a large media corporation. Even if they sacked the lot of them and replaced them with trainees, it wouldn't make up for the amount that the overall budget has been squeezed. And, of course, many of those highest paid people are, in addition to their presenting roles, responsible for a lot of the journalism as well, so by doing that you've be reducing the investment in journalism.

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