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Moots Vamoots Disc RSL frame and fork

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£6,500.00

VERDICT:

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A big investment, but the performance, precise handling and beautiful titanium feel will see you smiling every ride
Beautiful ride feel
Stunning performance
Top-end build quality
It's a large investment
Weight: 
8,590g

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The Moots Vamoots Disc RSL is one of those bikes that, once you've had the chance to ride it, you just aren't going to want to give back. It delivers the performance of many high-end carbon fibre race machines while retaining that beautiful titanium ride. As in: how can a frame as firm as this still offer such a sublime feel and so much feedback?

Ride

You may have read many times about the way a titanium frame behaves when it comes to stiffness and performance, and it's not all marketing guff. It is a beautiful material to ride, in the way that it seems to absorb road buzz and vibration yet still have the strength and stiffness to deliver on performance. The frames aren't exactly heavy either.

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Like all materials used in frame manufacturing, though, everything still comes down to great design. Tube profiles, wall thicknesses and geometry are the key, and Moots has absolutely nailed it with the Vamoots Disc RSL.

A glance at the geometry table (I'll go into more detail on that in the next section) shows you that this is a no-nonsense race bike. The front end is low and the angles are steep, which means this frame is fun to ride, while the compact frame delivers loads of stiffness for when you really want to get the power down.

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A lot of the titanium bikes I've ridden are more endurance based, the Ribble Endurance Ti (the clue's in the name) and the Mason Aspect, for instance. Great bikes to ride, and neither are slouches on the road, but when you get aboard the Vamoots it's great to feel just what can be achieved with titanium.

This frame feels incredibly tight, and just goads you into pushing it as hard as you can into every bend or straight that you can find.

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I listen to music on the bike, and occasionally the perfect song comes on just as you are about to start a really technical, flowing descent. With the road in front and the tyres beneath becoming my only focus, I want to just let the bike go – and that's what you can do with the Moots. It's just so balanced. So much feedback through the frame and fork that you can be properly at one with the machine, every ripple felt and change of camber dealt with by just the tiniest flick of the handlebar or shift of bodyweight.

The steering is fast, yet not quite twitchy. It's close – just like any quality race machine should be – but a positive hand and plenty of confidence will guide the Vamoots through the most challenging of bends without the feeling of being out of control.

Elsewhere, when you need to get a shift on, the Vamoots also delivers. The tubes themselves are pretty beefy for the front triangle, which makes for good stiffness, while the more slender rear end focuses more on comfort.

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You can sprint and accelerate hard very efficiently, and once you hit the climbs that stiffness equates to great power transfer, especially when you are out of the saddle giving it everything you have.

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Stringing the power climbs and do-or-die descents together can be long, meandering stretches of tarmac which, on a super-stiff bike, can become a little tedious. The Vamoots negates that with a smooth ride feel, the double butted tubing soaking up a lot of the road buzz.

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It just takes the edge off. It's not the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden, but for one that is focused on performance it doesn't batter you about, so you can cover some decent distance without starting to feel too much fatigue in your wrists or lower back.

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All this makes the Vamoots a fairly versatile machine for anything from racing through to fast sportives or just getting out in the lanes for a quick century, and I'm talking imperial here, none of that new-fangled decimal stuff.

Frame and fork

The Vamoots Disc RSL is probably the most custom bike that ever came off the peg. Manufacturing quality titanium frames is neither quick nor cheap, yet the company offers this model in nine sizes!

Starting at 48cm (51.5cm effective top tube) through to 62cm (59.5cm TT), each frame uses specific tube diameters, wall thicknesses and angles to create the same ride feel throughout the range.

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Moots quotes a weight of 1,360g for a size 58cm frame.

The tube design is to Moots' own specification and it has gone for double-butting – two different wall thicknesses to create stiffness where required while dropping weight where it isn't.

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The rear dropouts aren't machined or cast like many others, they are 3D printed, something we have seen on a few high-end frames. It's a very neat and lightweight solution to the manufacture, allowing the designer to put material exactly where it is needed, plus it can create much more complex detailing and shapes – as you can see with the gear hanger design.

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Up front, Moots has gone for a large 44mm diameter head tube, which certainly delivers on the stiffness front when paired with the full carbon fork.

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The front end is really direct and tight as a drum, most noticeable when really hauling on the brakes as you fly into a tight bend.

Moots has gone for a threaded bottom bracket shell which will please many of you, maintenance and longevity-wise. The narrower width than the BB86 internal options found on carbon frames might lose out a touch on the stiffness front, but not so much that you'd notice out on the road. As far as I could tell, the Vamoots was never found wanting.

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As to be expected in this day and age, the Vamoots Disc RSL comes with 12mm thru-axles front and rear, and flat mounts for the disc callipers.

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When it comes to geometry, as I've said, it is race orientated, our 55cm model coming with a 55.5cm effective top tube, 150mm head tube, 73.5-degree head angle and 73.75-degree seat angle. This equates to a stack of 580mm with a reach of 386mm.

There are loads of finish options to be had when it comes to the decals, which contrast well with the satin bead blast finish of the tubes. You can have brushed, anodised, polished, etched or the rather fetching offering we have, Stanley.

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Other options include the inclusion of a pump peg, chain hanger, custom sizing and an engraved head tube.

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Value

There's no denying this is an expensive option. The Di2 version of the Vamoots frame and fork we have here will set you back £6,500, which is a large investment.

That's nearly twice the price of the Mason Aspect I mentioned earlier. The Aspect isn't as race inspired as the Vamoots, but that doesn't make any difference to the build quality. Handmade in small batches in Italy, with beautiful welding, a frameset will set you back £3,450.

And you could buy two J.Laverack J.ACK framesets for the price of one Moots. It comes in two geometry setups, one of them a race option, and the frameset is available for £2,480.

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But it doesn't just come down to weight or price, there's a feeling you get from riding the Moots, from running your hand along the top tube as you walk past it, or the fact that no matter how bad your day has been, a quick blast on the Vamoots is going to make it all pale into insignificance.

Verdict

Moots has delivered a brilliant frame and fork with the Vamoots Disc RSL, and it is an absolute joy to ride, from every aspect. Yes, it's a massive chunk of money, but what you are getting here is more than just a bike. It's a piece of engineering art.

If you can afford it, you won't be disappointed.

Verdict

A big investment, but the performance, precise handling and beautiful titanium feel will see you smiling every ride

road.cc test report

Make and model: Moots Vamoots Disc RSL

Size tested: 55cm

Frameset

Tell us what the frameset is for, and who it's aimed at. What do the manufacturers say about it? How does that compare to your own feelings about the bike?

Moots says, "Pure road performance - Stiff and light- tight handling-fast acceleration - smooth, balanced ride - titanium durability."

The Vamoots is a superb race bike thanks to loads of stiffness and aggressive geometry, without giving a ride that is overly firm.

State the frame and fork material and method of construction

The frame is made from a proprietary, butted titanium tubeset while the fork is full carbon fibre.

Frame Specification:

HEAD TUBE DIAMETER - 44MM

BOTTOM BRACKET - 68MM THREADED

SEATPOST - 27.2

DERAILLEUR CLAMP - 34.9

THRU-AXLE REAR END SPACING - 142 X 12

DISC MOUNT - Flat mount 140 adaptable to 160

MAX TIRE CLEARANCE - 30MM

WATER BOTTLE LOCATIONS - 2

FRAME WEIGHT - 1360 GRAMS (58CM)

Overall rating for frameset
 
9/10

Tell us about the build quality and finish of the frame and fork?

Everything about the Vamoots is top level, from the high quality welding through to the eye-catching graphics.

Tell us about the geometry of the frame and fork?

Moots offers a total of nine sizes and they all have very race-orientated geometry figures, with steep seat and head angles and a low slung position.

How was the bike in terms of height and reach? How did it compare to other bikes of the same stated size?

The stack and reach figures across the size range reflect the aggressive, race-orientated style of the bike.

Riding the bike

Was the bike comfortable to ride? Tell us how you felt about the ride quality.

Yes, it was comfortable. The Vamoots has a stiff frame but that doesn't translate into a harsh ride.

Did the bike feel stiff in the right places? Did any part of the bike feel too stiff or too flexible?

Stiffness levels are exactly where they need to be for this type of bike. When riding hard out of the saddle there is no noticeable flex from the bottom bracket area.

How did the bike transfer power? Did it feel efficient?

Power transfer is excellent, especially considering it doesn't have the large tube profiles and bottom bracket junctions of similarly priced carbon race frames.

Was there any toe-clip overlap with the front wheel? If so was it a problem?

No.

How would you describe the steering? Was it lively neutral or unresponsive? Pretty lively, but a lot of fun.

Tell us some more about the handling. How did the bike feel overall? Did it do particular things well or badly?

The Vamoots has very balanced steering. It will tackle fast technical bends without feeling twitchy at speed, and remains smooth and easy to live with in the slower corners.

Rate the bike for efficiency of power transfer:
 
9/10
Rate the bike for acceleration:
 
8/10
Rate the bike for sprinting:
 
8/10
Rate the bike for high speed stability:
 
10/10
Rate the bike for cruising speed stability:
 
9/10
Rate the bike for low speed stability:
 
8/10
Rate the bike for flat cornering:
 
9/10
Rate the bike for cornering on descents:
 
9/10
Rate the bike for climbing:
 
8/10

How did the build components work with the frame? Was there anything you would have changed?

A top end frame like the Vamoots requires a quality build, and the Shimano Ultegra Di2 and carbon fibre deep section wheels worked well.

Your summary

How does the price compare to that of similar products in the market, including ones recently tested on road.cc?

At £6,500 the Vamoots Disc SLR is undeniably pricey. The Mason Aspect is handmade in small batches in Italy, with beautiful welding, and a frameset will set you back £3,450, while the J.Laverack J.ACK frameset is available for £2,480.

Did you enjoy riding the bike? Yes

Would you consider buying the bike? Yes (but don't tell my wife!)

Would you recommend the bike to a friend? Yes

Rate the bike overall for performance:
 
9/10
Rate the bike overall for value:
 
4/10

Use this box to explain your overall score

It's exceptional, but for the price – twice as expensive as some rivals. If you can afford it, you are looking at a proper bike for life, and the way it rides and handles means that you'd never get bored of it. Great performance, stiffness and comfort is a tough balance to achieve, but that's what you get here. It's very, very good.

Overall rating: 8/10

About the tester

Age: 41  Height: 180cm  Weight: 76kg

I usually ride: This month's test bike  My best bike is: B'Twin Ultra CF draped in the latest bling test components

I've been riding for: Over 20 years  I ride: Every day  I would class myself as: Expert

I regularly do the following types of riding: time trialling, commuting, club rides, sportives, fixed/singlespeed,

As part of the tech team here at F-At Digital, senior product reviewer Stu spends the majority of his time writing in-depth reviews for road.cc, off-road.cc and ebiketips using the knowledge gained from testing over 1,500 pieces of kit (plus 100's of bikes) since starting out as a freelancer back in 2009. After first throwing his leg over a race bike back in 2000, Stu's ridden more than 170,000 miles on road, time-trial, track, and gravel bikes, and while he's put his racing days behind him, he still likes to smash the pedals rather than take things easy. With a background in design and engineering, he has an obsession with how things are developed and manufactured, has a borderline fetish for handbuilt metal frames and finds a rim braked road bike very aesthetically pleasing!

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Gasman Jim | 3 years ago
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I've owned several Merlin Ti, Litespeed and Lynskey frames over the years and there's no denying the Moots is a lovely frame, but that price is outrageous. I'd wholeheartedly recommend a Laverack as an alternative.

After Covid-related delays I finally took delivery of my Laverack R.Jack disc in July. It has race geometry almost identical to my TCR, eyelets for mudguards and full internal cable routing (for mechanical or electronic groupsets) right from the headtube to the dropouts via a special bulged BSA threaded BB shell. They offer various frame finishes including a fetching matt option, custom polished / blasted graphics and a headbadge which is actually machined into the headtube. Having extensively researched all the Ti options on the market no other manufacturer offered this combination of features. The build quality is excellent with very neat welding. With the full Streamlined cable routing my frame and fork came to about £2.8k - still expensive but a relative bargain compared to Moots.

If you're in the market for a really nice Ti frame have a word with the guys at Laverack, they were a pleasure to do business with!

(DOI: No connection to Laverack and I paid full price for the frameset).

 

 

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peter_t replied to Gasman Jim | 3 years ago
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You are the lucky one, I made the mistake of ordering a Jack in January, and have been mislead every since - I've still no idea if or when it will be made.

My advice is go to a builder who actually makes the frames themselves, yes you'll pay a bit more but you will absolutely get what you want (really). So yes the Moots is pricy, save up, it will be worth it. I ordered a No.22.

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Chris Hayes | 3 years ago
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That's pretty pricey for a Ti-3AL-2.5 frame, despite the fact that it's handmade in Steamboat CO. 

I have 2 Litespeeds from the early 2000s that are still going strong, a Siena which is also 3AL-2.5, and a Vortex, which is 6AL-4V.  From recollection they cost USD 1750 and USD 2750 respectively in around 2002, so that's some inflation rate that's been applied here...

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JL77 | 3 years ago
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Are you guys sure that this is a long and low position frame? A stack of 558mm for a size 52 is quite high. A Ridley Noah in size 51 has a stack of 527mm, and this is far from the lowest frame. OK, with 377mm, the reach is a few mm longer than the Noah, but there are enough frames in this size region that go over 380mm. (See the PlanetX Spitfire and Hurricane, for example.)

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Secret_squirrel replied to JL77 | 3 years ago
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Indeed.  A Ribble XS CGR Ti has a stack and reach of 556 and 375 and I don't believe that's usually described as long and low!

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Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
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I'd love to ride this back to back with something like the Laverack or a Reilly or even a PX Tempest and see how much difference there really is. 
 

It's not mentioned but I presume some of the cost is that it's 6AL4 rather than the cheaper and easier to work with 3AL2 Ti?

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EddyBerckx | 3 years ago
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Just lovely to look at. Road.cc comp?  3

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Joe Totale | 3 years ago
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An absolute dream bike, just a shame I'll never be able to afford it!

Probably shouldn't mention this here but I would be tempted to ask someone like Waltly to build something with a geometry very similar to this...

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Miller | 3 years ago
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Is this £6,500 just for the frame and fork, not complete bike? Ouch.

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WDG replied to Miller | 3 years ago
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Yes.  I thought that it was complete bike too.  I have to say this price is ridculous, no matter how lovely its construction is, especially as there is some equally lovely alternatives for half the price.  I'd want it custom fitted for that price.

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pablo | 3 years ago
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Beautiful but 3D printing metal is a big investment with not much output and a custom tubeset aren't cheap either. I'd like to say it's not worth it but honestly it probably is although could you get the same results with cheaper processes? Possibly.
When I looked a Ti not many options were a 'Race' geo so this looks pretty cool.

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