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Questions asked after another police force keen to highlight crackdown on cyclists jumping red lights

Greater Manchester Police is the latest force to share pictures of officers disciplining cyclists for riding through red lights

Questions have been asked of Greater Manchester Police after the force shared news of a crackdown on cyclists jumping red lights in the city centre, with many doubting the operation is an effective use of resources.

The force's transport unit is the latest to ask riders to stop at red lights. Last week, the Metropolitan Police sent 14 officers on a 90-minute operation in Hackney to deter red light jumping cyclists — 18 were fined.

> Police in Hackney catch 18 red light jumping cyclists in 90 minutes

On Friday, Derbyshire Police also shared a video of a rider passing through a red light, saying the individual was fined, and accompanied the clip with a message insisting "cyclists must stop".

However, the Manchester post, below, has attracted a significant amount of responses questioning why the force is "prioritising" less dangerous offences, and others asking for more effective use of police resources.

The GMP Manchester City Centre account tweeted to its 176,000 followers: "Traffic offence reports were issued during this deployment, however officers have also utilised education alongside enforcement. By highlighting the dangers and refreshing their knowledge of the law we hope to reduce the risks to all road users, not just cyclists."

> Derbyshire Police share video of cyclist fined for jumping red light — insist "cyclists must stop"

Despite the explanation, many responses centred on questions around police resources, prioritising more dangerous offences, and doubts about if similar offences by other road users were also being targeted.

Prominent road safety campaigner CyclingMikey, who submits videos of law-breaking drivers to the police, called for more "evidence-led" policing.

> "Tired of road crime": CyclingMikey on episode 16 of the road.cc Podcast, plus how to make the most of your lunchbreak 

Another asked: "Did you see any cars speed up and go through changing lights? I see that frequently and is much more dangerous."

A campaign group dedicated to making the A56 in the North West of England safer for all users suggested there are "far more serious" dangers on the road that police should be looking to crack down on.

Pompey Cyclist suggested: "Now do cars. Because, you know, they actually cause danger and that wouldn’t be a total waste of our money."

Another added: "I wonder why you don’t do this with drivers? After all everybody should be held to account." While someone else asked why there were no pictures of an operation cracking down on red light jumping drivers at the same junction?

Stephen Hines replied: "Did you take the opportunity to stop any drivers at the same time? Enforcement is great, but it would be nice to see all road users held to the same standard, and it might be nice for the cyclists to know how many other offences were dealt with in the same operation."

However, not everyone questioned the police action. Many comments thanked the force for its work.

One cyclist said: "Thank you for this, I'm truly fed up with getting abuse from drivers for [those] that don't stop at lights. Now, about those drivers. Mostly the abuse is because I've asked them to put their phones down or not pass so closely... You're going to be targeting them next right?"

Dan joined road.cc in 2020, and spent most of his first year (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. At the start of 2022 he took on the role of news editor. Before joining road.cc, Dan wrote about various sports, including football and boxing for the Daily Express, and covered the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Part of the generation inspired by the 2012 Olympics, Dan has been 'enjoying' life on two wheels ever since and spends his weekends making bonk-induced trips to the petrol stations of the south of England.

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giff77 replied to Holts | 2 years ago
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Holts wrote:

Not before time , still waiting for the day it becomes obligatory to always have to use a cycle lane when available.

Except the police across the U.K. regularly conduct operations regarding RLJ'g, failure to use lights, cycling in prohibited areas. It is only now that they have taken a more public stance on social media. Usually you would only pick it up on cycling forums. 
 

Also the vast majority of cyclists will be happy to use infra as long as it is safe, robust and does not place the user in danger by being too narrow or randomly stopping or forcing the user to cross 4 lanes of busy traffic with no controlled crossing. There's plenty of examples on the site why they don't get touched. Todays blog having a prime example. 

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wycombewheeler replied to giff77 | 2 years ago
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giff77 wrote:
Holts wrote:

Not before time , still waiting for the day it becomes obligatory to always have to use a cycle lane when available.

Except the police across the U.K. regularly conduct operations regarding RLJ'g, failure to use lights, cycling in prohibited areas. It is only now that they have taken a more public stance on social media. Usually you would only pick it up on cycling forums. 
 

Also the vast majority of cyclists will be happy to use infra as long as it is safe, robust and does not place the user in danger by being too narrow or randomly stopping or forcing the user to cross 4 lanes of busy traffic with no controlled crossing. There's plenty of examples on the site why they don't get touched. Todays blog having a prime example. 

and don't have to give way to every side road, business access and domestic driveway they cross.

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mdavidford replied to wycombewheeler | 2 years ago
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wycombewheeler wrote:
giff77 wrote:
Holts wrote:

Not before time , still waiting for the day it becomes obligatory to always have to use a cycle lane when available.

Except the police across the U.K. regularly conduct operations regarding RLJ'g, failure to use lights, cycling in prohibited areas. It is only now that they have taken a more public stance on social media. Usually you would only pick it up on cycling forums. 
 

Also the vast majority of cyclists will be happy to use infra as long as it is safe, robust and does not place the user in danger by being too narrow or randomly stopping or forcing the user to cross 4 lanes of busy traffic with no controlled crossing. There's plenty of examples on the site why they don't get touched. Todays blog having a prime example. 

and don't have to give way to every side road, business access and domestic driveway they cross.

And actually goes to places they want / need to go to.

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giskard | 2 years ago
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I don't see any problem here, on my London cycle commute to work, the red-light-jumping twats were more likely to do something else stupid, like very close passing me on the inside and almost knocking me off whilst I'm stationary at a red light, and I've seen incidents where they're putting other cyclists at risk with such behaviour.

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JustTryingToGet... replied to giskard | 2 years ago
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giskard wrote:

I don't see any problem here, on my London cycle commute to work, the red-light-jumping twats were more likely to do something else stupid, like very close passing me on the inside and almost knocking me off whilst I'm stationary at a red light, and I've seen incidents where they're putting other cyclists at risk with such behaviour.

I'm a London cycle commuter as well. There is something very british about the non-verbal communication that takes place between the cyclists that stop at the lights when some bell-end shoots through. It's amazing how you can convey 'what a fucking prick' in a short glance 😁

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giff77 replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 2 years ago
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I find the disparaging shake of the head works rather well too. 

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alansmurphy replied to giff77 | 2 years ago
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giff77 wrote:

I find the disparaging shake of the head works rather well too. 

 

I quite liked stopping, overtaking said Pinarello on the bike formerly known as Boris and telling them how utterly f'ing useless they were and then stopping again at the next light. Repeat ad infinitum...

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FatMamil | 2 years ago
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Please stop feeding headcam narcissist CyclingMikey.

Edit. I apologize for upsetting the Messiah.

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chrisonabike replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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FatMamil wrote:

Please stop feeding headcam narcissist CyclingMikey.

I thought narcissists were interested in their own image, not the images of lots of other people doing illegal things?

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FatMamil replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:
FatMamil wrote:

Please stop feeding headcam narcissist CyclingMikey.

I thought narcissists were interested in their own image, not the images of lots of other people doing illegal things?

The guy craves attention more than anything, and has a cult like following on twitter. Knowing he is on London roads causing trouble and perpetuating the us vs them menatality has put me off cycling all the way to work almost as much as the distance involved.

For most people wearing a helmet is a matter of choice. See how he and cult act towards anyone bringing up hemlets and you see what a shower of .... they really are.

 

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hawkinspeter replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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FatMamil wrote:

The guy craves attention more than anything, and has a cult like following on twitter. Knowing he is on London roads causing trouble and perpetuating the us vs them menatality has put me off cycling all the way to work almost as much as the distance involved.

For most people wearing a helmet is a matter of choice. See how he and cult act towards anyone bringing up hemlets and you see what a shower of .... they really are.

  1. I'd consider that he's more motivated by his father (on a motorbike) getting killed by a drunk driver back in Zimbabwe
  2. Any following on Twitter can be described as a cult, so you're going to need to be more specific
  3. It's the low-skilled drivers that are "causing trouble" on London roads
  4. People who keep on stating "us vs them" are actually the ones perpetuating that kind of mentality.
  5. If helmet wearing is a matter of choice, why are people continually bringing up the subject?

Sounds to me like you are the problem.

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brooksby replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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FatMamil wrote:

The guy craves attention more than anything, and has a cult like following on twitter.

I thought being a bit of a narcissist was an entry requirement for generating 'content' on twitter?  Still doesn't mean that what Mikey does is wrong.

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chrisonabike replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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FatMamil wrote:
chrisonatrike wrote:
FatMamil wrote:

Please stop feeding headcam narcissist CyclingMikey.

I thought narcissists were interested in their own image, not the images of lots of other people doing illegal things?

The guy craves attention more than anything, and has a cult like following on twitter. Knowing he is on London roads causing trouble and perpetuating the us vs them menatality has put me off cycling all the way to work almost as much as the distance involved.

For most people wearing a helmet is a matter of choice. See how he and cult act towards anyone bringing up hemlets and you see what a shower of .... they really are.

"put me off cycling all the way to work".  I'm sorry there's something blocking you there. I don't follow cyclingMikey but I understood he was just videoing motorists.  Being a cyclist and probably doing few if any illegal things (you don't have to wear a helmet by law) I don't think you have anything to fear from him.

Or are you saying you fear motorists?  Presumably because "he provokes them, and I'm a cyclist too, and they can't tell the difference"?  Far as I am aware most motorists have never heard of cycling mikey.  Also people are killed and injured by motorists every day in cases where they weren't even on a bike.  Where it's highly likely the driver had never heard of cycling Mikey.  Or had even realised the pedestrian / cyclist was there.  In fact, motorists kill and injure themselves and each other every day too - presumably they don't confuse cars with bicycles?

See where the problem lies?

I hope that you - and I - one day get the kind of public realm designs and rules/principles which minimise danger if you're not in a car (and even if you are).  Until that point it seems one of the mitigations is to try to improve on our extremely patchy and lax enforcement of dangerous and illegal behaviour on the road. The police clearly lack resources to effectively deal with this.  Policing in the UK indeed has always relied on information from the public.  No doubt people providing information to the police offends some vocal people.  I just don't think the majority care - they haven't even noticed.  It's unlucky for you if you've got some real assholes in cars driving where you are.  They'd be assholes regardless of some guy on twitter though.

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Rendel Harris replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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FatMamil wrote:

Knowing he is on London roads causing trouble and perpetuating the us vs them menatality has put me off cycling all the way to work almost as much as the distance involved.

Knowing that somebody is making London drivers think twice about using their phones when driving makes you feel less safe about riding in London? What a peculiar attitude. As is classifying somebody reporting crime to the police as "causing trouble". I think you'll find it's the people who are committing the crimes who are causing trouble, not the people who are reporting them.

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TriTaxMan replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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FatMamil wrote:

The guy craves attention more than anything, and has a cult like following on twitter. Knowing he is on London roads causing trouble and perpetuating the us vs them menatality has put me off cycling all the way to work almost as much as the distance involved.

For most people wearing a helmet is a matter of choice. See how he and cult act towards anyone bringing up hemlets and you see what a shower of .... they really are.

A few things..... you seem to have the definition of causing trouble backwards.... in an almost Garage like backwards way. 

The people causing trouble are the ones who are committing the legal indescretions that Cycling Mikey is reporting.  I mean if the drivers in question weren't doing anything wrong what would Cycling Mikey be reporting?

As for helmets... you do realise that Mikey is an advocate for keeping helmets as a personal choice.... you know the thing that you said helment wearing was.

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Simon E replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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FatMamil wrote:

The guy craves attention more than anything, and has a cult like following on twitter.

Just two posts and that's the best you can come up with?

So, so weak.

Being active on social media doesn't make someone a narcissist, though we all know that those platforms do encourage that kind of behaviour. But there are lots of of ways to avoid/ignore them.

Or do you simply have a problem with the fact that he is actively recording criminals?

And if you're upset by someone's stance on helmets then FFS you really won't want to hang around cycling forums!!! Unless you're just another troll (or the same boring old troll with a new login).

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giff77 replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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I think that the roads in London would continue to be full of intolerant and impatient motorists placing vulnerable road users lives at risk without the presence of CM.  

 

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Captain Badger replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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FatMamil wrote:

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The guy craves attention more than anything, and has a cult like following on twitter. Knowing he is on London roads causing trouble and perpetuating the us vs them menatality has put me off cycling all the way to work almost as much as the distance involved.

For most people wearing a helmet is a matter of choice. See how he and cult act towards anyone bringing up hemlets and you see what a shower of .... they really are.

 

You gave up cycling cos someone runs a camera?

Sure y'did..

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JustTryingToGet... replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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FatMamil wrote:

Please stop feeding headcam narcissist CyclingMikey.

I would genuinely support a campaign that would get cycling mikey an honour for services to road safety. He's the dude.

Surely the narcissists are the the bell-ends he films.

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Rendel Harris replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 2 years ago
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I would genuinely support a campaign that would get cycling mikey an honour for services to road safety.

Count me in.

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JustTryingToGet... replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

 

Quote:

I would genuinely support a campaign that would get cycling mikey an honour for services to road safety.

Count me in.

Imma gonna do it. https://www.gov.uk/honours

Question is which nomination. I quite like the idea of gallantry, given I think he is persistent in trying to save lives

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brooksby replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 2 years ago
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Garage at Large wrote:
JustTryingToGetFromAtoB wrote:
Rendel Harris wrote:

 

Quote:

I would genuinely support a campaign that would get cycling mikey an honour for services to road safety.

Count me in.

Imma gonna do it. https://www.gov.uk/honours Question is which nomination. I quite like the idea of gallantry, given I think he is persistent in trying to save lives

Please could you request that Dame Cressida Dick gives the award out (Blue Peter badge perhaps?) - would be very befitting.

I think Cress is probably now applying to lead the team on the next season of Celebrity Hunted...  3

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Hirsute replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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Great "first" post.

Which PBU are you ?

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JustTryingToGet... replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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hirsute wrote:

Great "first" post.

Which PBU are you ?

I'm a newbie, so could be way out of line but my initial thought was that the posting aligned to posts by another user who had an unusual fixation on larger men that cycle in lycra... which is an amazing coincidence given the user name.

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TriTaxMan replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 2 years ago
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JustTryingToGetFromAtoB wrote:

 I'm a newbie, so could be way out of line but my initial thought was that the posting aligned to posts by another user who had an unusual fixation on larger men that cycle in lycra... which is an amazing coincidence given the user name.

And that same user also had a fixation with..........drumroll......... Cycling Mikey.

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Hirsute replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 2 years ago
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And a repeated antipathy for Mikey despite it being explained many times, by many posters that his Dad was killed by a drunk driver back in Zimbabwe.

I also found out that one of his mates was hit and injured by a driver going round the roundabout the wrong way when he was much younger.

I can't think why either of those would motivate someone to be concerned with road safety.

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brooksby replied to JustTryingToGetFromAtoB | 2 years ago
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JustTryingToGetFromAtoB wrote:
hirsute wrote:

Great "first" post.

Which PBU are you ?

I'm a newbie, so could be way out of line but my initial thought was that the posting aligned to posts by another user who had an unusual fixation on larger men that cycle in lycra... which is an amazing coincidence given the user name.

Good call - I hadn't noticed that.

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mike the bike replied to FatMamil | 2 years ago
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FatMamil wrote:

 Please stop feeding headcam narcissist CyclingMikey. 

If young Michael was reporting burglars instead of drivers would you still object?  

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hawkinspeter replied to mike the bike | 2 years ago
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mike the bike wrote:

If young Michael was reporting burglars instead of drivers would you still object?  

Presumably that would be furthering the burglar-vs-homeowner mentality

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FatMamil replied to mike the bike | 2 years ago
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mike the bike wrote:
FatMamil wrote:

 Please stop feeding headcam narcissist CyclingMikey. 

Don't be absurd, but Mikey would likely be campaigning for people to leave their property unlocked with the door wide open and take no responsibility for their own actions playing.

His response to police action against cyclists breaking the law is eye rollingly predictable. It's good to see majority here seeing police action as a good thing though, if anything it undermines the idea cyclists are not accountable and need licensing.

Still it was fun to see the reaction to mesiah Mikey being criticized. Have a good one and ride safe.

I had a feeling this thread be inundated with Mikey's fanboys, but gee.

If young Michael was reporting burglars instead of drivers would you still object?  

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