"Reckless" passenger hits cyclist by opening car door as driver overtakes

Your spell checker appears to have put nice when you typed nincompoop.

Fignon's ghost wrote:

If this event had ended in a murder charge. Would the police have triangulated the car's phone pings to narrow down the murder suspects? Is that a job GCHQ can help with or would the rozzas have own access???

I am pretty certain the technology doesn't exist to do that. If they have a suspect and their number/device ID they could maybe use mobile data from nearby masts to prove that the suspects were in the location at the time of the offence (supposing that they actually had their phones turned on and connected at the time) but I don't think they can just say there was a crime committed here, find the phone that was at the scene. Also, even if it could be done, it's a pretty high bar to get court permission to access such records, it's usually only granted in the case of terrorism offences, sex trafficking rings and the like, unlikely to be given in the investigation of a road traffic offence.

The degenerate responsible for this action is likely to do it again and this was probably not the first occasion. Given the malicious intent to harm a vulnerable road user. It's only a matter of time before the idiot causes a death.

Fignon's ghost wrote:

The degenerate responsible for this action is likely to do it again and this was probably not the first occasion. Given the malicious intent to harm a vulnerable road user. It's only a matter of time before the idiot causes a death.

Quite probably and I'd be delighted if he was caught and the book thrown at him, I just don't think that even if it had been a murder the technology currently exists to show that an unknown number mobile device was at the scene and then track it elsewhere. If they catch him and get his number, they could certainly then show his device was present and use that as evidence against him if he denied being at the scene.

android phone users will be familiar with Google's monthly email about all the exciting places weve been to and how we got there...and there is Googles live traffic maps.

in fact alot of the government's traffic data published during Covid lockdowns about peoples movements came from such anonymised mobile phone location data.So the data & tech is certainly there, a mobile phone is always (when switched on) reporting signal strength to the cell station(s) it's in contact with, so you can work out where it is, it's not going to be trivial to locate an "anonymous" phone due to the amount of data youd have to trawl, but it is possible, and has been used in murder enquiries, missing persons cases.

The police simply, with suitable legal justification of course, have to request the telco provides the data and analysis.

Awavey wrote:

it's not going to be trivial to locate an "anonymous" phone due to the amount of data youd have to trawl

One option would be to correlate ANPR hits on the number plate with phones that were in the area at the time. It's a lot of data to harvest, but it's possible.

If you're lucky, and you've got a couple of ANPR hits at geographically distant sites, then just two data sets might be enough.

Now that sounds like a plan. And with the right program. The correlating data can quickly come together and make a Judge smile.

This cretin needs to be caught.

The police are saying it's a dodgy cloned plate!

If the original is untaxed anything with that numberplate ANPR pinged onthe  road shuld be pulled over.

HLaB wrote:

The police are saying it's a dodgy cloned plate!

Source?

Even any TV cop could find them

It ought to be more widely appreciated that the 'TV cops' are much better and more conscientious than the real ones, sadly. You only have to watch ITV's 'The Bay' to realise that. Never mind RJ64 ABN- you'd get an OBE in Lancashire for having an MOT pass as recently as that! What about PJ07 NFP? It's not just that the police won't even get up off the sofa for MOT, insurance and VED evasion lasting less than 2 years, it's that they still won't when it's much longer

Pah! That's elementary level vehicle licensing evasion! A dubious looking vehicle was doing the rounds near me a while back with a fictitious registration purporting to be from the year 2027, expertly printed on white laminated card and adorned with a postcode for additional goading points...

Neat job - get them to do one for your bike!

This is slightly clearer footage, passenger, plates and broken mirror easier to see: https://mobile.twitter.com/trevawalker/status/1566360209190277120

Still a video of a video though. I suspect it's because the earlier Fly6 cameras saved video as a .avi file (possibly motion jpeg), which most websites won't upload. It will need to be converted to .mp4 using Handbrake or some other tool.

CanAmSteve wrote:

One does wonder when the UK will address the scourge of numberplate cloning. So simple a child can do it

It's just down to enforcement.

If the police were interested enough, they could set up a ANPR camera along a road and wait further down so that whenever there's a mismatch between reg and car, they can pull it over, impound the car and throw the driver in prison.

Cloned number plates tend to at least match the make/model/colour so that it's not completely obvious at first glance whether or not a plate is cloned even with ANPR. 

How hard can it be? ANPR network clocks the same registration doing time travel or warp speed between locations, feel both their collars and eliminate one. But if that's too hard, maybe start with the sans-plate vehicles, move on to the illegible ones, before going for the big time?

If they're messing with their plates chances are they're up to no good anyway, so why wait?

Same as with bikes - it's a good idea in theory but the cost of enforcing number plates and vehicle licencing / registration makes it uneconomic at a time when we need to find more money for bankers and to pay off the Tory Party faithful / bribe the shaky "red wall" support deal with a not-a-war-really with Russia / costs of the last round of Covid (add any other things as applicable).

They should just bring in retests / speed cameras and squeeze some more money from the cash-cow hard-pressed motorist.

Yes, but we know how little active enforcement takes place in reality. This problem is dealt with differently elsewhere, so part of the problem is the "tradition" of the DVLA and how reg plates are managed, etc. It needs a multi-pronged solution 

If you steal a silver Polo you just drive through a few estates until you see a similar one parked up with some leaves on it, then have your mate make up that numberplate (or order one for "display" on eBay)

You're a car thief, so I doubt you'll bother with an MOT or insurance, and any enforcement paperwork will go to the cloned car owner. With any luck, they are in care or otherwise unable to deal with the issue so the coppers will not even be notified for months

And while I am no expert, it does seem that if you are stopped driving the car, you do not need to carry a driving licence (unlike everywhere?) and can just use a fake name and do a runner. I mean, you stole the car in the first place

It should be possible to tag known cloned vehicles so vatious ANPR (digital speed cameras, etc.) can track their activity - certainly this is done to counter terrorism. You know, important stuff

CanAmSteve wrote:

It should be possible to tag known cloned vehicles so vatious ANPR (digital speed cameras, etc.) can track their activity - certainly this is done to counter terrorism. You know, important stuff

Tagging of number plates is a fairly routine thing if what you see on the likes of Police Interceptors/Road Wars type programs.  They seem to be able to put a marker on number plates of vehicles which have been involved in drug dealing/burglaries etc.

It should be a case of updating the PNC with a marker on the registration and that if it is encountered by a police car they stop the vehicle to do the requisite checks.  Given they think it's on a cloned plate they can stop the vehicle and check the VIN against the reg details because those details are all held by the DVLA.

Not easy, but still should be improvable:

1. Public means of cross checking plate with VIN

2. Seizure of any vehicle found where the plate doesn't belong to it. (Non-returnable, vehicle now belongs to police)

3. Liability for ALL penalties within last X years if found driving a car with cloned plate.

The last should include parking fines(/invoices), bus lane fines, insurance claims etc, etc. As well as an assumption that any individual caught driving was driving during any criminal offences (i.e. it becomes there problem to prove they weren't driving rather than the prosecutions problem to prove they were)

"Seizure of any vehicle found where the plate doesn't belong to it. (Non-returnable, vehicle now belongs to police)"

The only flaw in that is if your local scrote swaps the number plate for their identical but unregistered car with your car's number plate.

It will still be evident that plate does not belong to car, VIN won't match.