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Should dealing with third-party camera reports from cyclists be outsourced? Close pass op pioneer Mark Hodson on the Podcast

We're talking third-party reporting and how to make the system work better with Mark Hodson in this episode, and also chatting gravel ahead of an exciting new event in Finland...

To start this episode, the 50th Podcast, George and Jack sit down for a fascinating discussion with PC Mark Hodson, one of the pioneers behind police close pass operations and a big advocate for third-party reporting from cyclists, drivers and pedestrians alike.


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When it comes to reducing harm on the roads and making cycling, walking and motoring safer, nothing is off the table in this discussion. Why are some police forces - even allegedly West Midlands Police who PC Hodson pioneered close pass operations with before moving to motorway policing - lagging behind when it comes to getting bad drivers prosecuted? Is a radical rethink the answer? PC Hodson has some big ideas, so this episode is worth a listen for anyone who is interested in road safety. 

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With many cyclists who contact with Near Miss of the Day submissions saying their force didn't take action or failed to give feedback, resource is a huge issue in all parts of policing - which is where PC Hodson's radical idea for change comes in. 

The answer of how to deal with third-party reporting, says PC Hodson, is to make the process self-managing and provide incentive by recognising it as a great behaviour-changing tool. 

"It would only cost £50 million... which isn't a horrific amount of money when RTCs alone cost £40 billion a year," says PC Hodson. 

"That creates a system that would be able to deal with any type of demand. You'd have the capacity then to deal with all kinds of offences with effective feedback. 

"If you ringfence the fines from third-party reporting and played it back into third-party reporting, it becomes self-managing. 

"Do you keep it in public hands or... take it out of the public sector? Do we really want our police officers sitting in an office making these decisions? Can we not do something along the lines of the National Lottery?

"We'll still keep the police perspective on it in that police officers can be seconded... and then you have an extra incentive of 5% going towards road safety charities or people bereaved through road death. 

"We just haven't got the political will. It needs someone to step up to the plate and change how this is done. People are starting to lose trust and confidence in the system now, and you don't want that."

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What about PC Hodson's advice for reporting camera footage of a close pass, or even a collision? 

"Record, retreat, report. Don't get involved with a driver... get the evidence and come away. 

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"Always include a minute before and a minute afterwards, so the officer reviewing can see there's nothing that initiated the incident. 

"Be honest. In your statement, say how it made you feel, that you felt like you were lucky to make it home. Things like close passes... you've got to show that the driver was inconsiderate. 

"Put in your experience of riding or driving. If you've got a driving licence you're an expert witness because you've passed a test to a standard. Put in how it crossed the boundaries of the Highway Code. 

"Don't be upset if your submission doesn't quite make the grade. With close passes especially, in court you want that sharp intake from the bench of magistrates."

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In part 2, Suvi is joined by the organisers of (hopefully) Finland's next big gravel race to talk about how Europe and the UK can capture some of the magic that has led to such a big gravel riding boom in the US. Once you go gravel you never go back, apparently!

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The Podcast is 50! To celebrate we're giving away some schwag, so be sure to listen to find out how to enter our special competition and potentially bag some great cycling goodies. 

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IanMSpencer | 11 months ago

The main advantage of a separate process for road offences based on video evidence is that it takes away the "better things to do with their time" from other members of the public and from the police themselves.

Hodgson clearly makes the cost case on RTCs, but fundamentally we need an attitude change.

I am now strongly of the opinion that the UK is suffering from many interconnected problems which are down to the attitude change that Thatcher brought in with her "no such thing as society" approach. We are living with that legacy. The fundamental issue cyclists are suffering from is that drivers are incensed at the idea that they have any obligation to other road users (and plenty of cyclists show similar attitudes too, to be fair, but the cost of their intolerance is lower).

The other aspect is that there really does need to be a war on cars. If we had invested in public transport since the 1960s instead of the car, we would be moving easily around the country and the cities at low cost. We would not need roads twice the width to allow for private car storage.

However, for public transport to work, you still need an attitude change, where respect for other people is considered a good thing rather than a weakness. And by respect for other people, I mean simple tolerance, no subservience, it has to be mutual, so it is a long term project. GB News is a symptom of how far wrong things have gone in that respect.

mctrials23 | 11 months ago

I'm sorry but what on earth is a cyclist likely to have done that rationalises someone dangerously overtaking you too closely in a manner that could result in your death or serious injury. Even if you call them every name under the sun and punch their car that shouldn't allow you to use your car as a weapon. This still shows a fundamental lack of understanding that cyclists are massively at risk whenever they are on our roads. 

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