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Updated: First ride – Campagnolo relaunches Centaur 11-speed groupset

11-speed aluminium groupset designed to compete with Shimano 105, and it's a little lighter. Now with UK prices

Campagnolo is bringing back its Centaur aluminium groupset to replace the current Veloce range, although it's now 11-speed and features technology that has trickled down from the Italian brand’s higher level groupsets. 

Centaur was a feature of the Campagnolo lineup for a long time before being sidelined two years ago. New Centaur comes into Campagnolo’s groupset hierarchy below Super Record, Record, Chorus and Potenza with the aim of competing directly with Shimano 105. Campag says that Centaur offers much of the same Revolution 11+ technology as its higher end groupsets but using different materials which allow for lower prices. The material choice also means that Centaur is heavier than Campag’s more expensive options.

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“The Centaur project saw its central aim as offering an accessible groupset without offering entry level performance or features,” says Campagnolo.

Check out our guide to Campagnolo's groupsets here.

Unlike Campag’s higher level groupsets, Centaur is rim brake only – there are no disc brakes here. Like next-level-up Potenza, shifting is mechanical only – there’s no EPS electronic version.

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The complete Centaur groupset is available in two different finishes:
• Centaur black £539.33
• Centaur silver £571.10

The silver components are slightly more expensive than the black equivalents except for the brakes which are listed as being the same price.

All weights below are supplied by Campagnolo.

Campagnolo took me out to Gran Canaria a couple of weeks ago where I had the chance to use Centaur out on the road. The performance is such that you’d hardly know that it’s designed as a value groupset. The braking in particular is excellent. But we’re getting ahead of ourselves. Let’s take a look at the key components.

Chainset

Price £143.00 (black) £155.71 (silver)
Weight 875g (50/34-tooth, 170mm)

The Centaur chainset comes with a four-arm spider – a design that has trickled down from Super Record although here it’s made from aluminium rather than carbon. The idea is that the arms are positioned where they are most needed for strength and rigidity. 

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A single chainset will accept all chainring combinations… speaking of which, the Centaur chainset will be available in 52/36-tooth (semi-compact, mid-compact, faux pro, or whatever else you want to call it) and 50/34-tooth (compact) versions. There’s no 53/39-tooth (standard) option because Campagnolo doesn’t see that as relevant to the Centaur market. 

The inner and outer chainrings are fixed using separate bolts, so there’s one bolt circle diameter for each. Campag says that this allows the bolts to be located closer to the edge of each ring for extra rigidity.

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The Centaur chainset is the first aluminium model with Campagnolo’s high-end Ultra-Torque axle. Essentially, half the axle is attached to the driveside crank, the other half is attached to the non-driveside crank, and teeth on the end of each half mesh together in the middle. Campag reckons this design offers the best performance in terms of stiffness, weight and efficiency of power transmission.

Ergopower controls

Price £127.11 (black) £135.58 (silver)
Weight 373g

The Ergopower controls look a lot like Campag’s top-end Super Record Ergopowers although, again, the materials used are different. The Ergopower body is made from a lightweight techno-polymer reinforced with carbon fibre while the brake lever is aluminium. 

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Campag sticks with its ‘one lever, one action’ philosophy. Instead of the brake lever doubling up as a shift lever, changing gear is handled by a thumb lever and lever 3, a shifter that’s tucked behind the brake lever. Rather than sticking out at a right angle to the Ergopower body, the thumb lever is angled downwards, a lot like it is on Campag’s EPS control, to make it more accessible from the handlebar drops.

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Campag’s Power-Shift internals mean you can use that thumb lever to shift down the cassette just one sprocket at a time, which is the same as Potenza – you can’t shift multiple sprockets down the cassette with one push like you can with Campag’s highest level groupsets. You can, though, shift up the cassette a maximum of three sprockets with one push. 

Front derailleur

Price £41.32 (black) £45.97 (silver)
Weight 103g

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The front derailleur uses the Revolution 11+ technology that Campag has used on its higher end groupsets over the past few years. The one-piece steel cage, for example, takes its cues from the Super Record RS cage. The idea of using a one-piece construction is to increase rigidity and precision. 

The long rod is designed to reduce the force and lever throw required for upshifting from the small chainring to the large chainring.  

Rear derailleur

Price £63.55 (black) £69.49 (silver)
Weight 230g

The rear derailleur comes in a single version that can handle cassettes with sprockets as large as 32-tooth. The fact that there aren’t short cage and long cage models means you don’t need to worry about swapping your rear derailleur if you change your cassette to one of a different range. 

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The only technology that Campagnolo hasn’t been able to filter down from its higher level groupsets is Embrace which changes the angle of the rear derailleur relative to the cassette as you come down through the gears. That means the Centaur rear derailleur has to remain at one angle in relation to the cassette across the various different sprockets, and Campagnolo has altered this angle from that of previous designs.

“Having one angle, you have to choose the one that’s going to be the most reliable and most efficient,” said Campagnolo’s Joshua Riddle. “With our angle we are able to hug tighter for each sprocket on the cassette compared to our competitors.”

Campag has lengthened the teeth of the upper pulley wheel which, it says, makes it easier for you to regulate the rear derailleur, while the teeth of the lower pulley wheel have been shortened to reduce friction when the chain is at an extreme crossover angle.

Campag says that the Centaur rear derailleur is 15g lighter than the long cage version of any of its competitors. 

Cassette

Price £61.44 (12-32-tooth) £74.15 (11-29-tooth, 11-32-tooth) 
Weight 291g (11-29-tooth)

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The 11-speed cassette is the same as for Potenza but with a slightly different finish. 
You can choose from:
• 11-29 tooth
• 11-32 tooth
• 12-32 tooth

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These cassettes are designed specifically for the Centaur groupset but they’re compatible with other Campag 11-speed components.

Chain

Price £31.78
Weight 247g (110 links)
Campagnolo has designed a new chain specifically for the Centaur and Potenza groupsets (although it’ll work with any Campag 11-speed groupset) with, it says, a focus on precise chainring engagement.

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“It’s a really efficient chain, it’s lightweight and it’s super, super durable,” said Campag’s Joshua Riddle.

Campag says its tests show that the new chain will outlast anything else that’s out there at the moment.

Check out our review of Campagnolo's Potenza groupset here. 

Brakes

Price £49.19 
Weight 325g

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The Centaur brakes are dual pivot front and rear and Campag claims that they are 50g lighter than those of the competition.

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The pads are made from a new compound that’s designed to provide increased stopping power in all conditions.  

Bottom bracket cups

Price £21.98
Weight 40g

The bottom bracket cups are available in various different standards to fit different frames.

Weight

We’ve given you the weights of the individual products above but here they are all together.

Chainset                                875g 
Ergopower controls          373g
Front derailleur                  103g
Rear derailleur                    230g
Cassette                                 291g 
Chain                                       247g 
Brakes                                     325g
Bottom bracket cups          40g

Total                                     2,484g

Campagnolo says that Centaur is lighter than any of its price point competitors by 30-50g (depending on the selected specs).

In use

I got the chance to use new Centaur on a dry, hilly ride of about 2:20hrs in Gran Canaria. That’s not long enough for a full review, obviously, but here are my early impressions.

The standout feature of the groupset is the braking. I was riding a bike fitted with Campagnolo’s newly reinvented Scirocco wheels and the braking performance on the aluminium rims was superb. 

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As mentioned above, both front and rear brakes are dual pivot (there’s no single pivot option for the rear) but my guess is that it’s Campagnolo’s new pad compound that’s making the difference here. Whatever it is, the brakes feel excellent, particularly considering that Centaur is Campag’s fifth tier groupset. Good brakes give you the confidence to ride fast. Our route took in a fair few hairpins and I was able to leave braking as late as I ever have, knowing that there was enough power to decelerate safely with very little fingertip pressure before chucking the bike into the bend. This really isn’t the kind of braking that you might expect on an entry-level groupset.

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The rest of the groupset is almost as impressive. It might not be as light as Campag’s higher end groupsets, and it might not look as expensive, but Centaur feels almost the same when you’re riding.

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Ergonomically, the Centaur Ergopower levers are pretty much the same as Super Record. Chances are that you spend most of your time riding with your hands on the hoods, right? The Vari-Cushion natural silicone hoods are super-comfortable and very grippy even when rain or sweat has made them wet.

Shifting uses Campag’s Power-Shift mechanism, the same as you get with Potenza. The long shift lever that’s tucked behind the brake lever allows you to move up the cassette a maximum of three sprockets at a time, depending on how far you push it, while the thumb lever allows you to move down the cassette one sprocket at a time. 

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For comparison, Campag’s Ultra-Shift mechanism found on the Super Record, Record and Chorus mechanical groupsets allows you to move up the cassette a maximum of five sprockets with one throw of the lever, and the thumb lever allows you to move multiple-sprockets with one push too.

To be honest, it’s not often that you find yourself wanting to move more sprockets than Power-Shift allows, so it’s not a massive limitation. Plus, the thumb lever has to come out from the Ergopower body at right angles on the higher level groupsets to allow enough cable movement for those multiple shifts down the cassette. That’s not an issue with Centaur so Campag can position the lever in such a way that it’s much more accessible when you’re riding on the drops. In other words, when you’re in a racing position it’s easier to shift using that thumb lever on Centaur Ergopowers than it is on Super Record Ergopowers.

In terms of shifting, Centaur performs exactly as you’d hope it would, although my bike had just been set up by Campag’s own mechanics so the chances of it not behaving itself on a quick test ride were always going to be slim. I did my best to flummox it but the drivetrain wasn’t fazed by multiple shifts or swapping between chainrings under load.

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My bike was fitted with a compact chainset (50/34-tooth) and a cassette going up to 32-tooth, the maximum the system will allow. You can get a lower gear if you go to SRAM’s WiFLi but chances are that this is going to be plenty to see you up the longest and steepest of climbs. 

It might seem odd but Campagnolo is really proud of the new chain that has been designed for the Centaur and Potenza groupsets. The feature the brand is most pleased about is the durability. Obviously, that’s not something I can comment on after a 2:20hr ride, but Campag seems confident that you’re going to get a long life from this one. 

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You can’t make firm judgements on a groupset in a couple of hours but early indications suggest that Campagnolo is on to a winner with new Centaur. The fact that a lot of the technology has filtered down from the more expensive Campag groupsets means that, although new in this format, it is already tried and tested. In terms of function, there’s really not much to separate Centaur from those higher end groups, it’s just the materials and the weights that are different. We hope to give Centaur a full test on road.cc soon.

Mat has been in cycling media since 1996, on titles including BikeRadar, Total Bike, Total Mountain Bike, What Mountain Bike and Mountain Biking UK, and he has been editor of 220 Triathlon and Cycling Plus. Mat has been road.cc technical editor for over a decade, testing bikes, fettling the latest kit, and trying out the most up-to-the-minute clothing. He has won his category in Ironman UK 70.3 and finished on the podium in both marathons he has run. Mat is a Cambridge graduate who did a post-grad in magazine journalism, and he is a winner of the Cycling Media Award for Specialist Online Writer. Now over 50, he's riding road and gravel bikes most days for fun and fitness rather than training for competitions.

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Alessandro | 6 years ago
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Does anyone know when this is actually going to become available for sale and if the prices are going to be those as stated above? Given that you can pick up a Potenza groupset for £525, it seems unlikely that Campag will be able to flog their lesser groupset at a higher price. I'm looking to start building a new winter bike and want to spec it with Campag and it would ideally be Centaur because of the cost saving but it seems to be taking forever for it to go on sale. 

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bigblue | 6 years ago
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Sub-headline : 11-speed aluminium groupset designed to compete with Shimano 105, and it's a little lighter.

Article : Campagnolo says that Centaur is lighter than any of its price point competitors by 30-50g (depending on the selected specs).

I mean, come on ! It's (to all intents and purposes), the same weight. 30-50g across the entire groupset , that's probably within manufacturing tolerances.

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Spacer replied to bigblue | 6 years ago
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bigblue wrote:

Sub-headline : 11-speed aluminium groupset designed to compete with Shimano 105, and it's a little lighter.

Article : Campagnolo says that Centaur is lighter than any of its price point competitors by 30-50g (depending on the selected specs).

I mean, come on ! It's (to all intents and purposes), the same weight. 30-50g across the entire groupset , that's probably within manufacturing tolerances.

 

Yeah, you're absolutely right, 30-50g isn't a little lighter, it's exactly the same. Very good point. 

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Chris Hayes | 6 years ago
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Not that I've been holding my breath for this - but it looks a bit agricultural .... looks like a sub-105 level groupset at Ultegra pricing.... 

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Vejnemojnen | 6 years ago
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old chainset, add 70grams for the cups..

 

edit: this is the alloy version, the cf substracts around 90-80 grams..

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Vejnemojnen | 6 years ago
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the old brakes..

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Vejnemojnen | 6 years ago
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old centaur derailleur

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Vejnemojnen | 6 years ago
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Groupset-campagnolo-centaur-2x10-/302299534892?_...

 

old taur, with shifters capable of shifting down the whole cogset..

 

2007 centaur chainsets (models with fc7-ce..) has the same chainrings as chorus (cold forged..) later centaur csets only run stamped rings

 

2010 centaur ergos were ultra shift WITH ball bearings.. ballz

 

2011 centaur brakes (br11-cedp) weighed below 310 grams in pairs, dp-dp front-hind. they were light, man!

 

oh, and the old power-torque design chainset with bearing cups were lighter. I'd have upgraded those with the 10mm self-extracting bolts, a'la potenza..

 

athena featured 13-29 cassettes in 2010..

 

10speed campag has cassettes like 13-26, 14-25, 13-29, 12-25, 12-30, so everyone can find the best option.

 

most riders don't need 11-12t on the flats.. (flat=no declines)

 

btw, power-shift is superiour in action to ultra imho. easier, finer, requires less effort. but, the internals should be manufactured from steeeel  1

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Shanghaied | 6 years ago
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I would have been all over this if it wasn't for the fact that first-gen 11-sp Athena (2010) existed. For those who don't remember, the first 11-sp Athena had Ultra-Torque cranks, Ultra-shift levers (5 up, 3 down), it was available with both carbon and aluminium cranks and levers. With carbon cranks it was £200+ cheaper than Chorus while being only less than 100g heavier. It was lighter than Ultegra while being about the same price. The Ergos used the exact same internal parts as Chorus and Record - the only difference was the Athena-branded lever, which was a few grams heavier. But of course Campagnolo couldn't just let a good thing be, and in 2012 the "new" Athena was down-graded to Power-Torque and Power-Shift, while the price remained the same. SMDH

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srchar replied to Shanghaied | 6 years ago
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Shanghaied wrote:

I would have been all over this if it wasn't for the fact that first-gen 11-sp Athena (2010) existed.

This is the version I have, and everytime I climb aboard I curse myself for upgrading to carbon levers. Should have stuck with alloy; they've stopped making them now  2

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reliablemeatloaf | 6 years ago
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As far as incorporating shifting into the brake lever, Shimano might have a patent on that, does anybody know?

The next material is likely to be carbon as well, in the form of graphene, but that is a ways off.

I love matte finish, and murdered out bikes, I cringe at some of the lime green and lemon yellow paint schemes that are put out these days. Oh well, to each their own.

 

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WolfieSmith | 6 years ago
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I'm a big Campagnolo fan .  I've been disappointed by Campag's range over the past few years. Like Mercedes they've sullied their reputation with confused and tacky lower level products and renaming Chorus. Just unnecessary. 

I have a 10 speed carbon Centaur group set on my best bike: it's actually rebadged Chorus left over from the year the top two levels moved over to 11 speed. It looks fantastic and works well. The dual pivot brakes are very responsive and yes - they are shiny like brakes are meant to be! Shine onnnn you crazy campaggggg!!  Sorry.  I digress.

Personally I wouldn't  consider buying anything below Record these days  in terms of looks and function ; not the EPS Spinal Tap 11 speed either. If anyone has a Record 10 speed Titanium  group set for sale let me know. A groupset of true beauty and rarer than hen's teeth...

 

As for the Matt finish? Sick of it - in helmets too. Like drain pipe jeans,  matt finishes are well past their fashion period. 

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matthewn5 replied to WolfieSmith | 6 years ago
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WolfieSmith wrote:

I'm a big Campagnolo fan .  I've been disappointed by Campag's range over the past few years. Like Mercedes they've sullied their reputation with confused and tacky lower level products and renaming Chorus.

Chorus is still Chorus! And it works as well as Record still. I have Chorus on a newish bike and struggle to see the difference bar a bit more steel and no titanium over Record and SR.

https://www.campagnolo.com/WW/en/Mechanical_Groupsets/chorus/road

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srchar replied to WolfieSmith | 6 years ago
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WolfieSmith wrote:

Personally I wouldn't  consider buying anything below Record these days  in terms of looks and function

You don't sound like you've actually ridden any of the R11 groupsets before forming that opinion.

I've got bikes with Super Record and Chorus on them. There is absolutely zero difference in how they operate and a fag paper between them in terms of looks; in fact I think Chorus looks classier.  I'd go as far as to say that the extra few hundred quid for SR was a complete waste of money.  But, you know, Super Record...

I get where you've coming from regarding polished finishes.  I've got alloy Athena on another bike (yes I'm a total Campag whore) and it looks brilliant.  But so does the new stuff, just in a different way.  Alloy groupsets look daft on carbon bikes, but the option is there both for Potenza and Centaur.  Chainset looks odd in polished alloy, but plenty of NOS Athena and older polished items are available.  Start stockpiling if you think you'll be building up an old-school steel frame anytime soon.

WolfieSmith wrote:

If anyone has a Record 10 speed Titanium  group set for sale let me know.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Campagnolo-Record-Titanium-Carbon-Full-Groupse...

You're a fortnight too late...

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reippuert replied to WolfieSmith | 6 years ago
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WolfieSmith wrote:

I have a 10 speed carbon Centaur group set on my best bike: it's actually rebadged Chorus left over from the year the top two levels moved over to 11 speed.

I can assure you its not.

There is a lot more qality going on the the 10 speed Chorus 07 than in any Centaur iterations - even the Ultratorque variants.

brakes: Chorus 07 skelton brakes had ball bearings and its identical to Record 17 brakes.

ergo levers: Chorus 07 has ball beraings iinternals nstead of bushings. Centaur has the escape rear shift mechanism and not the Ultrashift mechanism. Both have micorshift with trim function on the frontshift. Centaur Carbon levers are actually carbon coated aluminum.

Crankset: Centuar carbon crankset may have ultratroque and record class bearings but the chainrings are stamped instead of the expensive chainrings found on Chorus.

Rear deraillure: IS different too, paralellogram cage is carbon but the rear ptae is steel, body is not Forged aluminum, cage is not forged alumium.

Front deraillure: Chorus sued alumium cage, Centaur didnt.

casette: also different

chain: i think they where identical.

 

 

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Vejnemojnen | 6 years ago
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ut bearings for

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222439299118?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPage...

 

very cheap  1  I have bought around 10 pairs of these for my lbs, and nobody complained about quality so far. btw, the original bearings on ut chainsets tend to last 25-30k km-s if you don't bash them in wet weather

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s_lim | 6 years ago
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Struggling to see the differentiator between Centaur and Potenza here, tbh. One cage rear derailleur, and that's about it.

That said, I use a Chorus/Potenza mix on my good bike, and am planning a winter bike build. Now discs are an option, a Potenza/Centaur mix would be ideal.

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vonhelmet | 6 years ago
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Ah, I remember what the problem with ultra-torque is - getting the bearing off the axle if you need to replace or service it.  Although saying that you can get 3rd party installation/removal kits for like £30 now, so not such a big deal.

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Pub bike | 6 years ago
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The Powershift Veloce shifters featured a plastic ratchet which wears out very quickly.   Do the Centaur shifters use this also?   If so it doesn't look promising.

After 3 sets of shifters (2 Ultrashift+1 Powershift) I managed to get some new old stock Veloce Ultrashift with the 3-up 3-down lever and metal internals which are lasting much longer.

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velotech_cycling replied to Pub bike | 6 years ago
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Pub bike wrote:

The Powershift Veloce shifters featured a plastic ratchet which wears out very quickly.   Do the Centaur shifters use this also?   If so it doesn't look promising.

After 3 sets of shifters (2 Ultrashift+1 Powershift) I managed to get some new old stock Veloce Ultrashift with the 3-up 3-down lever and metal internals which are lasting much longer.

This problem was fixed a couple of years ago or more ... the ratchet could be softened by long-term contact with some mineral oils and mechanics do love to spray oils into levers, even when they don't need it (and there's nothing in the maintenence instructions to tell them to do it) ... once this problem was identified, it was fixed with a change in materials.

UltraShift is not an ideal mix with the Potenza RD and the Centuar RD has a different pull ratio so they can't be used.

With the Potenza RD, UltraShift tends to give laggy shifting in one direction or the other (depends on how the cable tension is set) and the "sweet spot" with good shifting is very small indeed, even when everything is brand new and clean. Worn and dirty systems are still harder to set up. This is because the two components were never designed to work with each other - the Potenza RD has a lighter return spring, optimised for the less complex internals of the PowerShift lever..

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Vejnemojnen replied to velotech_cycling | 6 years ago
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velotech_cycling wrote:

Pub bike wrote:

The Powershift Veloce shifters featured a plastic ratchet which wears out very quickly.   Do the Centaur shifters use this also?   If so it doesn't look promising.

After 3 sets of shifters (2 Ultrashift+1 Powershift) I managed to get some new old stock Veloce Ultrashift with the 3-up 3-down lever and metal internals which are lasting much longer.

This problem was fixed a couple of years ago or more ... the ratchet could be softened by long-term contact with some mineral oils and mechanics do love to spray oils into levers, even when they don't need it (and there's nothing in the maintenence instructions to tell them to do it) ... once this problem was identified, it was fixed with a change in materials.

UltraShift is not an ideal mix with the Potenza RD and the Centuar RD has a different pull ratio so they can't be used.

With the Potenza RD, UltraShift tends to give laggy shifting in one direction or the other (depends on how the cable tension is set) and the "sweet spot" with good shifting is very small indeed, even when everything is brand new and clean. Worn and dirty systems are still harder to set up. This is because the two components were never designed to work with each other - the Potenza RD has a lighter return spring, optimised for the less complex internals of the PowerShift lever..

 

by any chance, do you have any connections with the weightweenies member Graeme?

 

because the language-attention to details and clear explanation is very suspcious. all you wrote is correct.. 

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TypeVertigo | 6 years ago
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I feel like they missed a trick from Potenza. That groupset's crankset had a self-extracting crank bolt, in a bid to address what I hear are complaints about older model non-drive-side crank arms being a pain to remove. Unfortunately the Centaur version seems to have dropped this judging from the photos.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT - Looks like I got the crank types mixed up. Potenza uses Power Torque, which benefited from the self-extracting crank bolt. Ultra Torque apparently doesn't need it. Carry on  1

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velotech_cycling replied to TypeVertigo | 6 years ago
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TypeVertigo wrote:

I feel like they missed a trick from Potenza. That groupset's crankset had a self-extracting crank bolt, in a bid to address what I hear are complaints about older model non-drive-side crank arms being a pain to remove. Unfortunately the Centaur version seems to have dropped this judging from the photos.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT - Looks like I got the crank types mixed up. Potenza uses Power Torque, which benefited from the self-extracting crank bolt. Ultra Torque apparently doesn't need it. Carry on  1

The new version of Potenza, Potenza HO, optimised for Hydraulic Disc also launched this month, also has the UltraTorque BB design.
 

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Vejnemojnen | 6 years ago
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The cassette range is a disgrace..

13/29?
12/27?

The 11t is only good for strong sprinters

A mere mortal gets along perfectly fine with a 13t smallest cog

Huge jumps...

Oh btw, old centaur brakes were lighter.
And the derailleur also gained weight, the chainset&with cups is again heavier

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pwake replied to Vejnemojnen | 6 years ago
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Vejnemojnen wrote:

The cassette range is a disgrace.. 13/29? 12/27? The 11t is only good for strong sprinters A mere mortal gets along perfectly fine with a 13t smallest cog Huge jumps... Oh btw, old centaur brakes were lighter. And the derailleur also gained weight, the chainset&with cups is again heavier

Disgrace? Bit strong!

With the compact and mid-compact cranksets the 11t gives you a good top gear and all 11-speed cassettes from Campagnolo/Shimano/Sram work with Campagnolo, so you're not really restricted in any way.

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Vejnemojnen replied to pwake | 6 years ago
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pwake wrote:

Vejnemojnen wrote:

The cassette range is a disgrace.. 13/29? 12/27? The 11t is only good for strong sprinters A mere mortal gets along perfectly fine with a 13t smallest cog Huge jumps... Oh btw, old centaur brakes were lighter. And the derailleur also gained weight, the chainset&with cups is again heavier

Disgrace? Bit strong!

With the compact and mid-compact cranksets the 11t gives you a good top gear and all 11-speed cassettes from Campagnolo/Shimano/Sram work with Campagnolo, so you're not really restricted in any way.

 

I admit you are correct, I lost my control a bit.  1

 

well, I largely do flat riding, for which I'm completely happy with 13-26 with a 50-39 at the front (39-15 is a very nice gear to have on the flats)

 

I like the range and the opportunity to climb walls, but. I am very sensitive to 2t jumps, because I'm kinda weak..  1

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pwake replied to Vejnemojnen | 6 years ago
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Vejnemojnen wrote:

pwake wrote:

Vejnemojnen wrote:

The cassette range is a disgrace.. 13/29? 12/27? The 11t is only good for strong sprinters A mere mortal gets along perfectly fine with a 13t smallest cog Huge jumps... Oh btw, old centaur brakes were lighter. And the derailleur also gained weight, the chainset&with cups is again heavier

Disgrace? Bit strong!

With the compact and mid-compact cranksets the 11t gives you a good top gear and all 11-speed cassettes from Campagnolo/Shimano/Sram work with Campagnolo, so you're not really restricted in any way.

 

I admit you are correct, I lost my control a bit.  1

 

well, I largely do flat riding, for which I'm completely happy with 13-26 with a 50-39 at the front (39-15 is a very nice gear to have on the flats)

 

I like the range and the opportunity to climb walls, but. I am very sensitive to 2t jumps, because I'm kinda weak..  1

i know what you're saying about 2t jumps. All my bikes are Campagnolo-equipped and on my main bike I've just gone to the 52/36 mid-compact with a 12-27 cassette; I think it works really well, but for sure I don't need an 11t.

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700c replied to Vejnemojnen | 6 years ago
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Vejnemojnen wrote:

The cassette range is a disgrace.. 13/29? 12/27? The 11t is only good for strong sprinters A mere mortal gets along perfectly fine with a 13t smallest cog Huge jumps... Oh btw, old centaur brakes were lighter. And the derailleur also gained weight, the chainset&with cups is again heavier

Completely agree - the 11t is fairly redundant unless you're doing flatish riding in which case why pair it with a 32?!

I've run 12-27 centaur 10s and 13-29 veloce cassettes for some time with both and they give a useful range. Would be even better as an 11s.

 

 

 

 

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reippuert replied to 700c | 6 years ago
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700c wrote:

Vejnemojnen wrote:

The cassette range is a disgrace.. 13/29? 12/27? The 11t is only good for strong sprinters A mere mortal gets along perfectly fine with a 13t smallest cog Huge jumps... Oh btw, old centaur brakes were lighter. And the derailleur also gained weight, the chainset&with cups is again heavier

Completely agree - the 11t is fairly redundant unless you're doing flatish riding in which case why pair it with a 32?!

I've run 12-27 centaur 10s and 13-29 veloce cassettes for some time with both and they give a useful range. Would be even better as an 11s.

 

 

show me a 13-29 11 speed casette and im all in, perfect ratio

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velotech_cycling replied to Vejnemojnen | 6 years ago
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Vejnemojnen wrote:

The cassette range is a disgrace.. 13/29? 12/27? The 11t is only good for strong sprinters A mere mortal gets along perfectly fine with a 13t smallest cog Huge jumps... Oh btw, old centaur brakes were lighter. And the derailleur also gained weight, the chainset&with cups is again heavier

 

You can use a Chorus cassete if you want a wider range of cassette choices. All Campagnolo 11s cassettes and chains are interchangeable.

The overall target weight of the group was met - sure, individual parts may be heavier than some of the competitors but some are lighter, so the target is hit - and it has to be said that all groupset components from whatever manufacturer, are designed to be partnered with & will work best with, their matching parts, so individual component weights are not so important.

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