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Ignore or challenge? Is it worth engaging with Nigel Farage about cycling?; No new deal at Bahrain McLaren for Mark Cavendish; Chris Froome's emotional reflection after final race for Team Ineos; New study supports e-bike safety + more on the live blog

It's Monday and Dan Alexander will be taking you through the start of the week on the live blog...
09 November 2020, 16:45
Sir Chris Hoy staying active

We've long since known that track sprinters win the award for 'biggest quads in the sport'. There's no power-to-weight ratio here, just pure power and it seems Sir Chris Hoy is putting his tree trunk legs to good use with some retirement gym work.

We've done some maths to put 215kg in persepctive and it turns out it's the equivalent of Hoy squatting with three and a half Nairo Quintanas on his back...impressive.

09 November 2020, 15:35
Positive news from Railton LTN

The positive impact that infrastructure can have on cycling participation is exemplified by these encouraging statistics from Railton LTN. Having surveyed the LTN for three months they saw a 131% increase in cyclists, 75% of all journeys on Railton Road were by bike and perhaps most importantly there was a 450% increase in children and cargo bikes.

Last week LTNs were debated in Parliament and more than 120 doctors and nurses wrote to Sadiq Khan asking for him to push ahead with plans for more schemes in the capital.

09 November 2020, 13:12
No new deal at Bahrain McLaren for Mark Cavendish
Mark Cavendish Scheldeprijs interview still via Sporza.PNG

Mark Cavendish's exit from Bahrain McLaren looked to be all but confirmed yesterday when the team announced nine riders who had signed new contracts for 2021 - Cavendish was not included. It has long been suspected that the Manxman would depart the team after just one season, with the 35-year-old struggling to recapture the form that saw him win 30 stages of the Tour de France between 2008 and 2016. After Gent-Wevelgem, the sprinter suggested that it might have been the final race of his career before reasserting his desire to continue racing beyond 2020. Welsh rider Stephen Williams and Heinrich Haussler were two of the nine to have signed new deals. On Friday we reported that the team will be renamed Bahrain Victorious next season.

09 November 2020, 14:06
New Selle San Marco saddle
Selle San Marco press release

The new Aspide Short saddle has a reduced length which Selle San Marco claim increases comfort on the bike. It is 28mm shorter than the previous Aspide model and can be bought in eight different models depending on width and material of rail.

Our review of one of Selle San Marco's other short style saddles, the ShortFit Dynamic, can be read here.

09 November 2020, 12:30
Your round...

It's normally Champagne that the pros are sipping on the final stage of a Grand Tour, but this throwback to the final stage of the Vuelta in 2017 is much more to our taste. Coffee on the go for race winner Chris Froome, even delivered by second-placed Vincenzo Nibali's teammate Valerio Agnoli. With the cafe shut for the foreseeable future we might just have to give this a try next weekend.

09 November 2020, 12:10
Transcontinental Race hopes to go ahead as planned in 2021
Fiona Kolbinger Transcontinental day 1_Credit AngusSung.co_.uk for Transcontinental.cc

Transcontinental No 8 is to go ahead as planned in the summer of 2021, as things stand. The Race Manual for the 2021 edition is due to be released in December which will provide more detail about the race. The organisers hope the race can run in a similar format to previous years but have stressed the need to stay adaptable to any COVID-19 restrictions that may apply next summer.

09 November 2020, 11:12
Twitter reaction to Farage question
Farage tweet

Well that was pretty unanimous.... @BeeCycling captured the mood on Twitter pretty well.

09 November 2020, 10:19
Is it worth engaging with Nigel Farage about cycling?

Who'd have thought it? We can add Nigel Farage to the list of ignorant anti-cyclists... In his woeful Daily Mail article titled: "Cyclists need to stop being so pious, pay road tax - and obey the rules like us motorists", Farage wheels out all the usual baseless claims that cyclists are familiar with by now.

Unsurprisingly Farage has received a great deal of pushback for his 'argument'...

But is it worth engaging with Farage, and others, on issues involving cycling? Last week, Jeremy Clarkson once again blamed cycle lanes for congestion in London and many of you suggested it would be better to ignore the former Top Gear presenter rather than engage with his argument. Farage has made his ignorance evident and is unlikely to change such strong anti-cycling views even when faced with facts...so should we just ignore him?

Let us know your views by voting in our poll... 

Should we just ignore Nigel Farage or challenge his bollocks?

Ignore him
Challenge him
 
 
 
 
 
 
09 November 2020, 09:46
Vuelta reaction

Pascal Ackermann won the stage, Primoz Roglic won the race...three weeks of scintillating racing finished a reduced but much-needed 2020 season. The Slovenian was able to lift his Bianchi above his head in Madrid as the winner of the Vuelta for the second year running.

Roglic Bianchi

Richard Carapaz finished second but you wouldn't have known it from the celebrations of hundreds of Ecuadorian fans who greeted their hero after the final stage... 

And there was this nice moment between Chris Froome and Rui Oliveira as well...

09 November 2020, 09:27
Study suggests e-bike injuries no more serious than those sustained on normal bikes
e-bike riding in city - via shimano.PNG

A Dutch study on injuries sustained by cyclists has found that the injuries sustained by e-bike users were no more serious than those sustained by riders of non-electric bikes. The study looked at 169 cases where cyclists were admitted to hospital and found that the only major difference was that e-bike users tended to be older than those riding non-electric bikes. No group suffered injuries much more serious than the other with the study concluding: "Except for a higher rate of thoracic and soft-tissue trauma in e-bikers, no differences were found in the mechanism and severity of injury."

09 November 2020, 09:05
Chris Froome emotional after final race with Team Ineos

Four Tour de France titles, two Vuelta a Espana, one Giro d'Italia and a decade later and Chris Froome has raced for Team Ineos for the final time. Visibly emotional after the finish line in Madrid, the 35-year-old relived his favourite memories with the team. Froome was awarded the trophy for his first Grand Tour win, the 2011 Vuelta, before Stage 21 after it was retrospectively given to Foome following Juan Jose Cobo's three-year suspension for doping offences last year. 

"Obviously it's been an emotional day. My last day with the team, it's been 11 years. I'm excited for what lies ahead but it's also time for me to reflect on all the highs and lows," Froome said.

Dan joined road.cc in 2020, and spent most of his first year (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. At the start of 2022 he took on the role of news editor. Before joining road.cc, Dan wrote about various sports, including football and boxing for the Daily Express, and covered the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Part of the generation inspired by the 2012 Olympics, Dan has been 'enjoying' life on two wheels ever since and spends his weekends making bonk-induced trips to the petrol stations of the south of England.

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KR1960 | 3 years ago
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Really?  The best thing to do with Farage is to starve him of the oxygen of publicity.  He is only saying what has been said to me by countless morons over the years.  
 

sadly, it is indicative of UK society - cyclists are considered as 'other than', weak,  second class and a nuisance who get in the way.  So they are vilified and targeted by loud mouthed louts like Farage and Co. 
 

 

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pauld replied to KR1960 | 3 years ago
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Or, invite the spiteful tool out onto the roads on a bike in the rush hour for a chat about how cyclists cope will people like him in cars, vans, suv's etc performing close passes etc.. Might open his eyes a bit. You never know, loosing £10k on the Trump bet, he might need to cycle more..

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Captain Badger replied to KR1960 | 3 years ago
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KR1960 wrote:

Really?  The best thing to do with Farage is to starve him of the oxygen of publicity. ....

"Really?  The best thing to do with Farage is to starve him of the oxygen of oxygen. "....

TFTFY

[credit to the much-missed Linda Smith]

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David9694 | 3 years ago
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one of the 'sleb' cyclists needs to invite Nigel out for a bike ride.  Like Germany invited Al Murray (pub landlord character) to do a TV travelogue there.  

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OnYerBike | 3 years ago
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I wish we could just ignore him, but can we? Wikipedia claims The DM is the UK's "highest-circulated daily newspaper". It is a sad truth that a lot of people will read this - and a lot of them will believe it. I don't think it's much of a leap of faith to accept that this sort of drivel leads to attacks on cyclists (including deliberately dangerous driving), along with the aggresive resistance to any infrastructure designed to make life better for people traveling by bike (which, incidentally, will make life better for everyone else too).

That said, I am also very aware that any article published here is just going to be preaching to the choir. Is responding to it in that manner actually going to achieve anything? Or will it just generate revenue for the DM through people clicking through to the article in order to ogle at the stupidity on display?

I'm not sure what the solution is. Letters to the editors? Can anyone get some column inches in a national newspaper to set the record straight? Write to your MP's - make it clear that Mr Garage does not speak for the "common person"?

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markieteeee replied to OnYerBike | 3 years ago
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The mail online make more from advertsing revenue than any other paper. So yes, you are correct - clicking through increases their revenue.  The advertisers don't know that you clicked through to correct them when they make an honest error or deliberately pubish nonsense, to argue with stupidity, to support refugees, to protect a minority, to counter their hate-filled bile, in outrage at their misogyny or to see what Nigel is banging on about (which may contain all of the previous examples). A click is a click. If you visit, they make more money.  

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squired | 3 years ago
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The thing that always makes me laugh is how motorists go on about how cyclists need to be punished for breaking the law, like drivers, as if every driver is penalised as soon as they do something illegal.  Yet I'm not sure I could give a percentage for the number of cars going past my house that actually abide by the 20mph speed limit because it is so low.  Or I could add to that the number dangerously cutting the corner (per the image I've added).

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wtjs replied to squired | 3 years ago
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Or I could add to that the number dangerously cutting the corner

That's what started me on my anti-police crusade. I was stationary waiting to turn right and I escaped serious life wrecking injury by inches when he hit me with the usual claim 'didn't see you'. That, as you know, is enough for the police: not dead=don't care. To that they added 'it was only a momentary loss of concentration by the driver' - an excuse which you can use to refuse prosecution of every motorist. Music to the ears of the police.

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EK Spinner replied to squired | 3 years ago
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That corner cutting has become so normal (and acceptable??) to so many that I now find (when I am driving) and I am turning right out of a junction that drivers who want to turn right into the junction will stop (holding up thru traffic) to (politly?) let me out the junction before they turn in. I have concluded that this is due to a combination of things.
1. they assume I will be on the wrong side of the road so I can cut the corner as I turn out, hence narrowing the lane
2.They are too bloody lazy to turn thier wheel, or completly incapable of judging where their vehicle will sweep as they turn

I will excuse (cautious) drivers of larger or towing vehicles as they tend to sweep a much tighter radius

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wycombewheeler replied to squired | 3 years ago
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I routinely had drivers losing their minds when I would line up close to the centre line to turn out of a road which they were epecting to be able to cut the corner of turning in. As if I was cutting them up in some way.

If they are incapable of driving on te correct side, they should probably let me out first.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.616847,-0.7223292,3a,75y,353.66h,68.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFR0mfFSOmzAxUIEOAHbRfg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

This car caught by the streetview car taking a wider line than most. It's not like there a shortage of space for turning right in the correct lane.

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HarrogateSpa | 3 years ago
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Road.cc is so sincere about the idea of ignoring Farage that they've filled the whole of the Live Blog with "news" about him, and even created a poll...shall we ignore him or not? Well, by creating the poll you've answered your own question.

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Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
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Farage is symptomatic of the whole populist politicians that are endemic at the moment, one wonders if this was what Germany was like in the 1930's, but with added online echo chambers like TwitBook.

Challenge the message - ignore the people.

If pigfaceshagger had not engaged Farage with how different this 2020's UK would be. 

Our relationship with the EU was 10th on the things people worried about in 2010.

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Kendalred | 3 years ago
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Ignore the fascist Toad of Toad Hall, he's only lashing out because he knows he's now about as welcome in the White House as a lingering fart.

Also, how great would a coffee domestique be! Especially in these pandemic times when a coffee stop is difficult.

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Nick T | 3 years ago
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The deplatforming of "people" like H*pkins and Yaxley-Lennon proves that the lack of engagement with their so-called commentary works; don't engage, don't amplify. 

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP | 3 years ago
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On the local neighbourhood forum (N London) some one has posted 'is anyone else frustrated with the new cycle lanes installed by the council?' And lo, there are hundreds of comments all repeating the same lies and misinformation. It's profoundly depressing. Not just that people hold such baseless, hateful attitudes towards people who ride a cycle but because the Cllrs will waver and before long the cycle lanes will be scrapped. 

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Awavey | 3 years ago
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Ignore the person, but challenge the ideas.

Farage is just mirroring or repeating stuff that comes up with monotonous regularity about cycling,that any delve into a local paper story about cyclists will confirm alot of people believe are true statements.

How we challenge them I dont know as we dont ever seem to make much ground on it,but pretending that people dont think like that towards cycling is a bad idea imo.

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brooksby | 3 years ago
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Please ignore Farage generally, not just in relation to cycling (and the Loophole bloke too!)

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Hirsute | 3 years ago
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Does Nigel Farage read road.cc ?

What form and medium do you perceive this engagement will take ?

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mpdouglas replied to Hirsute | 3 years ago
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I've had enough of the hate filled clown. I decided to call him out on his mis-information. If it causes even one of his fanbase to think again, it feels worth it. 

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP replied to mpdouglas | 3 years ago
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I dare not do Twitter - i would explode with rage. So thanks for having the stamina and giving the c++t the response he deserves. 

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Captain Badger replied to BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP | 3 years ago
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Lukas wrote:

I dare not do Twitter - i would explode with rage. So thanks for having the stamina and giving the c++t the response he deserves. 

I had to delete my account - I was spending too much time engaging with people who were idiots. It's a shame cos there are so many decent folk on it too, but it's always the time-sucking twonks who push your buttons

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