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First Ride: Shimano Dura-Ace 9150 Di2

Mat gets to ride Shimano's brand new Dura-Ace Di2 groupset

Shimano has revealed more details of its top-level Dura-Ace 9150 Di2 electronic groupset, and road.cc has had the chance to use it for the first time.

Shimano has brought me out to Calpe, Spain, where several of its pro teams are currently running training camps, to check out the new products and use it for the first time. I’ve been on two (very wet and cold) rides using Dura-Ace 9150 today, one of an hour and the other of two hours, so these are very much first impressions.

- First Look: Shimano’s new 2017 Dura-Ace power meter

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There are several noticeable ways in which Dura-Ace 9150 Di2 performs differently from previous versions.

1. Improved shift feel

First, shifts feel slightly different. There’s more of a definite click when you press the buttons. You had a click before, but now it’s bigger. Di2 still isn’t as clicky as Campagnolo EPS but you definitely get a little more feedback than before, especially when you’re in full finger gloves like I was today (two pairs! I know, your heart bleeds for me).

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2. Altered hood buttons

While we’re talking about the shifters, they have a button at the front of the hood, under the hood cover. Buttons have been there since 2012 although Shimano has changed the design now, moved their position, and made them more clicky. They're altogether easier to use.

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What are these buttons for? Well, you can set up the system using Shimano's software to have these buttons as extra shifters. You could have the one on the left lever move the rear derailleur inboard and the one on the right lever move it the opposite way.

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Alternatively, you can set up your system so that the buttons change the display on a Garmin Edge bike computer.

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Each of these buttons can have two different functions, one when you press it and the other when you press and hold it. Shimano invites third party manufacturers to come up with other uses for the buttons, which will send commands via a private ANT+ protocol. There’s no reason why other bike computer manufacturers couldn’t join Garmin in making use of the facility, or other brands coming up with a totally new way of using it.

3. Redesigned junction box

The Junction A unit that was previously a cuboid shape has been completely redesigned. 

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Some brands, including Trek and Look, hid the previous version Junction A away inside the frame but most positioned it underneath the stem.

The new one can be plugged into the end of your handlebar, which is neat and more aerodynamically efficient. 

There's another version of the Junction A unit that manufacturers can fit into a recessed frame.

 

4. Go auto with Synchro Shift

This new Junction A unit allows you to switch between shift modes: manual, semi-Synchro Shift or full Synchro Shift.

Manual is yer bog standard changing setup: one button moves the rear derailleur one way, another button moves it the other way, and it’s similar set up for the front mech. As previously, you can tinker with the system and have your left-hand lever control the rear derailleur if you like. In fact, any of the three buttons on either shifter can move either derailleur in either direction.

If you go to full Synchro Shift, you simply press a button for a lower gear and the Di2 system will move you to the next lowest gear available even if that means shifting chainrings. So one push of a button and the system could move you from the large chainring to the small chainring, and from a large sprocket to a smaller sprocket. Geddit? 

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If you were using the small chainring and one of the small sprockets and pressed the button to move to a higher gear, the system might move you automatically to the large chainring and a larger sprocket. Put simply, the system will put you into the next ratio up, and if that means moving both derailleurs, it’ll do that.

Synchro Shift is fully customisable. You can go into Shimano's user friendly app and decide what will happen when you press up or down from any chainring/sprocket combination. 

This is technology that has come over to the road world from Shimano’s mountain biking groupsets. Why would you want to use Synchro Shift on the road? Well, it’s not designed to get rid of the need for a dedicated front mech shifter. It has really been introduced for time trial and triathlon where you can have just one bar end shifter on the left aero bar and another on the right. With Synchro Shift you just press either the up button or the down button regardless of the current position of the derailleurs and chain. However, if you want to use it on a standard road bike, it is an option.

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There is currently no warning beep to let you know when the front derailleur is going to move the chain from one chainring to the other, which would allow you to adjust the amount of pressure you’re putting on the pedals accordingly, although Garmin will bring in this feature via the bike computer, and any other computer brand that cares to can do the same.

The semi-Synchro Shift option might be of more interest to road bike users. With semi Synchro Shift, when you move the front derailleur the rear derailleur will automatically move the chain a certain number of sprockets at the same time. 

So, say you’re moving from the small chainring to the large chainring. If you do nothing else, this will increase the size of the gear by a considerable margin, right? With semi-Synchro Shift enabled, the system will move the chain up the cassette to reduce that margin and keep your cadence more consistent. 

Moving from the large chainring to the small chainring would usually reduce the size of the gear by a large chunk so Di2 will automatically move the chain down the cassette to reduce the jump. 

If you’re an experienced bike rider you probably do this yourself a lot of the time without even thinking about it. I was riding with semi-Synchro Shift today and I kept forgetting about it, so I’d move the front derailleur and then immediately move the rear derailleur manually when I didn’t need to. That’s not a problem – you can override the system – but it defeats the object. A certain amount of re-education would be needed to establish new habits. I see it as being more useful to someone coming into the use of dual derailleurs for the first time. 

Switching between manual, semi Synchro Shift and Synchro Shift is easy, you just double-click a button on the Junction A unit. You could just about do it while riding although the idea is that you do it while stationary. Chances are that you’ll stick with one mode forever.

Mapping the gears – deciding the specifics of how Synchro Shift and semi Synchro Shift work – is very simple via Shimano’s E-Tube Project software which you can run on a PC, iPad or a phone. 

The one feature of Shimano Dura-Ace 9150 Di2 that I’ve not yet used is the power meter. I’ve seen it, been talked through it and know what it does, but I’ve yet to use it. I’ll write a separate story on that tomorrow when I’ve given it a go.

Mat has been in cycling media since 1996, on titles including BikeRadar, Total Bike, Total Mountain Bike, What Mountain Bike and Mountain Biking UK, and he has been editor of 220 Triathlon and Cycling Plus. Mat has been road.cc technical editor for over a decade, testing bikes, fettling the latest kit, and trying out the most up-to-the-minute clothing. We send him off around the world to get all the news from launches and shows too. He has won his category in Ironman UK 70.3 and finished on the podium in both marathons he has run. Mat is a Cambridge graduate who did a post-grad in magazine journalism, and he is a winner of the Cycling Media Award for Specialist Online Writer. Now over 50, he's riding road and gravel bikes most days for fun and fitness rather than training for competitions.

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GoodtoGo | 6 years ago
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Can anyone confirm if synchro shifting will be enabled for 6770 10 speed..

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harman_mogul | 7 years ago
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Good stuff Watlina!

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watlina | 7 years ago
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Shimano don't appear to have released the firmware yet to enable Syncro Shift on DA9070. It was supposed to be here in November 16

Shimano Introduces New DURA-ACE R9100 Press Release June 30 2016
"Shimano Synchronized Shift will be available for all previous 11-speed Di2 road component groups with the use of new Di2 firmware and accessories in November 2016"

I've got the new BT-DN110 Battery and the new Bluetooth EW-WU101 fitted (you could alternatively fit the EW-WU111, same thing different shape) and this all talks fine via Bluetooth to the new iOS E-Tube phone app (iPad one has been out for awhile) for firmware updates and adjustments but there's not yet an option to turn on Syncro Shift. (checked again last night)

I don't think you will actually need the new EW-RS910 bar-end Junction A to make it work. But I'm going to fit one anyway because they look neater. They are not available till February and I think for me it will be a little trickier to fit. My Specialized S-Works Roubaix Di2 Disc has the BR-RS785 hydraulic shifters  which only have a single E-tube port. The rim brake shifters have two so it can easily all loop in and out in a single line (E-tube is a serial comms system) with the new 2 port EW-RS910 bar-end at the end. So I think I'll also need the new EW-JC130 E-tube Di2 Y-split cable and a longer E-tube wire coming up out of my frame to get it all to string together for my setup.

EW-RS910 E-tube Di2 frame or bar plug mount Junction A, charging point, 2 port
EW-WU101 Wireless ANT+ unit for E-tube Di2
EW-WU111 E-tube Di2 wireless unit, 2 port
BT-DN110 Di2 internal mount battery
EW-JC130 E-tube Di2 Y-split cable (3 different lengths available)

 

 

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part_robot | 7 years ago
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I'm switching back to mechanical for precisely those reasons. When the huge electromagnetic pulses from nuclear bombs fry all electronics I'd like to be sure I've got a chance at least of escaping to the countryside to lead my new life as a scavenger in comparative peace.

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handlebarcam | 7 years ago
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Good luck charging the batteries that are required to make your bicycle work when the French stop selling us the overflow electricity from their nuclear power stations, and we start having rationing and blackouts and brownouts in order to keep the lights on at the businesses that the Tories are bribing to stay in the country. At least those of us who have stuck with 100% mechanical bikes will be able to use egg timers to record ourselves trying to beat the Strava times we hurriedly scribbled down on paper as the power was flickering out. Then, when the zombie apocalypse happens, and you are desperately trying to rig up some kind of solar charger, we'll be able to ride to a hidden Shangri-La, peopled by supermodels and geniuses who happened to be on board the same plane that crashed when Trump nuked China.

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gmrza | 7 years ago
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One of the things I would love to see is 105 Di2.  On my commuter, I could definitely put up a business case for running Di2 if 105 had it.  Considering the cost and labour of replacing all my shift cables once a year and the rear one at least every 6 months, over 5 years I could think I could easily cost-justify Di2.  The problem is that with the number of cassettes and chains I replace, Ultegra gets a bit pricey.  Maybe the way to go is to start with Ultegra Di2 and downgrade the chainrings, chain and cassette  1

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steviemarco replied to gmrza | 7 years ago
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gmrza wrote:

One of the things I would love to see is 105 Di2.  On my commuter, I could definitely put up a business case for running Di2 if 105 had it.  Considering the cost and labour of replacing all my shift cables once a year and the rear one at least every 6 months, over 5 years I could think I could easily cost-justify Di2.  The problem is that with the number of cassettes and chains I replace, Ultegra gets a bit pricey.  Maybe the way to go is to start with Ultegra Di2 and downgrade the chainrings, chain and cassette  1

I think you're supposed to upgrade? Or so the manufactures would want us to. The more expensive components are supposed to last longer?

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MNgraveur | 7 years ago
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Could you set up the hidden buttons to control a small motor? Asking for a friend.

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Stueys | 7 years ago
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Mat, my DA 9070 has the buttons under the hoods, it will also control a garmin if you fit the optional d-fly.   This isn't new.....

 

Synchro seems to be a limited use case, for me anyway.  I like the hidden junction box though, that's probably worth a retro fit for me, the rest seems pretty marginal.

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