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The Chichester junction where drivers must give way to cyclists who they can’t see

New cycle path means bikes are now travelling against cars on a previously one-way street

A cyclist who snapped both ligaments in his shoulder following a collision with a car at a notorious Chichester junction says he doesn’t blame the driver, but instead lays the blame for the incident with the design of a new cycle path which is part of £210,000 project to make the city safer for bikes.

“The driver was very shaken up,” said Andrew Rose following the collision. “I don’t feel like he was being careless, I feel like he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.”

Rose told the Chichester Observer how he had been riding westbound along North Walls last Tuesday when he collided with the side of a car that was pulling out of Chapel Street from under an archway in the city walls.

Rose was on a cycle path which had been added along North Walls in March as part of West Sussex County Council’s £210,000 project to make the city safer for bikes. While he had the right of way, he points out that cars pulling out of Chapel Street have greatly reduced visibility.

“For drivers pulling out from under the city walls it’s impossible to see left because of the wall and because of overgrowing weeds which need to be cut. Cars are supposed to stop at the give way lines, but they can’t give way to the left until they’re in the middle of the road.”

Adam Havoc wrote to the newspaper about the new road layout several weeks ago, calling it the ‘dumbest junction and possibly the most dangerous in Chichester’.

“When turning either left or right out of Chapel Street, the city wall makes it impossible to see cyclists, the only thing to do is gingerly pull out,” he said, before pointing out that cyclists are also travelling against the flow of traffic. “Turning left or right into North Walls used to be one-way streets but now cyclists are encouraged to ride against the traffic on both these very narrow roads.”

Rose had been due to take part in the RideLondon-Surrey 100, but cannot ride for eight to 12 weeks due to the injuries he sustained. He later went back to the junction to see how other drivers were negotiating it.

“We’ve only been here a short time and although probably eight out of ten drivers are stopping, looking and carefully pulling out, the rest are just having a quick glance and going. One driver didn’t even stop to look before pulling out which is terrifying. I didn’t realise just how busy this junction is.

“After my accident one witness said he (the driver) did stop and look before he pulled out and he still didn’t see me so it shows how dangerous it is here.”

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psling | 8 years ago
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Looking at it I can't see how there is any blocking of the view to the right. The streetview clearly shows the vehicle taking the footage is placed a fair few feet back from the give way lines and there is ample open view to the right. Look from the approach view point and again you can see that with the front bumper of pretty much any car would allow the driver to see to the right unimpeded.
This is NOT a design fault, it's more excuses for drivers not stopping at the line and actually looking AND 'seeing' and showing courtesy to other road users...

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“For drivers pulling out from under the city walls it’s impossible to see left because of the wall and because of overgrowing weeds which need to be cut. Cars are supposed to stop at the give way lines, but they can’t give way to the left until they’re in the middle of the road.”

Mmmm... contraflows, left hands, right hands, it's easy to get confused and that's just on a forum...

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lagging behind | 8 years ago
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I'm surprised that got through a road safety audit.

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a.jumper replied to lagging behind | 8 years ago
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lagging behind wrote:

I'm surprised that got through a road safety audit.

You must be new here! Safety auditors rarely understand cycling and their solution would probably be to ban it. No cyclists means no injuries means safe roads and who cares about public health? That's somebody else's problem.

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mrmo | 8 years ago
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https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.83961,-0.780515,3a,75y,127.15h,90.76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szr0281F0320j33c1jPFSuQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

drop the sight line a bit to allow for drivers eye and not google eye, I can see where the problem Is coming from.

Against flow, Crap sight lines, you have to edge into the road to see clearly and is that really safe?

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ianrobo | 8 years ago
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we do have to remember that the google cam is way higher than the normal driving view

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benb | 8 years ago
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Not great sightlines, but I think a careful driver ought to be able to creep out without endangering a cyclist on that path. Here's the view from the driver's POV. https://goo.gl/maps/gM1EM

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Bristolbybike replied to benb | 8 years ago
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>https://goo.gl/maps/gwOB2

Seems to be half a cyclist on the bonnet of the Google car...  13

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teaboy | 8 years ago
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Is there a reason that vehicles have to exit from that road? It could be made entrance-only (reversing the one-way direction shown in the pic), thus removing the 'sightline' issue.

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jacknorell | 8 years ago
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Looks like there's good sightlines if stopped at the give way line? Or am I missing something obvious here?

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farrell replied to jacknorell | 8 years ago
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jacknorell wrote:

Looks like there's good sightlines if stopped at the give way line? Or am I missing something obvious here?

The path on the bottom right of that picture looks like it narrows in, so I'd imagine the wall blocks quite a bit, plus then the shrubbery it contains (described as overgrown weeds in the article) blocks out a chunk more. The give way lines are where the front of the car should be, many drivers could (and should) be sat 3 or 4 feet back from that point.

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