Campaigners slam iconic Irish TV show after anti-cycling rant

don simon wrote:

brooksby wrote:

velo-nh wrote:

American here, not a spectator across the pond.  If you assault a cop or try to take their firearm then you're going to have a bad day.  Incidents like that were twisted by the media and the administration leading to riots and chaos ultimately leading to more deaths, including assassinations of cops.  Liberals have taken "repeat the lie" to heart with things like "hands up, don't shoot" that was a total fabrication of the media.  You can call names all you want, but the we're not having it anymore.  That's why we elected Trump.  That's also why, under his administration, we haven't had much of that BS going on.  

On the other hand, you've had a whole lot of other BS going on.  Most of it seems to have been produced by your own commander in chief or his immediate friends and relations... 

Are you saying that the fat bastard's doctor lied about his health so as not to be fired? That's a terrible slander on the racist commander in chief and his hard of thinking supporters.

I do like the idea that they lied about his *height*: allegedly he's now an inch taller than before he was president, which gives him a BMI as merely overweight instead of obese (even if you assumed that they reported his weight correctly)  

velo-nh wrote:

American here, not a spectator across the pond.  If you assault a cop or try to take their firearm then you're going to have a bad day.  Incidents like that were twisted by the media and the administration leading to riots and chaos ultimately leading to more deaths, including assassinations of cops.  Liberals have taken "repeat the lie" to heart with things like "hands up, don't shoot" that was a total fabrication of the media.  You can call names all you want, but the we're not having it anymore.  That's why we elected Trump.  That's also why, under his administration, we haven't had much of that BS going on.  

If by BS you mean how many times Trump has lied to the US people during his term I would beg to differ

(Source: https://nyti.ms/2jWqBz1)

American here, not a spectator across the pond.  If you assault a cop or try to take their firearm then you're going to have a bad day.  Incidents like that were twisted by the media and the administration leading to riots and chaos ultimately leading to more deaths, including assassinations of cops.  Liberals have taken "repeat the lie" to heart with things like "hands up, don't shoot" that was a total fabrication of the media.  You can call names all you want, but the we're not having it anymore.  That's why we elected Trump.  That's also why, under his administration, we haven't had much of that BS going on.  

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2,868,691 more US citizens voted for Clinton over Trump. That's called a fact.

Dropped wrote:

2,868,691 more US citizens voted for Clinton over Trump. That's called a fact.

I know laws are a difficult thing for liberals to understand, but we don't elect our leader based on total number of votes.  If we did, the votes of those in most states would be completely irrelevant because California would have such a disproportionate number of votes based on its population density.  Since the founders wanted to ensure that all states matter, we have the electoral system.  Our country is quite vast, try to remember that.

As for the rest of you, wow.. name calling.  You guys like to imply that you're somehow more intelligent but that's the best you can come up with?  No wonder Europe is in the shape it is.  Our economy is doing great since Trump took over.  How's Brexit going?

velo-nh wrote:

Dropped wrote:

2,868,691 more US citizens voted for Clinton over Trump. That's called a fact.

I know laws are a difficult thing for liberals to understand, but we don't elect our leader based on total number of votes.  If we did, the votes of those in most states would be completely irrelevant because California would have such a disproportionate number of votes based on its population density.  Since the founders wanted to ensure that all states matter, we have the electoral system.  Our country is quite vast, try to remember that.

As for the rest of you, wow.. name calling.  You guys like to imply that you're somehow more intelligent but that's the best you can come up with?  No wonder Europe is in the shape it is.  Our economy is doing great since Trump took over.  How's Brexit going?

 

Gosh, you're right: us poor European countries should all go out and elect a crypto fascist (edit: and racist - I forgot to say, racist!) billionaire property developer who can put their own family members in positions of authority and change laws to their own advantage... What could possibly go wrong.

velo-nh wrote:

No wonder Europe is in the shape it is.

Uh-oh, someone thinks Fox News is real.

velo-nh wrote:

Dropped wrote:

2,868,691 more US citizens voted for Clinton over Trump. That's called a fact.

I know laws are a difficult thing for liberals to understand, but we don't elect our leader based on total number of votes.  If we did, the votes of those in most states would be completely irrelevant because California would have such a disproportionate number of votes based on its population density.  Since the founders wanted to ensure that all states matter, we have the electoral system.  Our country is quite vast, try to remember that.

As for the rest of you, wow.. name calling.  You guys like to imply that you're somehow more intelligent but that's the best you can come up with?  No wonder Europe is in the shape it is.  Our economy is doing great since Trump took over.  How's Brexit going?

 

Your country has just embarrassed itself, electing a toddler with an obvious personality disorder.    Someone who makes me almost proud of our right-wingers in comparison - at least they can string a few intelligible sentences together and go five minutes without needing to demand praise from everyone around them in order to stave off psychic collapse.

  But then, your's is a country where sheep donate money to buy their mega-rich pastor a private jet.  Trump is just another prosperity gospel preacher, taking the suckers for a ride.

And your electoral system makes as much sense as your bizarre attempt at reasoning (no, the votes of people in most states would not be 'completely irrelevant' they would count as much as anyone else's votes).

Your economy is coasting on the recovery that occured under the previous incumbent.  Nothing much has changed, and it's only a matter of time before it throws another fit.

velo-nh wrote:

American here, not a spectator across the pond.  If you assault a cop or try to take their firearm then you're going to have a bad day.  Incidents like that were twisted by the media and the administration leading to riots and chaos ultimately leading to more deaths, including assassinations of cops.  Liberals have taken "repeat the lie" to heart with things like "hands up, don't shoot" that was a total fabrication of the media.  You can call names all you want, but the we're not having it anymore.  That's why we elected Trump.  That's also why, under his administration, we haven't had much of that BS going on.  

The sad thing is you actually beleive that is true!

Just like people watching the programme that also spouted BS/hatred regarding people on bikes  will also go on to commit crimes against us, Trump supporters believe all his BS and then minority groups are attacked. The increases came pretty much straight after the elections, surpressed news or is that fake news telling you everything is okay.

Sorry but you're utterly deluded.

velo-nh wrote:

burtthebike wrote:

You've only got to look across the pond to the USA to see the effect of Trump making racist behaviour acceptable to prove the point.

That started under President Obama. BLM was born under his administration, his administration funded it, helped organize it.

One of the things that makes me sad is not just this sort of revisionist nonsense, we've always had it to some degree, but also that it seems to be much more widespread and delivered with increasing certainty... SAD! *

* To quote Winston Churchill.

velo-nh wrote:

That started under President Obama.  BLM was born under his administration, his administration funded it, helped organize it.  That led to rioting, looting, arson, and assaults on both police and innocent bystanders.  

Things have been comparatively quiet with President Trump in charge.  The race-baiting has gone from being a task of the federal government and is now the lowly domain of the ratings-starved media.

President Obama set the country back decades or more.  It was shameful.  And a lot of those supposed hate crimes the news runs with?  Eventually it turns out that the "victim" was actually the perpetrator.  And that's not unique to the US.

Oh, Mr Bannon, hi there!  I thought that you'd been not giving evidence to congress yesterday - I didn't realise that you read road.cc!! 

errbud wrote:

I'm sorry I'm not buying that people are going to start changing their behaviour on the road because of some played out hacky material Clarkson was doing 15 years ago. Road users are going to be an arsehole on the road or they're going to be courteous either way I don't think that is going to sway them. People comparing it to racism is ludicrous. Lets all jump on the offended bus and head for the victim Olympics.

You might not buy it, but it is proven by history over the past several thousand years.  Demonise a group to distract from your own problems, attack them at every turn, get the media to continually run articles, and very soon public opinion shifts massively, and attacking that outgroup is seen as acceptable.

errbud wrote:

I'm sorry I'm not buying that people are going to start changing their behaviour on the road because of some played out hacky material Clarkson was doing 15 years ago. Road users are going to be an arsehole on the road or they're going to be courteous either way I don't think that is going to sway them. People comparing it to racism is ludicrous. Lets all jump on the offended bus and head for the victim Olympics.

You've obviously never had anyone directly quote Clarkson to you after nearly running you off the road, as I have.  The attitudes shown in the media affect people's actions, and put others at risk.

errbud wrote:

Who cares what a couple of no marks say on a chat show anyway

Only that it indicates the views of quite a few people in society, and encourages those people.

The continued repetition of lies and propaganda about cycling does have an effect, and the drip drip of hate speech does affect people.  I strongly suspect, but can't prove obviously, that the overwhelming publicity about the Alliston case had a considerable effect on public views, and I wish someone had done a pre- and post- opinion survey.  I'm sure it would have shown a significant change in public perceptions.

The fact that so many media have adopted the attitude that cyclists can do no right and it is perfectly fine to denigrate an entire group because of their mode of transport must affect the people who view it, especially when there is so little positive coverage to balance it.

We ignore this blatant bias at our peril, literally.

errbud wrote:

Who cares what a couple of no marks say on a chat show anyway

Unfortunately said chat show is persistently the most watched TV show in Ireland, and as such is highly influential here. As others have commented, if  replacing "cyclist" by "black/women/gay/any other broad categorisation" turns the piece into something objectionable, the media (in whatever form) must be pulled up as there will always be some moron(s) out there who take it as gospel.

In the same vein, we've had to contend with 10+ years of increasingly unhinged ranting about cyclists on his drivetime radio show from this knob (https://www.joe.ie/movies-tv/george-hook-fascist-salute-606738) with mostly "Ah, sure that's George" responses. However when he made (completely out of order) comments about a rape case, he was turfed out faster that you could park a Landcruiser in a bike lane

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

The sick thing is the discrimination against people on bikes and the ever spreading hate speech that's being allowed in the media IS costing lives and is hurting people. The concern for and adressing discrimination for other aspects like race, religion, disability, sex is great, however in the UK the actual harm both physical and mental particularly the former is very much greater for people on bikes and yet is ignored and even encouraged.

Which other 'out group' gets targetted in the same fashion as people who rides bikes, no-one.

It's sickening, then you have someone who supposedly identifies as one of your group chatting shit, do you know what Valbrona, you're worse than some of the scum on the roads, at least we know they are going to behave like a cunt to your face, you're worse, a backstabbing two faced cunt who does it on the sly. Congrats on achieving the order of the cunt, you deserve it!

The Dictatorship of the Liberal.

Both of my grandfathers fought in a war so people could say and believe what they wanted.

Really, with attitudes like yours you should join Police Special Branch.

Valbrona wrote:

Both of my grandfathers fought in a war so people could say and believe what they wanted.

No they didn't.

Do you think they thought the problem with Hitler was all the millions of Jews and Poles that he was personally murdering with his own hands?

Or do you think they maybe had a better grasp of when beliefs and speech go a bit wrong and become incitement to hatred than you do?

Valbrona wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

The sick thing is the discrimination against people on bikes and the ever spreading hate speech that's being allowed in the media IS costing lives and is hurting people. The concern for and adressing discrimination for other aspects like race, religion, disability, sex is great, however in the UK the actual harm both physical and mental particularly the former is very much greater for people on bikes and yet is ignored and even encouraged.

Which other 'out group' gets targetted in the same fashion as people who rides bikes, no-one.

It's sickening, then you have someone who supposedly identifies as one of your group chatting shit, do you know what Valbrona, you're worse than some of the scum on the roads, at least we know they are going to behave like a cunt to your face, you're worse, a backstabbing two faced cunt who does it on the sly. Congrats on achieving the order of the cunt, you deserve it!

The Dictatorship of the Liberal.

Both of my grandfathers fought in a war so people could say and believe what they wanted.

Really, with attitudes like yours you should join Police Special Branch.

Having served in her majesty's forces and was about when the IRA where blowing up young kids at army bases and shooting them at point blank range on train platforms plus having a few mates killed in Iraq I think I'm justified in telling you to go fuck yourself cunt.

free speech right but what i've said doesn't push an agenda against a group that actually causes both physicla and mental harm every single day.

Your type wouldn't last 5 minutes sonny!

Valbrona wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

The sick thing is the discrimination against people on bikes and the ever spreading hate speech that's being allowed in the media IS costing lives and is hurting people. The concern for and adressing discrimination for other aspects like race, religion, disability, sex is great, however in the UK the actual harm both physical and mental particularly the former is very much greater for people on bikes and yet is ignored and even encouraged.

Which other 'out group' gets targetted in the same fashion as people who rides bikes, no-one.

It's sickening, then you have someone who supposedly identifies as one of your group chatting shit, do you know what Valbrona, you're worse than some of the scum on the roads, at least we know they are going to behave like a cunt to your face, you're worse, a backstabbing two faced cunt who does it on the sly. Congrats on achieving the order of the cunt, you deserve it!

The Dictatorship of the Liberal.

Both of my grandfathers fought in a war so people could say and believe what they wanted.

Really, with attitudes like yours you should join Police Special Branch.

I don't really think you understand free speech.  Free speech is the right to be able to say what you like without persecution.  It is not the right to be able to express your idiotic and dangerous opinions on a national broadcaster.  Nor is it the right to be able to say what you like without consequences. 

ClubSmed wrote:

Going off on a bit of a tangent, I passed a group ride yesterday that were riding three abreast. They were heading in the opposite direction to me (I was in a car) and because they were taking up so much of the width of their carriageway it resulted in technically a close pass on my behalf (though there was nowhere I could have gone). Is it usual for club rides to force close passes like this?

Depends how disciplined the group is. I'd say a slow to intermediate level group ride with new members might sometimes end up doing this. In fairness to them at least in this case it's the vulnerable road user making the choice rather than the car.

I think three abreast is technically legal on the road but it's not advised. In our club rides (LBRCC) we generally tell people off pretty rapidly for riding three abreast. Given that we sometimes get complaints for being four abreast when it's actually two abreast but not everyone is directly behind the rider in front, three abreast isn't worth it. Less room to manouvre should anything happen too.

What gets me is when drivers beep at us for being two abreast, completely ignoring the fact that in a group of say twelve or fourteen riders, two abreast is much faster to overtake.

Valbrona wrote:

“... programme material shall not stigmatise, support or condone discrimination or incite hatred against persons or groups in society.”

... straight from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Yeah. Fucking liberty eh? Fancy stopping people from broadcasting hate. Freedom of speech and all that

In related news, you're a bit of a cunt

Valbrona wrote:

“... programme material shall not stigmatise, support or condone discrimination or incite hatred against persons or groups in society.”

... straight from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

no, this is straight from the DPRK:

"Comrade Kim Il Sung and Comrade Kim Jong Il were geniuses of ideology and theory, masters of the leadership art, ever-victorious iron-willed brilliant commanders, great revolutionaries and statesmen, and great men."

I expect they were stable geniuses too.

"The social system of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is a people-centred system under which the working people are the masters of everything and everything in society serves them. The State shall defend the interests of the workers, peasants, soldiers, working intellectuals and all other working people who have been freed from exploitation and oppression and become the masters of the State and society, and respect and protect human rights."

"The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is underpinned by the politico-ideological unity of all the people based on the worker-peasant alliance led by the working class. The State shall revolutionize all the members of society, and assimilate them to the working class by intensifying the ideological revolution, and shall turn the whole of society into a collective, united in a comradely way."

This, on the other hand, is straight from the society that our ancestors built, and which most of us would like to uphold. I've linked to the simplified version for you. Articles 7, 13, 24 and 28-30 seem to fit the bill here.

http://www.civicsandcitizenship.edu.au/verve/_resources/FQ2_Simplified_V...

Valbrona wrote:

“... programme material shall not stigmatise, support or condone discrimination or incite hatred against persons or groups in society.”

... straight from the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

I look forward to Isis getting their fair proportion of time on the beeb...