The family of an American man who died trying to beat his speed record are suing Strava for encouraging him to speed.
William ‘Kim’ Flint, from Oakland, had just lost his Strava ‘King of the Mountains’ title on a local downhill stretch when he crashed into a car nearly two years ago, apparently trying to keep his record.
A lawsuit was filed in San Francisco on Monday by his family against the San Francisco-based Strava -- a website that hosts virtual races and rewards winners who use a GPS system to track their own time on short stretches of road against competitors.
"His family basically wants justice for him," Susan Kang, the Flint family's attorney told abc news.
Flint’s speed in Grizzly Peak was at least 10 miles above the posted speed limit of 30 mph. He had learned via Strava that another cyclist had clocked a better time. He was fatally injured when he suddenly braked to avoid a car and his bike flipped over.
The lawsuit accuses Strava of negligence.
"They assume no responsibility. They don't put cones out. They don't have anybody monitor and see whether a course, or a specific segment, is dangerous," said Kang. She added that if Strava knows a segment is dangerous, it should be removed from the site.
Strava spokesman Mark Riedy issued a statement saying, "The death of Kim Flint was a tragic accident, and we expressed our sincere condolences when it occurred in 2010. Based on the facts involved in the accident and the law, there is no merit to this lawsuit."
According to prosecutors, the man who killed a pensioner in San Francisco and could now face up to six years in jail was also tracking his speed using Strava.
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Ridiculous. Sad for the death of the cyclist and their family, but smacks of people trying to make some easy money, ruining everyone else's enjoyment.
Blaming Strava for this has no more merit than suing Casio because I got run over while trying to beat my PB using my stopwatch.
It's very sad that a cyclist loses their life doing something they obviously loved doing. However, cycling safely must be in the hands of the cyclist.
Similarly, if you go hang gliding, and end up in difficulties because you don't know your limits, is that the fault of the hang glider manufacturer?
I have a segment that runs up to a roundabout. If that roundabout is too busy, a judgement made by me not Strava, then I save my energy for another day. If it takes several days or weeks before I can safely attempt the segment so be it. My life is more important than a segment.
Ditto - Only in America
Only in America!! Why not sue the bike manufacturers??? Ridiculous!!
Watch out Endomondo!!
Damn you drheaton you beat me to it;)
I wonder why they don't try and sue the police for not having a speed trap there that day or the local council for building such a fast stretch of road or for that matter, as it is america, some celestial deity for making the place so hilly. Sad that he died but the family are vermin trying to make a buck. Shame on them.
I have a strava segment I am trying to get KOM on, it has a set of traffic lights in the middle. Sometimes I get caught by the lights, sometimes I am lucky I get through. The nights I get through I go for it the nights I don't I give up the attempt. If I jumped the lights and got killed it would be my own stupidity to blame. People get killed that's terribly unfortunate stop trying to blame someone else.
"His family basically wants justice for him,"
Don't see what this has to do with justice. Very sad story though.
While I sympathise with the deceased and the families, there is no substitute for personal responsibility. Only you can make a decision as to the safety of a particular road/speed etc on a given day.
I would also be interested to know the details of this incident, because I don't know my Strava results until I press the 'finish ride' button, which I don't do until I get home, so Strava can't be held accountable for my speed in a real-time sense.
They will probably get something unless strava have a good disclaimer/notice reminding users to ride safely and not break the law
One of the things that Strava promotes is the removal of "dangerous" segments. A dangerous segment could be construed as one where the pace achievable exceeds that of the roads designation thus having that segment removed for public "competing" and making it Personal Best only.
This is what scares me the most about America. You live in the real possibility that you can be sued for practically anything. What utter nonsense: I feel sympathy for the family who lost their loved one but to sue Strava?? Surely it would better to sue the bloke driving the car?
Trying to get KoM does not mean you should ignore basic safe riding. I hate the ridiculous litigation culture.
It's not really Darwinism, it's familial greed and seeing a fast buck! Just like PPI and personal injury companies here!
Woah woah woah. Strava only creates segments on climbs, this downhill segment was created by a user, how is it anything to do with Strava, other than the fact that it was on their website. Also, does Kang have any idea how many segments there are on Strava? They're a small company who run a web app, not a multi billion dollar organisation who could afford to send teams out checking segments and "putting cones out". What a f**king moron. As "Manglier" said, it's Darwinism.
With all due respect, this is a joke.
Why not sue the bike manufacture for making a bike that goes fast? or the bike shop that sold him the bike because surely without the bike he wouldn't have been tempted to get KOM.
I'd try suing God for creating the hills in the first place. Surely the fact that the hill exists is God's fault and I bet he doesn't put disclaimers on them all...
Try suing continental drift. That's what created the mountains, fact
LIKE BUTTON!
Talking of Strava, what is everyone's username?
Darwinism also applies to cyclists.
Only in America.
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