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Criticism of £100,000 'Grass covered' bike stands built 'to keep seats dry'

"We are concerned about that amount of money. Had it been a secure lock-up for bikes, no problem, but to me this just looks like a bike-rack with a roof on it.”...

Sinn Fein has criticised plans for new grass-covered bicycle stands in Belfast arguing it was a waste of £100,000 of public money just 'to keep cycle seats dry'.

The party abstained on a vote at Belfast Council’s City Growth and Regeneration Committee this week which saw approval for the new eco cycle stands across ten locations in the city. 

The stands were chosen by the council as a part of Stormont’s Covid-19 Revitalisation Programme, with money coming from the Department for Infrastructure 'Sustainable and Active' fund, Belfast Live reports

In May the council first forwarded the plan to spend £100,000 of the fund, with input from Sustrans, the cycling and walking charity.

The new stands will have a modern modular aluminium shelter, a grassy, solar roof, an LED light system powered by solar panel, and perch seating.

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At the City Growth and Regeneration Committee, Sinn Fein Councillor Ciaran Beattie said: “We are not going to vote against this, but we are concerned at £100,000 being spent just to keep seats dry.

"We will abstain on this because we are concerned about that amount of money. Had it been a secure lock-up for bikes, no problem, but to me this just looks like a bike-rack with a roof on it.”

He added: "You could put a lot of parking bays in for that money. You might have to put a bag over your seat. I don't know effective these are going to be."

12 elected representatives voted for the roll-out of the stands, from the other parties, while four Sinn Fein councillors gave a no-vote.

The ten locations for the new stands will be the Gasworks, St. George’s Market, Grosvenor Community Centre, Shankill Leisure Centre, Belmont Park, Inverary Community Centre, Belfast Zoo, Waterworks, Belvoir Activity Centre and the Mary Peters track.

The council was also tasked with looking at the potential for secured bicycle parking, and concluded there wasn’t enough money for the project.

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aacross | 2 years ago
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Lots of valid comments here.  Is no-one else curious as to who is going to mow the grass, and how?  Anyone fancy doing the risk assessment?

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Chris Hayes | 2 years ago
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I wonder whether there's scope for NCP to re-purpose some of its real-estate for bike parking.  The could use the lower floor which could be secured with a gate and a entrance / exit code - but we'd have to pay, of course.  I guess cyclists are used to commuting door-to-door and not paying for parking.  

Either way the above illustrates that the selection of the type of bike parking should be taken out of council hands (as should most things) and decent produce designed, produced and procured at scale. 

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Secret_squirrel replied to Chris Hayes | 2 years ago
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Chris Hayes wrote:

The could use the lower floor which could be secured with a gate and a entrance / exit code -

I can't see this working  - if it was secured how could they ensure it smells of piss?

More seriously I'd definately pay a small sum regularly to ensure I could use a bike lock up country-wide.   Unfortunately most of the London ones that have started up are a little too up market.  I dont need my bike park to look like a WeWork.

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SimoninSpalding replied to Secret_squirrel | 2 years ago
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Peterborough Station has a great secure bike storage area that you have to pay for (£10 a year I think) and yet even pre-pandemic it was never more than half full, with lots of bikes locked to railings around it, so it seems sensible cyclists may be in a minority!

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AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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Supposedly having plants near roads does decrease some of the CO2 pollution from vehicles, (well apparently in some studies) so I do wonder if that is the reason someone went with these grass roofs options. 

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hawkinspeter replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

Supposedly having plants near roads does decrease some of the CO2 pollution from vehicles, (well apparently in some studies) so I do wonder if that is the reason someone went with these grass roofs options. 

I'm not seeing that a small bit of roof space is going to make a huge amount of difference. If we want to have more plants, then how about using a grass verge to separate motor traffic from bike lanes and or pavements? Alternatively, changing parking bays into mini gardens is a quick, easy and cheap way of increasing the greenery (can also be made into a small social area with a bench). It just strikes me as a bit pointless to use the smallest available building to put a green roof onto it.

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MattieKempy | 2 years ago
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But don't councils approve massive reinforced concrete monstrosities to shelter cars from the elements? I mean, had they been secure lock-ups for said cars, then . . .

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wycombewheeler | 2 years ago
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£10,000 per pike park location does sound steep. Better to have more locations, grass roof, lighting and solar panels all seems a bit wasteful.

But not impressed with the comment that they could put in a lot of parking spaces for that money. As all possible land is already in use for parking in most city centres, and creating more spaces far away would be pointless. Not to mention not encouraging increased car use.

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caw35ride replied to wycombewheeler | 2 years ago
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wycombewheeler wrote:

But not impressed with the comment that they could put in a lot of parking spaces for that money. 

It is clear that he meant bicycle parking...

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"You could put a lot of parking bays in for that money. You might have to put a bag over your seat."

The proposed design is crap, I wonder if it has been tested in front of those who sign-off the spending. It'd be quicker, more effective and doubtless cheaper to install Cycle Hoop's Bike Ports.

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eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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That's just a bus stop shelter with a few bike racks, and as for being eco, they aren't really, as the effects of manufacture have to be taken into account, and an un-necessary  aluminium structure is quite energy intensive.  I can't see too many people being persuaded to cycle because when the wind is in the right direction, their saddle doesn't get wet.  It also limits the number and types of bike that can be locked up.

Far better would be more secure cycle rack locations covered by cctv.

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Sriracha | 2 years ago
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But that roof is never going to stop the rain blowing in anyway. It grinds my gears when I see such ineffective design, especially when as a cyclist you are expected to be thankful for it.

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ktache replied to Sriracha | 2 years ago
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If those are perspex screens surrounding it, then it will be less pointless than the roof on my works shelter, because of which I have to use the shoe cover to keep my flite tis dry.

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ktache | 2 years ago
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Shoe covers (10 for a quid, from my hardware shop, which is never cheap, but PPE that hasn't trebled in price) a perfect shape to keep my leather saddles dry when left out. They last a while, but eventually the elastic dies. Less than 2g.

But, as I had previously advised, don't store them under the saddle, very convenient of course, but they rip on the gubbins of the saddle adjusters and they do fall out which is wasteful and littering, and occasionally leaves you without a dry saddle.

The rest of the bike can be soaking wet, but I want to at least start my journey with a dry saddle.

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hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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I'd go for having more bike parks without roofs than just 10 with roofs. If it's raining then I'm going to get wet from road spray etc. so it's rarely important to keep the bike dry (and I wouldn't be locking up my best bike in a public location anyway).

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