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"Same Chris, it’s the darn bike holding me back!": Fans react to Chris Froome’s "equipment" blame-game; Are taxis public transport? Cyclists "disappointed and angry" as Oxford LTN allows taxis; Cycle hangars blocked by parked cars + more on the live blog

Just a little more than a week to the Tour, and just a little under a day to the weekend, Adwitiya will try his best today to execute a perfect leadout for y'all...
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"Same Chris, it’s the darn bike holding me back!": Fans react to Chris Froome’s "equipment" blame-game; Are taxis public transport? Cyclists "disappointed and angry" as Oxford LTN allows taxis; Cycle hangars blocked by parked cars + more on the live blogChris Froome disc brake wheel change screenshot 1 - via Instagram Reels
23 June 2023, 15:14
"Same Chris, it’s the darn bike holding me back!": Fans react to Chris Froome’s "equipment"

Oh no, here we go again. "Washed", "delusional", or "coping mechanism"?

Before you come raging at your poor live blog host, that's not me, just people on the internet using those words for the four-time Tour de France winner.

But as I said earlier in the day, eras do come to an end, and maybe this is it for the legendary rider?

It was all going well until Froome gave an interview to GCN, where he might have let his hubris get the better of him for a split second, and that's given all the ammunition to fans to have cheeky digs at him.

The Israel-Premier Tech rider said: "Physically I was ready, but unfortunately I was unable to show my full ability at the races assigned to me due to equipment issues."

And as soon as these words were uttered into the ether, the age-old can of disc brakes was opened, and out crawled all the memories of several instances of Froome blaming his disc brakes for his not-so-great performances.

It's not like the 38-year-old hasn't been mired with "equipment" controversy before. He has swayed from hating disc brakes, to being all aboard the hype train, and then went back to detesting them, even publicly posting a video of a slow wheel change on Instagram for which he got a lot of flak.

> Fed up Froome denounces disc brake wheels on Instagram Reel

Our mysterious forum contributor, Secret_squirrel true to their name, were the first to move with lightning-fast reflexes: "Oh me first me first!
"Equipment issues".... it was those pesky disc brakes wasnt it Chris?"

squired also didn't pass on the free hit, going so far as to pull a reference from the depths of WWE (or WWF depending on how old you are): "Chris Froome is fast becoming the Ric Flair of cycling - "I've got one more in me"."

SimoninSpalding, who reportedly can't be bothered about LTNs and taxis today, had time for Froome's comments: "I have long been a fan of Chris Froome, but this is getting ridiculous.
"IF the equipment he is being given is genuinely $h!t, but he is the best ride on the squad, then his results would still be better than his teammates and he would be picked. UNLESS he is suggesting he is given inferior equipment to that of his teammates which would be a strange decision in light of his purported salary.
"I am afraid he should have accepted his best days were over the first season back post his crash and retired with some dignity."

> What’s wrong with Chris Froome’s disc brakes?

Sean Dowden wrote on Facebook: "Circling the drain. Blaming equipment on his lack of results. Just retire.", while Richard Docherty was more pitiful: "Sadly a decision out of his hands. Maybe time to bow out and move into coaching and/or team management."

To Froome's misery (chap's got enough already), Twitteratti weren't so kind, going straight for the jugular.

Me? I don't really have much of an opinion about the guy, so I can just sit back and watch people being petty.

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23 June 2023, 08:55
Are taxis public transport? Cyclists "disappointed" and "angry" after Oxford LTN allows taxis in and replaces bollards with cameras
Taxi and Cyclist copyright Simon MacMichael.jpg

Oxford, a safe space for low traffic neighbourhood (LTN) admirers, but also a punching bag for traffic neighbourhood critics.

The Oxfordshire County Council held a meeting yesterday to discuss the Cowley LTN and it was decided that the bollards at Littlemore Road, Littlehay Road, Crescent Road in Cowley will be replaced with automatic number plate registration (ANPR) cameras, and emergency service vehicles, taxis and Royal Mail will be allowed to pass through the LTNs.

As you'd expect, emotions were running high.

"The LTNs were a grubby deal done by [city] Labour with the [county] Tory administration. It’s a disaster from start to finish. I fear for safety of my residents. This council should be charged for manslaughter if anything happens. It is a class war," said a City councillor.

Another speaker said: "We are to be hemmed in with cameras. This city is under siege from its own council, the enemy from within. You do not care that our lives are imploding. We are sacrificial lambs on the altar of your egos. This is the scream of a city."

But amidst all the commotion, active travel experts were left wondering: If it ain't broke, why fix it?

Data released last week showed that air pollution levels across Oxford saw an overall improvement during 2022, with overall NO2 levels down by 8.3 per cent, and a 24 per cent drop when compared to pre-pandemic (2019) levels.

Zahara Plummer from Oxford Livable Streets said: "LTNs have brought about safer streets and cleaner air. We support the use of ANPR cameras for emergency services. But including taxis was not consulted on. People don’t believe that what’s consulted on will be the recommendations put forward."

Cllr Dan Levy, county Active Travel champion said: "There are real benefits to physical barriers: they mark out a safe space for walking, cycling, playing games. I can see the benefit of blue badge holders being allowed access, but not taxis. Taxis will go through in large numbers."

And besides, people were left baffled at the inclusion of taxis among the remitted vehicles, with many cyclists wondering, "Are taxis public transport now?"

At least, Lid Dem Cllr Andrew Grant thinks so...

The decision has not gone down well...

What do you think? Do taxis form an integral part of transport, thus making them indispensable to the overall public transport infrastructure? Or is it going to increase road danger and keep rat running high, while not incentivising people to take up cycling?

23 June 2023, 16:19
BBC dives into cycling helmet debate again... here's what people think about it

If you haven't heard (about) it yet, BBC Radio 4's consumer programme Sliced Bread went to take a deep dive into the cycling helmet debate yesterday, as if we haven't seen enough of it already.

But this time, they decided to have psychologist and road safety researcher Dr Ian Walker on, so maybe there was a chance it would be a bit better?

But apparently not, the Beeb being the Beeb somehow managed to fudge it up, like usual. Here's what road.cc reader Richard Burton thought about it.

I initially heard the bit of Dr Ian Walker, so thought that it was good, but it was the usual deliberately biased BBC approach, with an "expert" explaining how good helmets were at preventing death and injury with no examination of the facts, and although they mentioned CUK, they didn't have anyone from it to comment, and only featured helmet proponents or neutrals like Dr Walker.

But if you'd rather avoid that and listen to something from yours truly, we had the latest episode of the road.cc Podcast release yesterday, and take a guess what's it about...

road.cc Podcast Episode 53

> Podcast: Academic behind ‘cyclists seen as less human’ study: “If you have a safe and normal cycling culture, how could you see people as anything but human?”

Oh would you believe it?! The chance, the coincidence, the fate, the providence!

Ryan got to chat with Mark Limb of Queensland University of Technology, the very reseacher behind the shocking finding that took the world by storm. 

Many of our readers had also shared their own experiences of the humanising or dehumanising effects of different clothing choices. So, the road.cc Podcast got in touch with one of the academics behind the study, Dr Mark Limb, to discuss hi-vis, helmets, and the various perceptions of cyclists on the roads in Australia, the UK, and beyond.

PS. Ryan, Suvi and me also discuss the highs, lows and mids of Netflix's shocking offering that has also taken the world by storm, Tour de France: Unchained.

23 June 2023, 16:10
Rob-beryl? Vandalism hits Greater Manchester’s cycle hire scheme again
TfGM Bee Network bikes (picture via TfGM)

“The Greater Manchester Cycle Hire Scheme has been hugely popular so far, with almost 1million kilometres ridden since its launch, and the majority of people are using the bikes as they should,” he said.

“Unfortunately, a recent spate of vandalism has meant that fewer bikes are available than normal and we would like to apologise to anyone that has recently been unable to access one.

> Vandalism hits Greater Manchester’s cycle hire scheme again

23 June 2023, 14:21
🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🌈Special tartan with UCI rainbow for World Championships

If you're heading out to Scotland for the UCI Worl Championships and you are looking to buy a tartan at the same time, you fall into a very specific set of people, but you're in luck because there might be something special for you.

Scottish Tartan for UCI Worlds

The tartan, which is inspired by the iconic rainbow stripes of the UCI jersey and the blue of the Scottish Saltire flag — has been designed and woven by long established weavers, Lochcarron of Scotland, a founding member of The Scottish Tartans Authority.

UCI President David Lappartient said: “It is a fantastic initiative to produce a tartan to mark the first ever edition of the UCI Cycling World Championships. The tartan will be a lasting reminder of an event that wrote a new chapter of cycling history and a reminder that this inaugural edition took place in Glasgow and across Scotland. Long after the competitions are finished, the 2023 UCI Cycling World Championships will live on in the tartan created in their honour.”

It will also be worn by 2023 UCI Worlds hosts and hostesses at the medal ceremonies.

23 June 2023, 12:14
Ultimate power couple: Tadej Pogačar and Urška Žigart become Slovenian time-trial champions... but Flemish newspaper still refuses to refer Žigart by her name

What's it gotta take?! After coming agonisingly close to win the Tour de Suisse, only to be pipped 75 metres before the finish line for her maiden Tour win, Flemish newspaper Het Nieuwsblad ran a headline, referring to the Slovenian rider Urška Žigart as "Pogačar’s girlfriend".

It led to a lot of backlash, even Pogačar reposting on his Instagram a joke headline referring to him as Žigart's boyfriend (in what I would like to reiterate was a joke first made by Mr Mallon a full day before Canadian Cycling Magazine got to it; yes we take our jokes very seriously at road.cc).

> The best way to deal with a silly headline... Tadej Pogačar edition

And if that wasn't pandering and embarassing enough for the Flemish newspaper, they were at it again yesterday, posting this on Twitter.

They're never going to learn, are they?

23 June 2023, 12:06
"Damn disc brakes!", "freaking SRAM!"... Froome "disappointed" with team selection, says he couldn't show "full ability due to equipment issues"
2023 Cycle Show chris froome

2023 Cycle Show Chris Froome, by Cycle Show

Some quotes from the man himself, after missing out on this year's Tour squad for Israel Premier Tech:

"I’m obviously disappointed with the decision. The Tour de France holds an incredibly special place in my heart.

"Physically I was ready, but unfortunately I was unable to show my full ability at the races assigned to me due to equipment issues.

"I respect the team’s decision and will take some time before refocusing on objectives later in the season and returning to the Tour de France in 2024."

> Chris Froome blames “equipment” after being left for Tour de France, insists he will race in next year’s race

23 June 2023, 11:33
Pogačar raring to go for third Tour title as he remarks injury came at "a perfect time"
2023 Fleche Wallone - Tadej Pogacar (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

2023 Fleche Wallone - Tadej Pogacar (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

If there were any doubts about Pogačar's form going into the Tour de France next week, I think he has well and truly put them to bed with an absolutely dominating performance at the Slovenian time trials yesterday.

He beat the second-placed Marko Pavlič by a whopping 5 minutes and 14 seconds, and even outdid his 2020 time by 27 seconds, setting a time of 29:43 with an average speed of 31.699 km/h for the 15.7km course.

The 2020 and 2021 Tour winner, then told UAE's national news that his scaphoid wrist fracture injury at Liège-Bastogne-Liège in April came at "perfect time".

"Naturally I didn't want it to happen like that, but I was due a long break and I guess the injury just forced me to rest a bit more," he said.

The 24-year-old has enjoyed a barnstorming season so far, already winning two tours: Vuelta a Andalucía and Paris-Nice, before proving his all-round capabilities with monster performances during the spring classics seasons, winning the Tour of Flanders, Amstel Gold and La Flèche Wallonne.

> Incredible Tadej Pogačar wins Tour of Flanders with stunning solo move

Is there anything the Slovenian steamroller can't do? Get a particular Flemish newspaper to call Urška Žigart by her name. More on that shortly...

23 June 2023, 10:43
TdF blues: Another blue kit in the peloton

We've got Cav and company's latest trim for the Tour de France, and it's something I'm seeing a pattern with all these new Tour kits: They are blue.

Okay I am not going to lie, I think the kit is amazing. But, are we going a bit overboard with the blues?

First DSM, Bora, and now Astana. Add Bahrain's and Movistar's blue-tinted kits, and potentially Groupama with a blue-ish kit, it's going to be a sea of riders in the peloton, quite literally.

> Team DSM unveil new name and new very, very, very, very dark blue kit

If I had nothing better to do I would moan about how having similar coloured kits in the peloton is boring and not a good overall watching experience for the viewers, no matter how good they look individually, and it seems that I exactly have nothing better to do other than moaning about a kit on the live blog. Jolly times!

At least Uno-X has a bright red kit! Now, bring on Lidl-Trek!

23 June 2023, 10:16
Edinburgh special! Cyclehoop hangars open only 1/4th the way because... parked cars are blocking the lid

Edinburgh Council is back at it.

We have had drivers blocking cycle lanes, but blocking cycle hangars? That's a new one.

But seriously, imagine you get off your work and go to the hangar to fetch your bike, and then you see this. What would you have done?!

23 June 2023, 09:32
End of an era? Chris Froome left out of Tour de France by Israel Premier Tech
Chris Froome (copyright Zac Williams, SWpics.com)

Chris Froome (copyright Zac Williams, SWpics.com)

Oh my word. I guess that's what eras are, they came to an end.

Once in a generation rider, four-time Tour winner Chris Froome has not been selected by Team Israel Premier Tech for the Grand Tour squad, set to start next Saturday if you weren't aware...

Israel's line-up selection released today morning, and the team wrote it was a "a versatile team aiming for stage wins".

"I believe that each of our eight selected riders has what it takes to be victorious in this race," said the team's Sports Manager.

Besides Froome, South African rider Daryl Impey was also left out of Israel Prem Tech's squad.

It sucks but this might mean that the time's finally running out for the 38-year-old. He's out of contract at the end of the year, and the Brit had earlier revealed he had been struggling with a minor tendon injury at the start of the year, but that the Tour remained "the ultimate goal". 

"It’s the race in which I’ve had my nicest feelings, where all the best riders in the world compete in their best form," he said. "Obviously I’m not going to go to the Tour to fight for the overall, but if I can try to go for a stage win, that would be great."

Besides, the four Tour wins, Froome also won a Giro and two Vueltas, cementing himself as one of the greatest of all time. But since his crash in 2019, he has only finished in the top 10 once, climbing with aplomb at the top of the Alpe d'Huez and finishing third in last year's stage 12 of the Tour. His last stage win came at the 2018 Giro, his last Grand Tour win too.

You are going to be missed Froome, a lot. Who will be the butt of our long-running young-man/old-man jokes, who will we wait for to pile up on disc brakes... what I'd do to watch Cav and Froome have a go at it, one last time at the Tour...

Adwitiya Pal

Adwitiya joined road.cc in 2023 as a news writer after graduating with a masters in journalism from Cardiff University. His dissertation focused on active travel, which soon threw him into the deep end of covering everything related to the two-wheeled tool, and now cycling is as big a part of his life as guitars and football. He has previously covered local and national politics for Voice Wales, and also likes to writes about science, tech and the environment, if he can find the time. Living right next to the Taff trail in the Welsh capital, you can find him trying to tackle the brutal climbs in the valleys.

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eburtthebike | 10 months ago
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BBC R4 "Sliced Bread" cycle helmets edition https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001n21k

This is my email to them:

Hi Greg,
just listened again to your prog about cycle helmets, and it had serious errors and was extremely biased.  The professor from Virginia Tech Labs, Steve Rowson, stated several times that cycle helmets saved lives and that there was overwhelming data to show that, a claim you yourself repeated.  The most reliable data, from whole population, long term studies from Australia, the first place to bring in a helmet law, showed that the risk of death rose after the law was brought in.  The studies showing massive benefits from helmet wearing are small scale, short term and have methodological shortcomings which mean they are not reliable, something mentioned in the article by David Speigelhalter and Ben Goldacre which you mention later.

After Dr Ian Walker was interviewed, Steve Rowson was allowed to criticise his findings, but Steve Rowson's conclusions were taken as being absolutely true, when they are at the very least, questionable.  Steve Rowson was given considerably more time than Dr Walker and his views are no more valid than Dr Walker's.
You mentioned the national cycling organisation, CUK, but interviewed nobody from them, and didn't challenge Steve Rowson when you asked him about their views and he simply ignored them and repeated his mantra about helmets saving lives.
You seem to think that the controversy over helmets started with Dr Walker's 2006 paper on how much closer drivers get if you wear a helmet, but it has been raging for many years before that, basically because of the worst of bad science used to justify laws and promotion.  The claims of helmet promoters have been proved wrong time and time again, e.g. 85% reduction in deaths, but they are still repeated by people who haven't looked at the actual effects of cycle helmets at a population level.

You also mentioned David Speigelhalter and Ben Goldacre's work, without saying what their conclusions were, which is rather odd, or was it because they found that cycle helmets are not effective?

Neither was the question raised of why cycling should be singled out for such an intervention, when it is not particularly productive of head injuries and is safer than many other common activities.  Walking for instance has the same death rate for distance travelled as cycling, and many more car occupants die from head injuries than do cyclists, so it would save more lives if they wore helmets.
The only detectable effects of helmet laws and promotion is a reduction in the number of cyclists, who then lose the gigantic health benefits, and obscene profits for the helmet manufacturers and sellers.

No helmet sceptic was interviewed, only helmet promoters, so the entire programme was grossly biased.
I hope that you will be correcting these errors very soon, or I will be making yet another complaint about the decades long bias of the BBC about cycle helmets.
If you would like to make a rather more factual article about cycle helmets, I'd be happy to contribute.

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saftlad | 10 months ago
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“Taxi numbers are predicted by officers to be low. I don’t accept that taxis always speed; they are professional drivers."

 

Must just be in my town that the standard of driving exhibited by taxi drivers is so low. The only time they're not speeding is when they are waiting at the rank.

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eburtthebike | 10 months ago
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It’s a disaster from start to finish. I fear for safety of my residents. This council should be charged for manslaughter if anything happens. It is a class war," said a City councillor.

Such a shame that we don't know the name of this paranoid councillor, but it isn't clear what he's referring to: is it installing the LTN in the first place, or removing the bollards and putting in ANPR?  I think it's the former, and if so, since LTNs significantly reduce the risk of KSIs, his outburst seems rather misplaced.  But maybe all his constituents are black cab drivers.

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mitsky | 10 months ago
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I'm surprised the issue of bike hangars being blocked by drivers leaving their vehicles too close hasn't been raised before (unless I've missed it).

You'd think their testing would have highlighted it and the designers/planners worked out that they need yellow "DON'T PARK HERE (unless you like scratches on your vehicle..." markings on the road next to them.
If those are eventually painted on the road and someone still parks there (in a non-emergency) then call the tyre extinguishers.

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marmotte27 | 10 months ago
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Entirely missing the point of LTNs, to stop motorized through traffic.

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Mungecrundle replied to marmotte27 | 10 months ago
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Low
Traffic
Neighbourhood

The clue is in the name.

Taxis may not be the most desirable form of public transport, but they are definitely public transport.

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Brauchsel replied to Mungecrundle | 10 months ago
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In what other form of public transport do you pay someone to take you, and only you/people with you, from exactly where you are to exactly where you specify? You might as well call a second-hand car public transport on the grounds someone else was in it before you. 

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Sriracha replied to Mungecrundle | 10 months ago
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No, taxis are just chauffeur car rental per journey. To be public transport the vehicle has to be in public use at the same time, not sequentially.

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Benthic replied to Mungecrundle | 10 months ago
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Incorrect. 

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SimoninSpalding | 10 months ago
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I have long been a fan of Chris Froome, but this is getting ridiculous.

IF the equipment he is being given is genuinely $h!t, but he is the best ride on the squad, then his results would still be better than his teammates and he would be picked. UNLESS he is suggesting he is given inferior equipment to that of his teammates which would be a strange decision in light of his purported salary.

I am afraid he should have accepted his best days were over the first season back post his crash and retired with some dignity.

In case you were wondering I can't be arsed with the LTN/ Taxi crap todayyes

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Steve K | 10 months ago
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Whether or not taxis are public transport seems irrelevant to me. It makes no sense to say "I can't drive through here in a car, but I can pay someone else to drive me through here in a car".

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chrisonabike replied to Steve K | 10 months ago
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Pretty much.  Although it's sensible to make partial exceptions sometimes e.g. "no cars through here but buses are OK" or "between the hours of..."

But yeah - if it's a LTN, the point is "no through route".  As others say - you can still drive to any point you want, just not by every route which looks possible on the map.

There's a UK mindset which says that almost every road has to have two ends.  Don't know why - perhaps it's to stop drivers (in pre-sat-nav days) getting "stuck"?

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Secret_squirrel replied to Steve K | 10 months ago
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How is that any different to "I can't drive through here in a car but I can pay a bus driver to drive me through?"

Taxis have far far higher utilisation than private cars - therefore they have a contribution to make to Low(ering) Traffic in Neighbourhoods.

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TheBillder replied to Secret_squirrel | 10 months ago
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Secret_squirrel wrote:

How is that any different to "I can't drive through here in a car but I can pay a bus driver to drive me through?"

Taxis have far far higher utilisation than private cars - therefore they have a contribution to make to Low(ering) Traffic in Neighbourhoods.

How can this be? If I drive, it's a car transporting me. If I take a taxi, it's a car transporting me and a driver, who has had to drive to pick me up and will have to drive to the next fare. Taxis may spend less time parked (good), but I'm not convinced that they are great news on the congestion front.

A bus takes about the road space of 3 taxis and carries 70+ people when full. Those 3 taxis will take 12. I'd call them Not Very Public transport.

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NickSprink | 10 months ago
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Hi Road cc - I think you may need to check your stats re Pog's TT times:

"setting a time of 29:43 with an average speed of 31.699 km/h for the 15.7km course."

Either that is incorrect, or there is hope for me yet, as I can go faster than that!!!

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quiff replied to NickSprink | 10 months ago
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NickSprink wrote:

Hi Road cc - I think you may need to check your stats re Pog's TT times:

"setting a time of 29:43 with an average speed of 31.699 km/h for the 15.7km course."

Either that is incorrect, or there is hope for me yet, as I can go faster than that!!!

There were 744m of ascent in there too... https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/nc-slovenia-itt/2023/result

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NickSprink replied to quiff | 10 months ago
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ok fair nuff - no hope for me after all

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brooksby | 10 months ago
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Quote:

But seriously, imagine you get off your work and go to the hangar to fetch your bike, and then you see this. What would you have done?!

The bike parking in my office building is in the lower basement, only accessible from the open air car park at the rear of the building.  There's an outward opening/locking metal gate, and then behind that is a locking door which opens inward.

A handful of times I've walked round from the building front door to the car park to go home, only to find that someone has parked their car too close to the gate so I could maybe just about get into the basement but then wouldn't be able to get my bike out without taking it apart...  So I have to walk back round and start asking in the other offices "Who's car is <this>?  Can they move it because I'd quite like to go home now!"

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Oldfatgit | 10 months ago
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Why wouldn't a taxi be public transport?

It's used by the public ... and it's transport.

However, that shouldn't give their drivers carte blanche to rat run LTNs on their way to the next pickup or drop off.

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Brauchsel replied to Oldfatgit | 10 months ago
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Cars, bikes, helicopters etc are used by members and are transport. 

To me, the public/private distinction here is "does the passenger choose the destination?" and "can another member of the public join the journey without the passenger's permission". 

I'm struggling to think of an alternative definition that would count taxis as "public" but (say) a chauffeur-driven car as "private". Just saying "you can hail it in the public street" doesn't seem to do the job: I can buy a coffee on the street, but it's still a privately-owned good if I do. 

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Oldfatgit | 10 months ago
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There is also the definition of "Taxi" and "Private Hire Vehicle". Taxi is the black cabs mostly and have more rules allowed for travel like using Taxi Ranks, Bus Lanes (were noted) and other places. They can be waved down at any time. 

Private Hire Vehicles are just that, a private car that can be hired to drive you from point A to B. They cannot use taxi ranks to wait, cannot use bus lanes and in theory should follow the exact same rules as you and I. The latter has overtaken the former for usage, especially with the likes of Uber and Bolt and I suspect are the ones being mentioned as allowed through these gates. 

I actually find the PVH drivers worse then cabbies for ignoring road signs like No Entry or Turn Left Only as they usually charge fixed prices for pre booked pickup / drop off so want to go as short a distance as possible, both to make more of a profit on the transport and be available as soon as possible for a new fare. 

And also in the last few years, the latter ones seem to be registered no where near where they operate. This is both because the councils decided it was a good money raising ploy to register them, and because drivers believe they are less likely to be reported to their registered council area from outside the council.

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Benthic | 10 months ago
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Public transport is when the vehicle you are tavelling in is shared with other members of the public. Private transport is exclusive use at the time of travel.

Mainstream examples:

- bus: public transport

- train: public transport

- bicycle: private transport

- car ferry: public transport

- private jet: private transport

- scheduled airline: public transport

- taxi: private transport

 

 

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Secret_squirrel replied to Benthic | 10 months ago
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So by your crappy definitions anything with one passenger in it is not public transport.  What a bag of fail!

PS please share the origin of that definition?  Was it from the Dept of Making Sh*t up?

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Patrick9-32 replied to Secret_squirrel | 10 months ago
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I am struggling to come up with an example of a single occpancy public transport option. What ones are you thinking of?

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HalfDanHalfBiscuit replied to Patrick9-32 | 10 months ago
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Bike/scooter hire schemes.

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Patrick9-32 replied to HalfDanHalfBiscuit | 10 months ago
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Privately owned vehicles operated for profit and privately rented. Is Hertz rent a car public transport?

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Backladder replied to Patrick9-32 | 10 months ago
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Busses, trains and car ferries all tend to be privately owned and operated for profit and having thought about it you are right, Hertz are also public transport.

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marmotte27 replied to Backladder | 10 months ago
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"Busses, trains and car ferries all tend to be privately owned and operated for profit"
Only since they were privatised. Which time and and time again has been shown to be a bad idea.

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TheBillder replied to Patrick9-32 | 10 months ago
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Patrick9-32 wrote:

Is Hertz rent a car public transport?

No, but Hertz Van Rental is a little known racing cyclist from the early 20th century.

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perce replied to TheBillder | 10 months ago
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I've got one of his LP's.

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