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Cyclist despairs as Amazon van driver takes cycle lane shortcut before parking on pavement; "Felt like a monkey humping a cricket ball": Richie Porte tries swimming; A magical road for your cycling bucket list; Fake website warning + more on the live blog

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24 November 2022, 10:37
Cyclist despairs as Amazon van driver takes cycle lane shortcut before parking on pavement

Perhaps we need more of these... 

A cyclist in Dublin found their journey along one of the city's cycle lanes blocked by an Amazon delivery driver who'd "have attempted to drive in to the building if the door had been a little wider"...

We'll get in touch with Amazon to see if this sort of behaviour flies with them, but from our first glance we'd say there might be three separate issues here:

1. The conduct of individual road users.

2. The suitability of certain vehicles for making deliveries. Should we wonder why hulking great vans are the vehicle of choice for delivering parcels? I guess you can shove more drop offs in a larger vehicle, but shouldn't it matter how they arrive on our doorsteps?

3. Without making excuses... the Christmas period is nearing and with the explosion of online shopping since lockdown, is there too much pressure on delivery drivers?

Anyway that's enough of my ranting...(feel free to continue it or chip in with your own thoughts in the comments)... is the standard of driving from couriers, in your experience, generally better, worse or similar to other road users?

In the meantime here's some extra reading courtesy of eBikeTips... Amazon aiming for a million e-cargo bike deliveries a year from new London micro-mobility hub. 

24 November 2022, 17:45
The results are in...
Poll result 24/11/22

 

24 November 2022, 16:56
Pollution AND traffic down in surrounding areas to London LTNs, research shows
Crystal Palace LTN (YouTube)

More LTN news as promised...

The BBC has reported research from Imperial College London which shows a reduction in pollution and traffic in three LTNs in Islington and their surrounding boundary roads.

The study found that concentrations of nitrogen dioxide fell by 5.7 per cent within the LTNs and by just under 9 per cent on their boundaries, compared to the control sites.

It also showed that traffic dropped by half within the area covered by the schemes, and by 13 per cent at the boundaries.

A spokesperson for Sustrans said the research shows "the fundamental benefit low-traffic neighbourhoods can have in improving air quality for communities".

"This should be considered alongside the role LTNs play in creating safer spaces for children, increasing footfall for local businesses, and providing an opportunity for people to travel actively instead of being car-dependent," the comment continued.

"However, we must remember that for these schemes to be successful and for everyone, community consultation is essential throughout the planning, delivery and review process. Just as with this research, further evaluation should be a constant, to make sure it continues to work for everyone.

"We should be aiming to replace our car use with walking, wheeling and cycling as a priority, as it is the number of cars on the roads that is the greatest threat to our environment, whilst our overuse of them is unaffordable for our health and wallets."

24 November 2022, 15:55
"Ignore false claims and bad journalism – most LTNs do reduce traffic"
LTN planters

As a few of you have pointed out in the comments and by email the Guardian had the following piece by Boris Johnson's former No.10 transport adviser Andrew Gilligan in today's paper...

> Ignore false claims and bad journalism – most LTNs do reduce traffic

Well worth a read, but a few lines worth highlighting from the off:

"I'm starting to wonder if anyone is ever going to make an honest argument against cycling and walking infrastructure again."

Addressing an article in the Times recently that claimed "councils that implemented LTNs during the pandemic have seen bigger increases in car use than boroughs that did not"... Gilligan responded...again, some highlights...

Oxford LTN (Oxford City Council)

"The article cites no evidence, again perhaps because the evidence says something quite different."

"The article gets one thing right: overall average bus speeds across London have indeed fallen. But here’s what it leaves out. That decline is largely due to huge drops in outer boroughs with no meaningful bike infrastructure at all. Bromley and Havering, for instance, have seen bus speeds fall by up to 6.3% since 2013."

"It is very telling that opponents so often have to mislead to make their case. But that doesn't mean it's not effective. And if left unchallenged, it can enter the political bloodstream.

"So what active travel now needs is a network of people to scrutinise, swiftly unpick and publicly rebut false claims and bad journalism – and to complain to the offenders, who tend to be the same few people. That has been rather effective in reducing propaganda campaigns on other subjects, and making news outlets think twice before publishing slanted stories. How about it, folks?"

More on LTNs in a second...

24 November 2022, 15:37
If the World Cup was pro cycling... (Belgium 1-0 Canada)
Belgium v Canada World Cup as pro cycling (Procyclingstats)

I'm going to level with you, I'm having a tough job finding Portugal vs Ghana, Uruguay vs South Korea or Cameroon vs Switzerland despite Procyclingstats' best help...

24 November 2022, 15:20
Wout van Aert targets a "big fish" in 2023

Like me walking to the chippy, Wout van Aert is after a big fish, turns out me and him are quite similar after all...

Admittedly Wout's doesn't come with mushy peas, chips and gravy... unless they've changed the prizes at Roubaix or Flanders without telling us.

Tour de France 2022 stage 5 Wout van Aert (Pauline_Ballet)

[📷:  ASO/Pauline Ballet]

"Maybe next year I will collect fewer top 10 places, but I will catch that big fish," Van Aert said of his chances in 2023 before stressing a big victory for new arrival and reigning Roubaix champ Dylan van Baarle would matter just as much as one of his own.

2022 Paris-Roubaix Pinarello Dogma F Dylan van Baarle ZacWilliams-SWPix.com - 4.jpeg

[📷: Zac Williams/SWpix.com]

"It's just important that someone from our team wins," he continued. "That may sound a bit corny, but that’s just the way it is. A team can never be too strong and I am really looking forward to racing together with him. I think we are very complementary."

And the team's whole classics line-up spent this week in Flanders plotting the 2023 battleplan...

 
24 November 2022, 15:11
Nearly more swimming content...

Just don't take Richie Porte's advice, road.cc Simon...

24 November 2022, 14:38
Is putting your bike upside down a crime? (POLL)

Liam and Jamie have a few people rattled because of this still from their real-world wheel test...

> Are expensive carbon road bike wheels worth the money?

Thankfully someone's written a piece on this for us before (check the author for a plot twist)...

> Is putting your bike upside down wrong? 

At the time that was written 67 per cent of you said there's nothing wrong with it, but people clearly change their mind on things as time passes... so it's time for another poll!

Create a Poll

24 November 2022, 12:56
Hundreds pay respects to Brian Robinson

Full story: "Without Brian Robinson, there's no Bradley Wiggins or Mark Cavendish": Hundreds pay their respects at funeral of pioneering British cyclist 

24 November 2022, 12:31
"Felt like a monkey humping a cricket ball": Richie Porte tries swimming

This is up there with Elisa Longho Borghini's exasperated "after that, I don't know what there is. Probably only death" having seen Mathieu van der Poel eating spaghetti with ketchup in my hierarchy of pro cyclist quotes...

 

Richie Porte has tried swimming to attack the post-retirement dad bod... from the description I'm not sure it went very well...

"Felt like a monkey humping a cricket ball"

Cheers for that image, Richie...

24 November 2022, 09:28
DMR warns of fraudulent website using its logo
24 November 2022, 09:04
Another magical road for your cycling bucket list

As if we needed another excuse to go ride our bikes in France...

Well, now we have one. Introducing the Grotte du Mas d'Azil in the Ariège in France. The cave carved by the Arize River has a road through it and has even hosted the Tour de France...

The nearest city is Toulouse and it's around 30km west of Foix...

Grotte du Mas d'Azil (Google Maps)

As a rule for research if a road has a profile on the Dangerous Roads website, it's usually going to be fairly interesting, with a few hairpins or novelty features. The site doesn't seem to take into account the main danger of cycling on roads... I'll let you work that one out... so anywhere deemed too dangerous for many to drive may well even end up safer.

Anyway, tangent over, this one doesn't seem too bad by Dangerous Roads' usual fare of South American dirt track mountain passes, and is instead just 420m long with a decent surface, lighting throughout and a 30km/h speed limit. Apparently it's also the only cave in Europe that can be crossed by car, we assume there's at least a couple more that can be done by bike...

Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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Hirsute replied to lesterama | 1 year ago
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This one from yesterday is the best reply I have seen

stomec wrote:

Hi Rakia, rather than trying to get attention on cycling forums, you may find some of the following groups helpful:

https://mensgroup.com/community

http://menupnorth.co.uk/

https://www.directionsformen.org.uk/

 

There are often more local groups too.  I'm sure you would be able to find a sympathetic person to sit down with and talk to for a while; developing genuine personal relationships will be much better in the long term for your mental health, rather than trolling on the internet for the short term feeling that someone, anyone has at least acknowledged your existence.

I appreciate that reaching out like this will feel like a big challenge but I am sure it will be worth your while.

Best wishes

 

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The Accountant replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 1 year ago
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I'm not missing the point. The article is alleging that people are repackaging old, politically incorrect, opinions and reframing them in more palatable ways.

I'm saying the same is true of LTN advocates. They are motivated by gentrification: a hatred of working class people who simply want to get about their business in an efficient manner. Instead of admitting it, they dress their arguments up in terms of "liveable cities", "social justice" and "equality", despite the fact that LTNs produce more unequal outcomes.

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IanMSpencer replied to The Accountant | 1 year ago
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You missed the point of my TLA - fuck off Nigel.

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to The Accountant | 1 year ago
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Today, I learned, from a self-elected representative of the working class, that making streets safer and improving air quality is "gentrification". That must be the Oxford English Dictionary (Rakia Edition) again eh.

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chrisonabike replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 1 year ago
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More and more I'm thinking some of these accounts are attempting some subtle satire / parody.  Although that might be by accident.

Who knows any more - post-Putin's disinformation strategy, post-Trump (maybe...), post-Johnson - so much disdain for the idea of "truth" that possibly satire and parody have themselves become meaningless.

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Rendel Harris replied to The Accountant | 1 year ago
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Rakia wrote:

 They are motivated by gentrification: a hatred of working class people who simply want to get about their business in an efficient manner. Instead of admitting it, they dress their arguments up in terms of "liveable cities", "social justice" and "equality", despite the fact that LTNs produce more unequal outcomes.

Which is why in London you are 2.7 times more likely to live in an LTN if you are in the poorest 25% of the population than if you are in the 25% richest. I suppose you could call that an unequal outcome...

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The Accountant replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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I find it sad that you are trying to make capital out of this false trope that LTNs help poorer people.

Rosamund Adoo-Kissi-Debrah knows the cynical truth about LTNs and their designs to push traffic to poorer areas on main roads. They contributed to the death of her daughter. I suggest you spend a few minutes listening to her speaking to the popular and astute radio presenter Nick Ferrari on LBC last week: https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/appalling-councils-f...

She is writing to the ever-useless mayor of London Sadiq Khan for an explanation on the rollout of his latest ulez money-making scheme... I won't hold my breath waiting for a response

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brooksby replied to The Accountant | 1 year ago
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Nigel wrote:

Rosamund Adoo-Kissi-Debrah knows the cynical truth about LTNs and their designs to push traffic to poorer areas on main roads.

I'm pretty sure the point was that they lived next to a main road: the South Circular - one of the ones actually designed to be a major traffic route, which is going to be busy regardless of any LTN or other form of modal filter which is practically designed to be hostile to anyone not in a car, 

(Aside from that, her daughter died in 2013.  When were all these LTNs set up, again?)

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ChrisB200SX replied to The Accountant | 1 year ago
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Rakia wrote:

People used to say things like “I don't want working class people driving and parking in my middle class neighbourhood”, or “why should motorists get to work faster than me walking?"

*citation needed

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essexian replied to The Accountant | 1 year ago
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Rakia wrote:

Joke piece in comedy newspaper.

Second most trusted newspaper in the UK: https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/times-telegraph-trust/

But then again, don't let facts get in the way eh. 

 

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xcleigh1247 replied to The Accountant | 1 year ago
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Speaking of Tiny minds and intelligent people? The sheer irony coming from you!

I'll be up in London  next week having cancelled my trip to Paris and am looking forward to having a cycle around some LTN's, you should do the same. Maybe C U Next Tuesday?! 
 

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chrisonabike replied to IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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Sounds like you also need a link to another Guardian article already:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2022/mar/03/anti-cycli...

Although this bit doesn't fit:

Grauniad wrote:

He was shocked to discover that many of those making hateful comments use their real names. “You click on their profile picture, and it’s their normal account; there’s no hiding involved,” he says.

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The Accountant replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Yep, anyone threatening or encouraging violence should be taken to task.

Of course, there are two sides to that one-sided comedy story aren't there? Militant cyclists as well as motorists threaten people with opposing viewpoints with violence.

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Rendel Harris replied to The Accountant | 1 year ago
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Rakia wrote:

Yep, anyone threatening or encouraging violence should be taken to task.

Do you mean like somebody saying that a teenage female climate activist should be beaten on the bottom? Or perhaps somebody saying that they hoped a professional boxer who was filmed breaking the law would punch the person filming them? Or maybe somebody who, seeing a man go off on a psychopathic rant with physical threats against a couple, remarks, "LOL that was entertaining!" Just a few examples of what you've said in the past.

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The Accountant replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Nope, I don't mean encouraging children to learn discipline, or empowering black sports people to take a stand against racism, or making a tongue in cheek comment about a "handbags at dawn" confrontation.

I mean people who actively encourage violence against others, whether that is motorists posting that they hope cyclists get run over on Twitter, or cyclists inviting others to shoot journalists with an opposing viewpoint.

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Rendel Harris replied to The Accountant | 1 year ago
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Nigel Garrage wrote:

Nope, I don't mean encouraging children to learn discipline, or empowering black sports people to take a stand against racism, or making a tongue in cheek comment about a "handbags at dawn" confrontation.

Leaving aside the rank hypocrisy and disingenuous nature of your comments (filming Chris Eubank breaking the law is not actually racism and if it had been a different black person, e.g. Diane Abbott, and somebody had claimed it was racism you would be the first to ridicule that claim), I notice you do not deny that you made those comments, comments that were made under usernames of people that were banned from this site for, amongst other things, racism. 

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Wingguy replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Isn't it finally time to leave Nigel 'Blackface' Garage alone and let him wind himself out into a void of silence and indifference?

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