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Children shouldn't be allowed to cycle on road without an adult, says 'Mr Loophole'; Jumbo-Visma publish statement on Tour of Poland; Thug who pushed cyclist off bike didn't pay compensation; Spanish cyclist has ban reinstated + more on the live blog

It's Friday! Jack Sexty is here to provide your lead live blog coverage today with other members of the team chipping in intermittently.....
07 August 2020, 15:47
"Dylan broke a sports rule and that’s unacceptable": Jumbo-Visma publish statement on Tour of Poland crash

The team said they are "shocked by the consequences of the crash", and that Dylan Groenewegen "acknowledges that he made an incorrect move". Points 5 to 8 of the statement say: 

"Team Jumbo-Visma stands for fair sportsmanship, within the rules. With his move Dylan broke a sports rule and that’s unacceptable.

"We have decided that Dylan will not start in a race until the judgment of the disciplinary committee to which the UCI has handed over the incident.

"We will support Dylan and his family as a team to come through this (mentally) tough times for them. Some of the ways they are approached are reprehensible.

"For now, the health and recovery of Fabio prevails. Our thoughts go out to Fabio Jakobsen and the other people involved in the terrible crash in the Tour of Poland."

Jakobsen is now out of an induced coma, and Deceuninck-QuickStep are still deciding whether to take legal action against Groenewegen - full story here

07 August 2020, 15:34
Covid-19 testing in Utrecht: bicycles welcome, of course

With UK driver-through test centres only accepting those with cars, perhaps it's time we took some inspiration from the Dutch once more. 

07 August 2020, 13:55
Fabio Jakobsen is out of induced coma, confirms hospital

Some excellent news, as the Dutchman has been taken out of an induced coma for the first time in two days. 

A statement from St. Barbara Hospital in Sosnowiec said: "The patient is conscious, complies with the instructions and he is disconnected from the ventilator. 

"We are pleased with his health today. The cyclist may leave the hospital in two weeks." 

07 August 2020, 14:15
Camden Brewery offering free beer to cyclists

Well a single bottle of Ginger Radler actually, but it's free so hey ho. Thirsty London cyclists can claim the freebie at the Brewery's pop-up beer garden in Camden today and over the weekend. 

07 August 2020, 13:18
Cycling 'debates' on national television: some reflection

Here at road.cc, some readers question why we give any airtime to certain people whose views could have a negative and/or dangerous influence on their audience; however we believe such views need to be challenged, and hopefully some sensible discussions can be had off the back of it that could lead to positive changes. Moving swiftly on... 

07 August 2020, 15:22
Also mustn't “enter or loiter near any bicycle storage area or cycle rack anywhere within England and Wales”
07 August 2020, 13:28
Fabio Jakobsen crash: cycling needs to take a "hard look" at itself, says Brian Cookson
Brian Cookson at 2013 Junior World Track Championships (credit Brian Cookson Images, Flickr)

The former UCI President says that downhill finishes should be banned, following the horror crash on stage 1 of the Tour of Poland which left 23-year-old Jakobsen fighting for his life

Cookson told Sky News: "Everyone concerned has got to take a hard look at themselves. 

"From the UCI, to the riders, to the race organisers. I'm as terrified as anyone else watching that crash, it was really horrendous."

07 August 2020, 12:41
'Mr Loophole' continued: controversial lawyer says children shouldn't be allowed to cycle on the road without adults who have passed a proficiency test
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When asked about privacy issues regarding the identification of people on bikes - as opposed to the identification of vehicles rather than motorists when it comes to cars - Freeman claimed that there needs to be a debate over "the age young children are in fact safe to ride on the roads." 

He continued: "I think below a certain age they would have to be accompanied by a responsible adult who has passed a proficiency test."

A spokesperson for Cycling UK told road.cc: "What a cruel world that would be if kids could only ride with adults! Yet again we see the real risk ignored, which is the danger motor traffic can present." 

Freeman agreed that motorists are "the greatest risk" on the roads, but insisted they are accountable: "If a motorist commits an offence and goes through, for example, a red light, the registered keeper receives a section 172 notice. If he doesn't comply with that he'll be prosecuted for failing to give the information, he'll in fact receive 6 penalty points or disqualification upon conviction. His insurance premiums will rocket.

"I don't object to a similar system for cyclists, but I think it would just logistically work more sensibly if we identified the cyclists rather than the bike."

We're not sure if Mr Freeman has tried to report a motorist running a red light to the authorities recently, but we'd hazard a guess that it probably won't result in six penalty points for the driver based on your testimony alone...

07 August 2020, 12:15
Spanish cyclist Ibai Salas has doping ban reinstated after appeal from World Anti Doping Agency
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Salas - who rode for Burgos BH until 2018 - had his original four-year ban for biological passport abnormalities overturned by the Administrative Court of Sport in Spain back in February 2019. WADA then filed an appeal to the Court of Arbitration for Sport, with the CAS concluded that Salas did commit an anti-doping rule violation, , concluding that his biological passport levels were highly abnormal and "indicated a high probability of doping". They also found that Salas "did not provide any credible, physiological or pathological reason or condition to explain the abnormality in the ABP values." 

His ban was backdated from the time of the original offence, meaning Salas will be allowed to complete again in 2021. 

07 August 2020, 10:39
It's Milan–San Remo tomorrow

Originally scheduled for 21st March, the monument will finally go ahead tomorrow with Julian Alaphilippe aiming to defend his title. Historically Milan–San Remo has always been hard to predict, with the long distances and variable terrain meaning the winner is just as likely to come from a solo attack as a bunch sprint; this year's mammoth 299km course taking in the Poggio and the Cipressa is perhaps more unpredictable than ever, with wholesale changes made to the route just days ago due to disagreements with mayors in a number of coastal towns. It means the race is now taking place along a 'plan B' route, staying mostly inland before the final 40km of racing

Live coverage will be broadcast on Eurosport from 2.50pm tomorrow. 

07 August 2020, 10:25
Nick Freeman on Good Morning Britain: Twitter poll currently shows over 70% want penalty points for cyclists

Which would mean - as outlined by Duncan Dollimore in the clip below - the registering and insuring of millions of bikes and cyclists in an operation that would likely cost billions with little in return. Some of the comments such as Mr Boulting's and numerous others appear to be dead against the idea, despite the depressing poll stats. 

07 August 2020, 08:53
Nick Freeman, aka 'Mr Loophole', appears on Good Morning Britain repeating calls for cyclists to be insured, and wear a "registered tabard"

Freeman called for the 1988 Road Traffic Act to be updated to include cyclists, and that cyclists must be "held accountable"; this is despite Freeman specialising in helping celebrities avoid motoring convictions, counting Jeremy Clarkson and David Beckham amongst his former clients. He said: "I welcome the increase in cyclists, I think it's fantastic and Boris Johnson is on the right track. But we do now need to regulate, if there are 8 million (cyclists) on our roads."

Duncan Dollimore of Cycling UK tried to explain the complications and costs involved in registering millions of bicycles in the UK to Mr Freeman, saying: "The reality is that 99.3% of pedestrians who die on our roads are involved in a collision with a motor vehicle. We have a situation where 41 cyclists died last year in a collision with drivers. No driver or car passenger was involved in a death in those and haven't been in recent years. 

"The reality is that statistically cyclists don't present that risk, so we don't regulate them the same way that we regulate drivers. If we chose to regulate them (cyclists) we'd have to regulate people owning 25 million bikes in the UK, including 7 million children who ride bikes regularly." 

Freeman then pulls out his "registered tabard" idea that he has floated numerous times in the past, saying: "I'm suggesting that all cyclists should be registered, there should be a registered tabard, identifiable with that particular person so that we know at any one time who is on a cycle." 

07 August 2020, 08:18
Thug who pushed cyclist off his bike in "unprovoked attack" receives conditional discharge after failing to pay £50 compensation to victim
Magistrates court coat of arms (CC BY 2.0 licensed by Elliot Brown:Flickr)

When he first appeared in court last year, 21-year-old Joshua Lewis was handed a conditional caution, and told he would face no further punishment if he wrote a letter of apology to the victim and paid £50 compensation; but although Lewis wrote the letter in custody, he never paid the fine. Lewis' solicitor said that he was unable to pay the £50, commenting: “It says on the conditional caution that it was means tested but it was not.

“He was on benefits and that total amount was £340 a month which had to pay for his accommodation. He didn’t have enough money for bills let alone £50 compensation.” 

The Sentinel reports that Lewis pushed the victim off his bike "for no reason", claiming he was drunk at the time.

The court heard that Lewis is now working for FedEx. He has admitted assault, with magistrates handing him a 12 month conditional discharge, and ordering him to pay £135 costs, £50 compensation and a £21 victim surcharge. 

07 August 2020, 07:55
Police appeal for witnesses over mystery surrounding death of 24-year-old cyclist in Greenwich Park
Met Police

Following the death of a 24-year-old cyclist in the south-east London park back in June, the Met Police have put out a new appeal for witnesses. 

Police were called just after 6pm on Sunday 28th June after reports of a collision in The Avenue, Greenwich Park. The cyclist was taken to hospital but died from his injuries on 16th July, and police are still trying to "establish the circumstances surrounding the collision and how the man came to be injured."

PC Tony Butler commented: "A significant number of people would have been in the park at the time of the collision.

"I'm aware some time has passed since the date of the incident but I'm hoping somebody will be able to help with our investigation."

Anyone for information is asked to call 101 quoting CAD 6309/28JUN.

Arriving at road.cc in 2017 via 220 Triathlon Magazine, Jack dipped his toe in most jobs on the site and over at eBikeTips before being named the new editor of road.cc in 2020, much to his surprise. His cycling life began during his students days, when he cobbled together a few hundred quid off the back of a hard winter selling hats (long story) and bought his first road bike - a Trek 1.1 that was quickly relegated to winter steed, before it was sadly pinched a few years later. Creatively replacing it with a Trek 1.2, Jack mostly rides this bike around local cycle paths nowadays, but when he wants to get the racer out and be competitive his preferred events are time trials, sportives, triathlons and pogo sticking - the latter being another long story.  

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Bungle_52 | 3 years ago
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Maybe he should have said motorists should be even more careful than they should normally be when close to children on bikes.

How on earth can we get everybody cycling if kids aren't allowed out. I remember cycling when I was a youngster with very few problems. This was back in the late 50's though when traffic was at lock down levels and drivers seemed to appreciate how lucky they were to be able to move on the roads without a great deal of physical effort. It was also pre "greed is good" when most people seemed to have a social conscience and not merely care about themselves.

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ktache | 3 years ago
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So I am currently watching Raleigh's "How a bicycle is Made" on the weird channel Talking Pictures, it was fascinating.  From 1945, so I am assuming just after the war to promote sales and exports.

Here it is on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_cdePe0bDQ

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP | 3 years ago
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It's depressing that every time any initiative is taken to improve facilities for people on cycles (infrastructure, Bike to Work Schemes etc`) it has to be accompanied by a blitz of ignorance, bile and hate in the media. 

When a new pavement, zebra crossing, toucan crossing is built (all the time remember) there isn't endless, hateful debate about pedestrians who cross on the 'red man', don't look before crossing, always on their mobile phones, don't pay 'tax' for all their infrastructure. 

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Hirsute | 3 years ago
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"Also they should pay a road tax, that’ll pay for these cycle lanes and cost of road repairs, 70% of damage on roads is in the 1m closest to the curb" - Paul Couldwell

Nurse, nurse !

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Simon E replied to Hirsute | 3 years ago
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hirsute wrote:

"Also they should pay a road tax, that’ll pay for these cycle lanes and cost of road repairs, 70% of damage on roads is in the 1m closest to the curb" - Paul Couldwell

Nurse, nurse !

A recent poll of members by BC showed that 91% of members own at least one car. So they pay VED, car insurance etc. But 1,200,000 people drive around without insurance and I believe there are 800,000 vehicles without VED.

The worst bit is that these thick shits are so impervious to facts or any kind of reason or logic. It is classic out-grouping, which is result of lies being published, widely promoted and repeated daily by our mainstream media.

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Hirsute replied to Simon E | 3 years ago
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That one was so thick that even when it was explained to him where the axle weight of buses, lorries, vans is on a road and where the rain run offs are, he still would not change his assertion.

 

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP replied to Simon E | 3 years ago
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'The worst bit is that these thick shits are so impervious to facts or any kind of reason or logic. It is classic out-grouping, which is result of lies being published, widely promoted and repeated daily by our mainstream media'

Reminds me of something from the recent past. 

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Hirsute | 3 years ago
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"yes they should, and have a number plate, yearly mot and fully comp insurance" - sussex builders

Let's hope sussex builders are a bit better at understanding building regs than simple things like insurance.

 

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OldRidgeback | 3 years ago
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I've a better idea. How about Mr Loophole not being allowed out in public without one of his grandparents monitoring his behaviour?

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BadgerBeaver | 3 years ago
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OK, so should pedestrians be insured and have to wear tabards? What about those vulnerable pedestrians who have the gall to not wear helmets and are pushed about in prams? Put tabards on them and make them get insurance so I can claim off them when I run them over FFS

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Rick_Rude | 3 years ago
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Mr loophole needs to change the record. He's happy to basically let people pay him to break the law but somehow cycling is dangerous?

People like Beckham need a kick in the plums as well for not taking it on the chin like everyone else does. Not like they can't afford 6 months of uber or couldn't do a track day if they wanted to go speeding.

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Shake | 3 years ago
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Of course you are accountable, in the same way that if I went and punched an old lady in the face I would be accountable for my actions. What he means is easily identifiable and prosecutable. Then it's fine because you employ Mr loophole to say that it was your mate Bob using your jacket that had my tabard on while wheeling down a one way street

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PRSboy | 3 years ago
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The Joshua Lewis case, who pushed a cyclist off his bike for no reason.  Delighted to hear he's working for DHL, please tell me hes not a delivery driver.

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Notbuilt2climb | 3 years ago
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Great news about Fabio Jakobsen!  Get well soon and get back on that bike!

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hawkinspeter | 3 years ago
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"the age young children are in fact safe to ride on the roads."

Personally I've never felt threatened by children on the roads, so I'd say any age that they can balance or younger if on a trike or with stabilisers.

Or did he mean that the children have to be old enough so that dangerous drivers don't feel so guilty about terrorising them?

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Notbuilt2climb replied to hawkinspeter | 3 years ago
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Freeman is completely avoiding the real issue as it will affect the income that supports his chosen lifestyle.  Can we please stop giving this cockwomble the airtime he craves!

Absolutely no problem with young kids cycling and I doubt any responsible parent would consider letting a 5 year old cycle unattended on a busy road anyway.  But let's forget about the 17 year olds driving large, high powered vehicles immediately after they have passed their driving test, with little or no real road experience.

 

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brooksby | 3 years ago
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 "If a motorist commits an offence and goes through, for example, a red light, the registered keeper receives a section 172 notice. If he doesn't comply with that he'll be prosecuted for failing to give the information, he'll in fact receive 6 penalty points or disqualification upon conviction. His insurance premiums will rocket.

Unless you call The Loophole Lawyer on 555-1234 TODAY!

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mdavidford | 3 years ago
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It's Milan–San Remo tomorrow

Don't you mean 'It's #MilanSanRemoDay!'?

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Awavey | 3 years ago
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Im surprised Cycling UK just dont "no platform" any debate involving Mr Loophole, Im not necessarily a fan of cancel culture on the whole, but I dont see why anyone who is representing cycling should feel they have to deal with him and in some way legitimise the nonsense he comes out with just by appearing alongside him and having to debate it. I know several organisations who refuse to engage with GMB interviews like this precisely because GMB arent interested in the topic or promoting balanced debates, its all about shouty rant shock DJ tactics to boost their flagging viewing figures.

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brooksby | 3 years ago
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 "I'm suggesting that all cyclists should be registered, there should be a registered tabard, identifiable with that particular person so that we know at any one time who is on a cycle." 

But that doesn't even work with motor vehicles.  Look at the number of times nothing has proceeded because it couldn't be proven who was driving a motor vehicle at the time of a particular incident...

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David9694 | 3 years ago
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the normalisation of the car in society risks bringing on all the paraphanlia associated with owning and driving one. 

is there a media silly season 2020?

GMB now need to follow up this wretched piece with a piece on all the factors shown in the Dave Walker cartoon. 

 

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PRSboy | 3 years ago
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Anyone who makes a living out of defending people on technicalities who've demonstrably been caught breaking a safety-related law has no place lecturing on safety.

A quick straw poll - has anyone here been worried by cyclists speeding through their village/street?

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Mungecrundle replied to PRSboy | 3 years ago
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Just once in 50 plus years. Cambridge, about 3 years ago, stolen (broken lock in evidence) hire bike, crowded pedestrianised street, being ridden furiously by someone who, shall we say, appeared to be dressed like a lowlife scroat with matching can of lager in tattoo encrusted hand. Indeed just the sort of person likely to jump at the opportunity to demonstrate their law abiding ways and comply with wearing a personalised tabard.

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OnYerBike replied to PRSboy | 3 years ago
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I've seen some anti-social cycling, but nothing where I would be seriously worried about safety.

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David9694 replied to PRSboy | 3 years ago
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No, never.  
I seriously wonder where these oft repeated accounts arise from. 

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to PRSboy | 3 years ago
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Your first line here is the key point. 

Before he is allowed to start his spiel in any interview on his absurd bike views, any interviewer should read out him getting drivers doing 60mph in 40mph and 87 in a 50 and the others. They should then read out the stats on accidents and deaths caused by speeding. They should then ask him to explain why he feels that it is so important to get these people off on techicalities (I know it is his job and highly paid but he should be forced to say it). Finally, he should be asked why he should be allowed to call for these changhes for bikes when his main job is to try to get someone let off so they are not punished for breaking the laws and allowing those people to believe they can drive how they like as there are people like Freeman who will ensure they will not get punished unless they kill or seriously maim them. Then he can state his case in trying to remove the "protection" from the law he believes cyclists have when his whole life is built around giving it to drivers who have broken it. 

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mdavidford | 3 years ago
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What does that poll question even mean? Penalty points on what? For what? Just for cycling?

Personally, I'd be quite happy with offending cyclists getting penalty points... on their driving license, if they have one. If someone rides their bike in an antisocial manner, it's quite likely that they'll drive their car in an antisocial manner as well, and I'd rather keep them out of the car and on the bike where they can do less damage.

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Carior replied to mdavidford | 3 years ago
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mdavidford wrote:

What does that poll question even mean? Penalty points on what? For what? Just for cycling?

Personally, I'd be quite happy with offending cyclists getting penalty points... on their driving license, if they have one. If someone rides their bike in an antisocial manner, it's quite likely that they'll drive their car in an antisocial manner as well, and I'd rather keep them out of the car and on the bike where they can do less damage.

My understanding was always that you could. At least when at Uni when everyone effectively cycled there were always red light stings at one junction and admittedly hearsay but had always heard people with driving licenses got points!

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Hirsute replied to Carior | 3 years ago
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Was this in Australia, as you don't get points on your licence in the uk for cycling offences. You can't speed on a cycle either except in royal parks (and possibly bournemouth promenade).

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Awavey replied to Hirsute | 3 years ago
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but if you failed a breath test,and presumably a recreational drug test too now, whilst cycling I believe it would impact your driving licence, and you can certainly rack up points whilst not having a driving licence though admittedly those tend to be for driving offences specifically.

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