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"The must get in front is just irresistible": Cyclist overtaken by driver who gets to sit in traffic two seconds sooner; He's back... Tadej Pogačar returns to Strava with 30km/h mountain epic; Dan Walker talks about "hairy" crash + more on the live blog

There's another Dauphiné stage and so much more from the world of cycling for Dan Alexander to get his teeth into this Wednesday...
07 June 2023, 09:08
"The must get in front is just irresistible": Cyclist overtaken by driver who gets to sit in traffic two seconds sooner

A classic of the genre...

Having seen the footage, CyclingMikey said the phrase that comes to mind is that the driver would struggle to organise an alcohol-based festivity in a brewery. Another viewer suggested they "can't resist the quick glance in, the look of utter contempt, and then the shake of the head as I cycle on" when this inevitability of cycling on British roads unfolds to them.

Admittedly not often as dangerous as a high-speed close pass or 'sorry mate I didn't see you', the must get in front (MGIF) is a more confusing experience and will leave you questioning: 'why?' Whether it is to get ahead at a junction, with a red light looming or, in this case, simply to sit in traffic two seconds sooner.

Anyone got any theories? What is it about a person riding a bicycle from A to B that requires a select few to feel the need to always get in front no matter what's ten metres ahead?

07 June 2023, 16:25
British Cycling partner's adverts banned over misleading clean energy claims
Shell advert

Oil and gas giant Shell, made relevant for this cycling live blog's purposes by being British Cycling's partner, has seen some of its adverts banned for misleading claims about how clean its overall energy production is, the BBC reports.

The ban applies to a YouTube advert and a poster displayed in Bristol, which the Advertising Standards Authority ruled left out information of Shell's polluting work with fossil fuels.

Shell says it "strongly" disagrees, but the ads cannot be used again. ASA ruled the YouTube ad wrongly gives the impression that low-carbon energy products make up a significant proportion of Shell's energy products.

The selection of ads were likely to mislead consumers as they "misrepresented the contribution that lower-carbon initiatives played, or would play in the near future" compared with the rest of the company's operations.

07 June 2023, 15:11
Injured cyclist calls for drivers to pay attention after motorist hit her from behind, throwing her into ditch – but escaped police action
07 June 2023, 14:58
Mikkel Bjerg wins Critérium du Dauphiné time trial, takes race lead (compatriot Jonas Vingegaard looms large)

Well that turned into a brutal time trial in the French heat. A power climb off the start ramp, followed by a sapping, seemingly never-ending uphill drag to the finish. More than a few went off too hard and found their legs turning to mush, faces contorted with pain by the end.

Your winner... 

Quite ridiculous speeds considering the climbing involved. Bjerg takes the lead of the race from Christophe Laporte, Jumbo-Visma letting UAE Team Emirates take control of proceedings ahead of this weekend's climbing.

Jonas Vingegaard will be even more so now the heavy favourite to win the pre-Tour tune-up after that. He's just 12 seconds behind his compatriot, but 29 seconds clear of the next GC rider. Fred Wright's fourth place on the stage means he moves up to third on GC ahead of tomorrow's lumpy day to Salins-les-Bains.

07 June 2023, 14:32
Geraint Thomas headlines National Road Championships startlist
2023 SunGod Geraint Thomas Signature Series sunglasses - 1 (1)

British Cycling has announced some of the riders heading to Redcar and Cleveland at the end of the month for the British National Road Champs, where the wearer of the bands will be decided for the next 12 months.

Geraint Thomas, Ben Swift, Pfeiffer Georgi, Fred Wright and Elinor Barker, along with returning 2022 national champions Alice Towers, Sam Watson, Matt Bostock, Josie Nelson and Leo Hayter will all be present as the road race, time trial and circuit race titles are all up for grabs between Wednesday 21 June and Sunday 25 June.

"I'm really thrilled to be back and racing at Nationals, which will be the first time for me in the road race, at least, in about 10 years," G said. "It looks like a tough course that will make it a very hard race. It's going to be great to be back out and racing after recently completing the Giro d'Italia – I can't wait to get out there!"

07 June 2023, 13:52
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07 June 2023, 13:21
2x or not to 2x?

Plenty of your thoughts on the 1x question...

Should you run a 1x set-up on a road bike? June 2023

> Should you run a 1x set-up on your road bike?

For the layman: ditching your front mech and using just a single front chainring partnered with a wider spread of gears at the back.

I've seen at least five of you expressing your disgust at the idea with one, single 'no'. Efficient commenting. HoldingOn's being tempted by the fact it's one less thing to clean is very relatable. I have to admit considering it during one particularly infuriating front derailleur saga, but have been put off by the amount of time I spend at both ends of my gear ratio. Not sure I could bring myself to give up one or the other.

mrmusette: "Loved the look, concept and simplicity of 1x so built a road bike around it for London's flat geography. After a year or so I am going back to 2x mechanical.

Live blog comment 1x set-up (Mrmusette)

"The range of gears, better chainline and the ability to use a front mech to nudge the chain back on without getting off the bike if it ever does drop (not that it did with a narrow-wide chainring and a clutched rear mech) all completely outweigh the pros of 1x for road. Try it if you really need to scratch the itch, otherwise, don't bother."

Off the back: "The thing that puts me off a single front ring setup is I ride such a varied type of terrain. I could be on a very flat ride one day but the next ill decide to go up some hills. My bike has a 52/36 and a 11-28 ratios. I can get up most things on that and still have a decent range on the flat. 

"A pro racer knows exactly what they are riding  that day, they know the gears they need to be in in most cases so can make that decision. Oh and they have a mech to do it all for them."

Matthew Acton-Varian: "I think 1x makes sense if you are a commuter, or riding really flat terrain. Otherwise the jumps between gears are just too big to get an ideal cadence."

Our Twitter followers are, in general, more positive about 1x, another reader saying: "Been commuting on mine for 5/6 years. It's practical and simple, but if I know I'm going to do a much longer commute + climbs, I'll take another bike with a wider range of gears. Each to their own on this one."

Well, some of them are more positive...

07 June 2023, 11:15
Fancy winning a Giro d'Italia-ridden Cannondale SuperSix Evo?

EF Education-EasyPost have teamed up with Los Angeles Bike Academy to raffle off Jonathan Caicedo's Cannondale SuperSix Evo from the 2021 Giro d'Italia... of course including the customary EF switch-out paint job from the race...

Jonathan Caicedo SuperSix (Cannondale)

Tickets are $25 a pop, although even at that price I'd be attempting to (unsuccessfully) negotiate a new chain and perhaps even some fresh rubber pre-delivery. Shimano Dura-Ace and Vittoria Corsa tyres ain't cheap... unlike me.

07 June 2023, 11:07
Drum & Bass on the Bike — London
07 June 2023, 10:56
Astana Qazaqstan development rider suspended by UCI over Russia support
Savelii Laptev (Astana Qazaqstan)

Astana development team rider Savelii Laptev has been suspended by the UCI over online support of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Insidethegames reports. Laptev, from Ekaterinburg in Russia, has been defended by his father who said it is all "a misunderstanding" and his social media was hacked.

Riders from Russia and Belarus can compete as neutral athletes as long as they do not show support for the invasion on social media or in interviews. Laptev's father explained how the UCI contacted his son after he "allegedly liked posts on social networks regarding the political situation".

"Savelii has already sent a letter to the international union, in which he explained that he had nothing to do with this. I don't understand how this could happen, probably his account was hacked.

"As far as I understand, the trial is underway, but for Savelii and the whole team, the letter that came on Friday about the impossibility of confirming the neutral status caused great surprise. He has no starts planned for the next 10 days, so it's hard for me to say whether he can continue to continue to ride for Astana.

"The team is also dealing with this issue, all the necessary explanations were provided by its representatives."

07 June 2023, 10:03
Dan Walker: "Quite a big thing to go through and then come out the other side of and get back on a bike and enjoy it again"
Dan Walker (Twitter/Dan Walker)

Dan Walker has spoken to the Mirror about the incident which saw him knocked off his bike in Sheffield back in February...

"It's probably the shock of seeing my face, it was quite badly damaged, wasn't it? I remember lying on the tarmac and coming round after 20 minutes or so, and I saw the faces of the two ambulance guys and the police officer.

"And I remember the first thing I did was I shook my arms, shook my legs, and I sort of moved my back, and thought, 'It hurts a bit and it aches and I can feel sort of blood in my mouth, I can feel wetness in my mouth, but I don't think I've broken anything'.

"And then in the days after that, I think you do have a bit of self-reflection and you do think about your priorities and things you've said or things you haven't said and things you want to do. When you're told you're 50 centimetres away from having your head run over and you think, okay, there's a time to reset and take stock and think about what you want to do.

"I had my head and back scanned, went through a concussion protocol and was back at work within a fortnight and back on a bike a week after that. The first roundabout I came to was a bit hairy, but I don’t even think about it now. I am really thankful I was wearing a helmet, thankful I didn’t break anything and thankful that I'm still around.

> Why is Dan Walker’s claim that a bike helmet saved his life so controversial?

"So I think that is quite a big thing to go through and then come out the other side of and get back on a bike and enjoy it again. That's where I'm at."

07 June 2023, 07:50
He's back... Tadej Pogačar returns to Strava with 30km/h mountain epic

In example number 17,549 of 'professional cyclists showing just how much better they are than us', here's how Tadej Pogačar eased himself back into outdoor training post-wrist fracture...

 

Just the 97 miles there, at altitude, in 40°C heat, climbing more than 4,000m of elevation at an average speed of 19mph (30.5km/h)... oh, and titled 'Vrum vrum', of course. Only fair to point out the two-time Tour champ hasn't been sat on the sofa for the last two months (well, he might have been outside of training hours, to be fair) getting a bit of work done on the home trainer and by running...

"I lost some training and couldn't do much on the road in the last four weeks. So I need to focus more on the intervals and long training sessions outside," he said on Friday.

"I've been training quite well on the home trainer and running. The shape is not as bad as I thought it was going to be after training on the rollers, and the wrist is getting better every day. And now I'll try to get as much as possible out of this camp here.

"Hopefully I will be 100 per cent for the Tour. Maybe the wrist will not be at 100 per cent, but I think the legs can be – you don't need wrists to train the legs."

On the racing front, the 24-year-old has scrapped his usual Tour of Slovenia tune-up appearance and instead will stay at altitude with his team at Sierra Nevada and Alpine training camps, only pinning on a number twice – at Slovenian TT champs and the national road race – before the Grand Départ in Bilbao.

07 June 2023, 08:18
1x... Why the pros are using it? Should you be considering it?

Jamie and Mat have been out at the Dauphiné, snapping pics of unreleased bikes (I know, they've got a tough life)...

> New Ridley road bike breaks cover at Critérium du Dauphiné

> BMC prototype aero superbike spotted at Dauphiné

They also spotted a certain defending Tour de France champion's Cervélo, with some rather eye-catching SRAM 1x à la Primož Roglič at the Giro...

> Is Vingegaard going 1x for the Tour de France? Reigning Tour champion ditches a chainring at the Critérium du Dauphiné

And so I guess the natural next question is... should we be copying the world's best and ditching our front mechs?

> Should you run a 1x set-up on your road bike?

Dan joined road.cc in 2020, and spent most of his first year (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. At the start of 2022 he took on the role of news editor. Before joining road.cc, Dan wrote about various sports, including football and boxing for the Daily Express, and covered the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Part of the generation inspired by the 2012 Olympics, Dan has been 'enjoying' life on two wheels ever since and spends his weekends making bonk-induced trips to the petrol stations of the south of England.

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BIRMINGHAMisaDUMP | 9 months ago
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That drum 'n' bass ride looks like proper fun. 

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Hirsute | 9 months ago
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That was an interesting use of muc off.
Went to put the bike rack on then saw all this bird crap on the roof. Easy 5 minutes job I thought.
About 40 minutes later I finish. Looked like baked on leaves and after trying a few things and cloths and scrapers thought about muc off and it worked !
Spray, wait, scrape, rinse. Spray, wait scrape, rinse.
Tedious!

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IanMSpencer | 9 months ago
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"the shake of a head" - gotta watch those.

Had a 5 minute barney with a motorist who got upset at our group's riding along a narrow two lane road littered with potholes. He passed us (without raising any reaction or apparently doing anything) but then one of our riders had gone off ahead signalling left just before a junction and I noticed a severe swerve out and around him. All of a sudden I see the driver stopped, indicator on, about 2 foot front the kerb. Matey in front hops on the kerb pops out in front and tries to continue. The driver set off and promptly collided with the rider.

A long argument ensued (JLR driver - either garage employee or direct employee) of which the main points were a cycling bingo of all over the road (but strangely able to pass).

I asked why the shake of the head (the reason he gave as to why he had stopped) gave him the right to use his car as a weapon. He replied we were supposed to stay together, tried to use the highway code to support this (of course it is silent on group riding protocol). We were in fact riding single file due to the width of the road and potholes. He specifically objected to my riding where I rode from the back of the group to the front to make sure they made a turn. I did this noting that there was a car far behind, I completed the manoeuvre and was ahead for 30 seconds or more before the car interacted with the group. I listed the number of offences he was committing including assault and threatening behaviour and that he was on camera, but he continued with his critique of our riding.

When he finally drove off I muttered "Idiot!" which he heard and stopped, got out of the car, door wide open, blocking the road and started on "So you are allowed to verbally assault me are you?" I think the arrival of an elderly couple stopped him from lamping me as I silently rode off with a mere withering look.

Why is it that motorists feel they are entitled to discipline cyclists for their perception of our riding standards?

The ride was topped off by a MGIF in a 20 when I was doing 20, and a near head on with a driver doing a bit of cleaning and shaking out a duster drifting onto the wrong side of the road a 100 yards from home.

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Cycloid replied to IanMSpencer | 9 months ago
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A normal day out then?

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IanMSpencer replied to Cycloid | 9 months ago
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Haven't had a stand up row with someone for a while - wrong side of the road lady was perfectly reasonable.

These events are more glaring when do many drivers are getting better at handling cyclists.

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IanMSpencer replied to Cycloid | 9 months ago
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Oh, I forgot the Freelander driver who tried to overtake me coming up to a junction near Chipping Camden, failed to complete and I was looking down at his wing (not mirror) as it got closer and closer. I glared with one of those "Do you think I'm going to magic out of the way?" looks, did some 1.5m hand signalling and set off left from the junction - with him still parked alongside -, adding on a bit of pointing at my camera, he then deliberately close passed me into a blind bend. As Brooksby says, drivers don't like being criticised, even when they know they are in the wrong.

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Cycloid replied to IanMSpencer | 9 months ago
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I find the best way to wind up a driver is simply quote the Highway Code at them.

 

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Cycloid | 9 months ago
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Cycloid wrote:

I find the best way to wind up a driver is simply quote the Highway Code at them.

 

The same works equally well for winding up cyclists. Specifically rule 59. Works a treat.

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Cycloid replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 9 months ago
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I don't know any cyclist that has a problem with rule 59.

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Cycloid | 9 months ago
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Cycloid wrote:

I don't know any cyclist that has a problem with rule 59.

I can think of a few on here, particularly the bit where cyclists should wear helmets.

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Cycloid replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 9 months ago
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Is it rule 59 which says?

Evidence suggests that a correctly fitted helmet will reduce your risk of sustaining a head injury in certain circumstances.

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Cycloid | 9 months ago
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Cycloid wrote:

Is it rule 59 which says?

Evidence suggests that a correctly fitted helmet will reduce your risk of sustaining a head injury in certain circumstances.

That's the one. Though it's the bit that says "You should wear a cycle helmet" that seems to get people's backs up round here.

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swldxer replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 9 months ago
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The Dutch do not wear plastic hats - they remove the risk - cars.

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chrisonabike replied to swldxer | 9 months ago
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Pedantry for the pedants' pedant:

The Dutch mostly do not wear plastic hats - they massively improve the convenience and feeling of safety when cycling - they remove the risk from interaction with other modes on roads above a certain speed limit or with a certain volume of vehicles and manage interactions between modes where necessary by engineering.  They've been so successful that now falls and crashes by cyclists not involving anyone else are the main contributor to the injury stats despite what appears to be a recent growth in casualties from "SUVs" and much larger cars.

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to swldxer | 9 months ago
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swldxer wrote:

The Dutch do not wear plastic hats - they remove the risk - cars.

The relevance of the Dutch being...?

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Rendel Harris replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 9 months ago
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ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:

The same works equally well for winding up cyclists. Specifically rule 59. Works a treat.

Why would anybody get wound up by Rule 59? It's a "should" not a "must", purely advisory. People might get annoyed by other people quoting it as if it is compulsory (as so many of our not-lamented now-banned trolls such as Nigel, Martin, Socrapi etc used to) in order deliberately to wind people up, but that's not getting wound up by the rule, it's getting wound up by people being deliberately and stupidly provocative and disingenuous.

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:

The same works equally well for winding up cyclists. Specifically rule 59. Works a treat.

Why would anybody get wound up by Rule 59? It's a "should" not a "must", purely advisory. People might get annoyed by other people quoting it as if it is compulsory (as so many of our not-lamented now-banned trolls such as Nigel, Martin, Socrapi etc used to) in order deliberately to wind people up, but that's not getting wound up by the rule, it's getting wound up by people being deliberately and stupidly provocative and disingenuous.

Purely advisory? Like giving 1.5m when overtaking you mean (also a 'should'). I don't think you understand what 'should' means in the context of the highway code.

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Rendel Harris replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 9 months ago
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ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:

Purely advisory? Like giving 1.5m when overtaking you mean (also a 'should'). I don't think you understand what 'should' means in the context of the highway code.

Well now, let's take a look at the highway code for 2023. What's this on page 4?

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rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’.

 

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:

Purely advisory? Like giving 1.5m when overtaking you mean (also a 'should'). I don't think you understand what 'should' means in the context of the highway code.

Well now, let's take a look at the highway code for 2023. What's this on page 4?

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rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’.

 

What version is that? The highway code online says no such thing as far as I can find.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/

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Rendel Harris replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 9 months ago
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ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:

What version is that? The highway code online says no such thing as far as I can find. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/

And it's me who doesn't understand? Go to the link that you have provided, click on the second section "Wording of the Highway Code" and look at the bottom of the second paragraph.

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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Ah yes that bit after "Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see The road user and the law) to establish liability. "

I must admit Rendel I had no idea you were so in favour of car drivers treating rules about safely overtaking as 'merely advisory'.

I do apologise though, as you are correct that the wording you quoted is present. It would be remiss of me to expect you to apologise for your blatant errors and mistruths if I didn't do the same when I err.

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Rendel Harris replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 9 months ago
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ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:

Ah yes that bit after "Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see The road user and the law) to establish liability. " I must admit Rendel I had no idea you were so in favour of car drivers treating rules about safely overtaking as 'merely advisory'.

I'm not in the least in favour of 1.5 m being advisory, it should be compulsory, but the fact is that it is only advisory and, as you have shown with your own link which you apparently couldn't understand, it is advisory because it is a "should" not a "must". In exactly the same way as wearing a helmet is advisory. You have literally proven this with your own link, even though you claimed that it did not include the words which I quoted.

ETA adding further material and insults to a comment after somebody has responded to it without making clear that you have added to it is a rather cheap trick, don't you think?

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:

Ah yes that bit after "Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see The road user and the law) to establish liability. " I must admit Rendel I had no idea you were so in favour of car drivers treating rules about safely overtaking as 'merely advisory'.

I'm not in the least in favour of 1.5 m being advisory, it should be compulsory, but the fact is that it is only advisory and, as you have shown with your own link which you apparently couldn't understand, it is advisory because it is a "should" not a "must". In exactly the same way as wearing a helmet is advisory. You have literally proven this with your own link, even though you claimed that it did not include the words which I quoted.

ETA adding further material and insults to a comment after somebody has responded to it without making clear that you have added to it is a rather cheap trick, don't you think?

I edited my comment to include my apology before you responded. If you typed quicker you might be able to keep up.

Typing with one hand and half a brain slows you down a bit I expect.

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Rendel Harris replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 9 months ago
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ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:

Typing with one hand and half a brain slows you down a bit I expect.

Ah, the standard STFD methodology, state something that is blatantly wrong, when challenged continue to argue about it until categorically proved wrong by the material you provided yourself and so then resort to insults. Rather sad really. Have a lovely day xx

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

ShutTheFrontDawes wrote:

Typing with one hand and half a brain slows you down a bit I expect.

Ah, the standard STFD methodology, state something that is blatantly wrong, when challenged continue to argue about it until categorically proved wrong by the material you provided yourself and so then resort to insults. Rather sad really. Have a lovely day xx

I apologized for my error. I do make them. You do too - you just refuse to acknowledge them.

What was the point that you were trying to make by the way? That cyclists don't get wound up when you mention rule 59? Bravo on that one.

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Cycloid replied to Rendel Harris | 9 months ago
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Highway Code Rule 59 is unusual

You should wear a cycle helmet that conforms to current regulations, is the correct size and securely fastened. Evidence suggests that a correctly fitted helmet will reduce your risk of sustaining a head injury in certain circumstances.

It says Cyclists Should wear a helmet then immediately waters down this advice to the point of almost negating it. Well informed cyclists will be aware of some of the reasons for doing this.

Other rules in the HWC Rules for Cyclists which to my mind are less than forthright are:-
Rule 59 (again) 
Light-coloured or fluorescent clothing can help other road users to see you in daylight and poor light, while reflective clothing and/or accessories (belt, arm or ankle bands) can increase your visibility in the dark.
Interestingly the equivalent rule for Pedestrians (Rule 3 Help Other Road Users to See you) is much more direct.
Rule 61 (Cycle Routes ..) While such facilities are provided for reasons of safety, cyclists may exercise their judgement and are not obliged to use them.

I have just spent a good hour re-reading the HWC and have found no watering down in the Rules for all Road users.
For example it does not say "You should give cyclists 1.5 metres space when overtkaing. But if the road is narrow or you are in a hurry you can get away with much less".

The "conradictory rules" are confined to cyclists and seem to refer to situations where Victim Blaming could be used agianst cyclists (either in court or by insurance companies) to mitigate bad driving behaviour.

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Nagai74 replied to Cycloid | 9 months ago
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Cycloid wrote:

For example it does not say "You should give cyclists 1.5 metres space when overtkaing. But if the road is narrow or you are in a hurry you can get away with much less".

Cheshire Police obviously believe that it does, as I have it in writing that I could not have expected the driver to sit behind me on a narrow country lane until a safe place to overtake presented itself. It then goes on to state that I may have aggravated the driver by 'swerving towards the rear of his vehicle'. This 'swerving' was necessary as the driver stopped in front of me, presumably not to apologise for for the poor display of overtaking, so I thought I'd be best to steer around  him and carry on my journey. Strangely enough, when he overtook me the second time, it was textbook.

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Cycloid replied to Nagai74 | 9 months ago
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I also live in Cheshire and amy dealings with Cheshire Police have been variable.
I have noticed the "Reality Check" that often comes with a dodgey overtake. A driver attempts an overtake approaching a blind bend on a country lane, meets an oncoming car and aborts the manoeuvre, giving me a bit of a scare. It seems that the driver then realises that there could be other vehicles coming around the bends and drops into ultra cautious mode.

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IanMSpencer replied to Cycloid | 9 months ago
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Most don't believe you. They have the Drivists' HWC in their head and anything you quote that doesn't fit their idea of what the HWC should say is rejected.

For example, my drivist friend didn't believe me when I pointed out that 3 abreast is not explicitly against the HWC as an example - he was arguing that the HWC said that the rider off the front was against the rules as we must stick together, and I wasn't allowed to overtake other members of my ride to change positions according to his HWC.

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Cycloid replied to IanMSpencer | 9 months ago
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The thing with the HWC is that you can check the "your version" vs the "Official Version" with a mobile phone which closes down the argument but makes the driver even angrier.

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