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"He has to wait, that's all there is to it": Jeremy Vine slams bus driver for near miss

Video comes two weeks after Transport for London launched an investigation into "unacceptable" close passing bus driver who pushed cyclist towards the kerb...

Jeremy Vine has criticised a London bus driver for making a right turn as the presenter approached, forcing him to brake to avoid a collision.

In the footage shared on Vine's Twitter account — where he regularly uploads videos from his cycling travels around the English capital — the BBC and Channel 5 broadcaster can be seen riding along when the bus driver makes a right turn across the lane Vine is using, cutting across him and forcing him to slow to avoid a crash.

Vine asked his 790,000 followers, "Hey bus people what's this about?", and the clip has been viewed more than 4.3 million times since it was uploaded on Monday afternoon.

 In reply, one former bus driver suggested the manoeuvre would have been dangerous to stop, suggesting "once the bus is in a turn, it is very difficult to stop, without causing risk to passengers".

"It seems from your video that the bus was already turning before you got close, and had to complete the manoeuvre," the former driver added.

Jeremy Vine bus near miss (Twitter/Jeremy Vine)
Jeremy Vine bus near miss (Twitter/Jeremy Vine)

Vine replied: "He has to wait. That's all there is to it." He also dispelled any likely accusations that the driver would not have been able to see him.

Last week another London cyclist spoke out about the "bullyish" bus driving that prompted a Transport for London investigation after footage of the rider being squeezed towards the kerb by a passing driver was shared on social media.

The footage featured on our Near Miss of the Day series and prompted Transport for London's head of bus operations Rosie Trew to tell road.cc that "driving that endangers cyclists or pedestrians is unacceptable and far from the required standard of our bus drivers".

The cyclist involved, Lauren O'Brien said the dangerous driving happens "quite often" and described how often bus drivers put her in a situation where "I'm going to have to make a quick decision to brake, get out the way of the bus before I have a collision."

"It just winds you up so much because it's bullyish behaviour, you have no option but to brake or you're goning to get hit by a bus, so they're putting you in this horrible, impossible situation where you've got to just get out their way – which shouldn't be the case at all," she said.

"Sometimes you just want to, you know, go up to and be like, 'Why are you doing this? Do you know how scary this is when you drive like that? You clearly don't if you're doing that, you clearly don't understand why or you wouldn't do it'."

TfL told us that all London bus drivers are currently undertaking a Vision Zero training course, which aims to teach new skills in hazard perception and to provide them with a better understanding of the risks to cyclists, pedestrians, motorcyclists, and passengers, along with ways to prevent driver fatigue.

TfL says the course is "designed to create the safety culture and attitudes" that will help the body achieve Vision Zero for London.

Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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ChrisB200SX replied to NotNigel | 1 year ago
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NotNigel wrote:

That's what generally happens when you get somewhere quicker than you would have done if you'd have held your speed or *shock horror * decelerated slightly after anticipating what the bus driver is halfway through doing.

Which is the exact opposite of what you are trying to portray in the picture.
Also, you cannot anticipate something which is already happening.
You are very confused.

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NotNigel replied to ChrisB200SX | 1 year ago
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Erm, no confusion here apart from to your responses.

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ChrisB200SX replied to NotNigel | 1 year ago
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NotNigel wrote:

Erm, no confusion here apart from to your responses.

Is it from or to? You are very confused.

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NotNigel replied to ChrisB200SX | 1 year ago
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You are very dull.

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chrisonabike replied to NotNigel | 1 year ago
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Oh dear!  All that can save us now is a kitten fight!

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Velophaart_95 replied to NotNigel | 1 year ago
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Yeah, there's been too many occasions an incident could be avoided, but he can't as he has poor roadsense, or he'strying to prove a point. I'm sure he started off meaning well, but now it looks as if he's looking for issues. 

I'm reminded of a saying "make a possible incident, a non-incident". Nobody is perfect, so help rectify others mistakes.....

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Dicklexic | 1 year ago
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After recently spending a few days in Paris, and witnessing the truly shocking chaos and carnage on their streets, I have a new found perspective on city cycling (and driving) in the UK. Honestly, some of the stuff I saw/experienced as a pedestrian and a taxi passenger was, shall we say, rather eye opening. A lot of the videos we see of poor driving/riding here in the UK, would it seems be perfectly normal and acceptable behaviour in Paris. For a city that has apparently 'embraced cycling' since the pandemic, I came away being glad that I don't have to ride around it on a daily basis. Certainly this video here from Mr Vine would get absolutely no sympathy towards him from Parisian viewers!

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chrisonabike replied to Dicklexic | 1 year ago
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But how was it *before* they "embraced cycling" though (which I believe has been going on for about a decade)? I thought the point of the change in Paris was that previously it could be a seriously scary / stressful experience - even if you were in a car, and good luck pedestrians?

Without losing the JV thread entirely - "Carnage" - so how many RTCs did you witness and what was the body count? I've not been, the videos I've seen look rather "rough and ready" - but isn't the point "doing something positive"? As opposed to eg. Kensington and Chelsea where cyclists are welcome ... elsewhere.

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Dicklexic replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Thankfully no 'actual' carnage, but plenty of potential carnage. I may have been guilty of a bit of hyperbole there.

I have no idea what it was like before, but I was under the (perhaps misguided) impression that Paris was now a 'cycling city'. Maybe it is a lot better now, and that is clearly a good thing, but there's still plenty of scope for improvement. It just all felt very lawless and chaotic from the perspective of someone that doesn’t usually spend much time in a huge metropolis like Paris or London.

My main point was that whilst we understandably get upset by some of the attitudes towards cyclists from UK drivers, I feel we actually have it quite good compared to some other places, Paris being one of them.

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chrisonabike replied to Dicklexic | 1 year ago
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Thanks for the explanation and reportage. I suspect, same as over here, there is no shortage of hyperbole from the Parisian planners. Given how radical the idea of doing anything that challenges the status quo of mass motoring is, it's perhaps understandable people get a bit wild in what they say.

TBH I think the only country where all cities are "cycling cities" is NL. Scandinavia has some good examples (maybe in reach of the UK although 2nd rate compared to NL). Not sure about Germany but some places may be getting towards the Scandinavian level. Central Seville. Then there's a gap (a few exceptions like Cambridge) then probably places like Paris, the UK (3rd rate in the good places but not yet in the running mostly).

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mike the bike replied to Dicklexic | 1 year ago
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Dicklexic wrote:

Thankfully no 'actual' carnage, but plenty of potential carnage. I may have been guilty of a bit of hyperbole there.  

I've told you a thousand times, don't exaggerate

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Rendel Harris replied to Dicklexic | 1 year ago
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I don't doubt your experience but it doesn't accord with my own at all: every time I cycle in Paris I am very pleasantly surprised by how much better Parisian drivers are around cyclists compared to London, how much better the infrastructure is and how much safer the streets in general feel. I wonder if that has anything to do with having a different perspective when on holiday? I think there are one or two posters on here who live in Paris, do they feel the same, i.e. that London is safer?

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Dicklexic replied to Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

 I wonder if that has anything to do with having a different perspective when on holiday?

That's a fair point. I was walking around Paris with my wife and two children (7 & 12) so that will almost certainly have skewed my perspective. Had I been on my own, and me being a confident and experienced cyclist, I probably would've happily rented one of the many ebikes or escooters available. It just seemed to me watching other riders that there were a lot moments that would've seen me submitting close pass footage had it occurred back home, yet the riders I saw barely reacted!

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Rendel Harris replied to Dicklexic | 1 year ago
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Yes, I think also one develops a totally different attitude on holiday; when I'm cycling in Paris I am generally drifting from place to place, under no time pressures, never having to take shortcuts through busy roads, and loving everything I see, so I'm definitely in a state of mind where I would be less likely to notice bad driving and even if I do I probably shrug it off as "Oh, so typically French!"

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mattw replied to Dicklexic | 1 year ago
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Just like us, they have not arrived yet,

But pointing to the bits they have done is a provocative self-flagellation exercise by people who want to express their dislike of the UK.surprise

On London vs Paris, I think London are doing better strategically, with some way to go especially in Outer London. Here's an assessment of how far they have got so far (TFL 2021). I think it's one of those things that is snail's pace until we look back after a longer time period.

In Paris when you fall off the edge of velo-Paris, you know about it.

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wycombewheeler replied to Dicklexic | 1 year ago
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Dicklexic wrote:

After recently spending a few days in Paris, and witnessing the truly shocking chaos and carnage on their streets, I have a new found perspective on city cycling (and driving) in the UK. Honestly, some of the stuff I saw/experienced as a pedestrian and a taxi passenger was, shall we say, rather eye opening. A lot of the videos we see of poor driving/riding here in the UK, would it seems be perfectly normal and acceptable behaviour in Paris. For a city that has apparently 'embraced cycling' since the pandemic, I came away being glad that I don't have to ride around it on a daily basis. Certainly this video here from Mr Vine would get absolutely no sympathy towards him from Parisian viewers!

and this is why the UK has some of the safest roads in the world, despite nearly zero effort in policing bad drivers.

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ubercurmudgeon | 1 year ago
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I was on Jeremy's side (the bus driver did go for gap in the oncoming traffic that wasn't quite big enough, so it's a bit naughty, although not a sacking offence) until I saw the follow-up video of his lighting setup as he leaves his house. Now I'm inclined to side with the bus driver, for the first time in my life. A blindingly-bright head torch is not the same thing as a proper (and legally mandated) handlebar-mounted front light. You need a steady beam, preferably with a cut-off, to judge what is coming towards you, and how quickly. Adding a helmet-mounted light can be useful, especially in urban settings, but it should be lower-powered than the fixed main beam. And the multi-coloured blinkers on his clothing will be either outshone by the head torch, or just add to the confusion (especially the green ones, as green means go.) For all the bus driver knew, it was someone swinging a torch about while walking a dog. Or some workmen doing emergency repairs to a manhole cover. By the time he sounded his horn, the bus was already making its turn, so it was pointless (and thus rather discourteous to the bus passengers and other people in the area.)

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Benthic replied to ubercurmudgeon | 1 year ago
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Nonsense.

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AidanR replied to ubercurmudgeon | 1 year ago
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Classic. Not so much SMIDSY as SMI thought you were walking a dog in the middle of a road at 6am.

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to ubercurmudgeon | 1 year ago
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It does surprise me that Vine has a helmet light but not a light fitted to the bicycle. You're correct that it is illegal to cycle between sunset and sunrise without lights affixed to the vehicle (bicycle); in accordance with RVLR 1989.

But the bus driver still should have seen Vine.

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Rendel Harris | 1 year ago
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As my mother used to say, if that's the worst thing that happens to you today count yourself lucky...

JV's not even entered the junction (white line) when the bus driver is at least halfway through the turn. I wouldn't have complained even at the time, let alone bothered posting it.

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Mungecrundle | 1 year ago
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Maybe Jeremy could do a ride along with a London bus driving instructor? He might become a bit more willing to compromise and make relatively trivial adjustments* to his own forward progress if he understood the inherent difficulties of driving a bus in a busy urban environment.

*You know, like us cyclists expect from other faster, heavier road users.

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The Accountant | 1 year ago
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Vine should be completely disowned and pilloried by everyone on this website for being a publicity seeking nobhead who actively tries to make the general public at large hate cyclists.

I always give a polite wave and smile to other cyclists, but if I saw him out and about he'd be getting the big two fingers, the bloke makes me fume!

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Secret_squirrel replied to The Accountant | 1 year ago
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Good job road.cc doesn't support polls.  If we put muting him vs you I wonder who would win. 🤔

I disagree with maybe 1 in 10 of his videos. But then I'm not cycling in and triggered by daily London commuting.

As the most high profile celebrity cyclist at least by frequency in the UK I think he does more good than harm by a long chalk.

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chrisonabike replied to Secret_squirrel | 1 year ago
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Just waiting 'till they start citing "top lawyer and road safety expert Nick Freeman" then it's bingo!

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Sniffer replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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It is well known that accountants live in a cul de sac.

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chrisonabike replied to Sniffer | 1 year ago
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Possibly in leafy Essex. Although not far enough from camera vigilantes seeking clicks for cash...

Although I've heard that some live below the bridge line on the internet.

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ShutTheFrontDawes | 1 year ago
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The honest reason: bus drivers, like most motorists,. DGAF about cyclists.

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IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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I think Vine is wrong here. Firstly, the road was more or less clear when the bus started over. A large vehicle takes time to clear a junction, especially when it cannot accelerate harshly and has to keep speed low in case of further obstructions. Also, buses are given an element of priority.

So, as everything was obvious, all Vine had to do was ease off slightly as soon as they saw the potential conflict. Here he seems to be pedalling into the bus. It would be interesting if his 360 camera could show the timing of his actions in relation to the bus coming across the lane.

If buses had to clear junctions in London with certainty that they were never going to cause a minor delay to other road users, the bus service would grind to a halt. The bus driver was not aggressive nor, as far as I can tell, deliberately ignoring Vine.

Another for the Vine causing trouble for cyclists notch.

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NotNigel replied to IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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Excactly this..he's not doing himself or other cyclists any favours with this....if this is the worst thing that's happened to him since the last video that was posted on here I don't think he's doing too bad.  

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