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"He has to wait, that's all there is to it": Jeremy Vine slams bus driver for near miss

Video comes two weeks after Transport for London launched an investigation into "unacceptable" close passing bus driver who pushed cyclist towards the kerb...

Jeremy Vine has criticised a London bus driver for making a right turn as the presenter approached, forcing him to brake to avoid a collision.

In the footage shared on Vine's Twitter account — where he regularly uploads videos from his cycling travels around the English capital — the BBC and Channel 5 broadcaster can be seen riding along when the bus driver makes a right turn across the lane Vine is using, cutting across him and forcing him to slow to avoid a crash.

Vine asked his 790,000 followers, "Hey bus people what's this about?", and the clip has been viewed more than 4.3 million times since it was uploaded on Monday afternoon.

 In reply, one former bus driver suggested the manoeuvre would have been dangerous to stop, suggesting "once the bus is in a turn, it is very difficult to stop, without causing risk to passengers".

"It seems from your video that the bus was already turning before you got close, and had to complete the manoeuvre," the former driver added.

Jeremy Vine bus near miss (Twitter/Jeremy Vine)
Jeremy Vine bus near miss (Twitter/Jeremy Vine)

Vine replied: "He has to wait. That's all there is to it." He also dispelled any likely accusations that the driver would not have been able to see him.

Last week another London cyclist spoke out about the "bullyish" bus driving that prompted a Transport for London investigation after footage of the rider being squeezed towards the kerb by a passing driver was shared on social media.

The footage featured on our Near Miss of the Day series and prompted Transport for London's head of bus operations Rosie Trew to tell road.cc that "driving that endangers cyclists or pedestrians is unacceptable and far from the required standard of our bus drivers".

The cyclist involved, Lauren O'Brien said the dangerous driving happens "quite often" and described how often bus drivers put her in a situation where "I'm going to have to make a quick decision to brake, get out the way of the bus before I have a collision."

"It just winds you up so much because it's bullyish behaviour, you have no option but to brake or you're goning to get hit by a bus, so they're putting you in this horrible, impossible situation where you've got to just get out their way – which shouldn't be the case at all," she said.

"Sometimes you just want to, you know, go up to and be like, 'Why are you doing this? Do you know how scary this is when you drive like that? You clearly don't if you're doing that, you clearly don't understand why or you wouldn't do it'."

TfL told us that all London bus drivers are currently undertaking a Vision Zero training course, which aims to teach new skills in hazard perception and to provide them with a better understanding of the risks to cyclists, pedestrians, motorcyclists, and passengers, along with ways to prevent driver fatigue.

TfL says the course is "designed to create the safety culture and attitudes" that will help the body achieve Vision Zero for London.

Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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Awavey replied to NotNigel | 1 year ago
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That's the thing that surprises me about his content, I'm sure I could turn out regular weekly videos of "near misses" worse than that, so howcome that's the worst he experiences on his daily rides ? Is it just everyone is still in bed when he's on the road ?

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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"A large vehicle takes time to clear a junction"

And therefore has to wait for a larger gap in traffic.

"buses are given an element of priority"

No, they're not.

The crux of it is that bus drivers should wait for a point where they can turn without turning across other road users who have priority. The reality is that they sometimes don't. And more often with cyclists.

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brooksby replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 1 year ago
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I agree with you on this.

But, you know, there have been people on This Very Site who have said that we should all be willing to give way (cede priority) to buses as they are providing a Very Good Public Service...

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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Indeed. I even remember the claim that each bus takes "hundreds" of cars off the road. It seemed likely that the father of Britain's newest cello prodigy had never actually seen the inside of a bus.

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Steve K replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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brooksby wrote:

I agree with you on this.

But, you know, there have been people on This Very Site who have said that we should all be willing to give way (cede priority) to buses as they are providing a Very Good Public Service...

To be fair, the Highway Code does say you should give priority to buses when you can do so safely.

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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Steve K wrote:

brooksby wrote:

I agree with you on this.

But, you know, there have been people on This Very Site who have said that we should all be willing to give way (cede priority) to buses as they are providing a Very Good Public Service...

To be fair, the Highway Code does say you should give priority to buses when you can do so safely.

JV had right of way. Did he cede right of way? No. You could say he should have (but note the HWC does not even say he 'should'), but the fact is, he didn't.

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Backladder replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 1 year ago
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I notice a lot of the twits are excusing it because the van blocked the drivers view, they seem to think it is ok to start a manoeuver if you can't see it is clear to do so!

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rct replied to Backladder | 1 year ago
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Beat me too it. If the van was blocking the bus driver's view, the bus driver should not have proceeded.

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Awavey replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 1 year ago
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I don't think Vine has the priority there, and whats the phrase Ashley Neal uses, priority is given not automatic, Vine hasn't even gone through the ASL box and the bus is already committed to turning

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Awavey | 1 year ago
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Awavey wrote:

I don't think Vine has the priority there, and whats the phrase Ashley Neal uses, priority is given not automatic, Vine hasn't even gone through the ASL box and the bus is already committed to turning

Do you think that someone already in a junction has priority over people who have not yet passed the ASL on their side of the junction?

Rule 180 is clear and the bus driver did not comply with it.

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Awavey replied to ShutTheFrontDawes | 1 year ago
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Well I would argue rule 180 has a distance limitation on it by implication of determining what a safe gap is, & I don't feel the bus driver contravened the spirit of that rule, technically its a ding because it would force another road user to adapt, but the bus had a sufficient gap when they committed to the maneuver and i dont feel what they did was particularly dangerous, especially not to an experienced road cyclist.

But if we're citing HC rules why is Vine not following rule 146 or rule 147 ?

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Awavey | 1 year ago
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Awavey wrote:

Well I would argue rule 180 has a distance limitation on it by implication of determining what a safe gap is, & I don't feel the bus driver contravened the spirit of that rule, technically its a ding because it would force another road user to adapt, but the bus had a sufficient gap when they committed to the maneuver and i dont feel what they did was particularly dangerous, especially not to an experienced road cyclist.

But if we're citing HC rules why is Vine not following rule 146 or rule 147 ?

I'm often critical of JV's cycling. He clearly could slow down earlier and prevent a conflict. But that does not excuse the bus driver for turning when it was not safe. When the bus driver started the turn they could not even see that the way was clear because of the van, notwithstanding the oncoming cyclist.

If you think that turning across a junction despite not seeing that the way is clear, and continuing to do so despite an incoming cyclist is in 'the spirit' of rule 180; i.e. that it is waiting until the is a safe gap between you and any incoming vehicle, you're not safe to be on the road.

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The Accountant replied to IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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Thanks, that's an eminently sensible comment

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Jimmy Ray Will replied to IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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Should the bus driver have waited... probably.  Is that how city centre commuting works in practice... not at all.

The move was a bit rude and caused a mild inconvenience, nothing more. 

Worth a shout and maybe an arm wraggle, but otherwise, move on. 

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IanMSpencer replied to Jimmy Ray Will | 1 year ago
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I'm struggling to see it even as a bit rude to be honest. That bloody camera of Vine's again makes it hard to judge distances and I may be doing him a dis-service, but that seems a wide junction and it took Vine quite a long time to come into conflict. The offset junction design including road markings actually seems to encourage essentially driving on the wrong side of the road, and the conflict was visible for 5 or 6 seconds. There is another issue that the cycle lane effectively puts Vine more into conflict with the bus than if there were no cycle lane - a car would actually be less impeded by the bus.

I know I get slightly irritated when lorries head onto roundabouts when they can see I am coming and I have to halt while I admire their load, but the reality is that at times, it is virtually impossible for large vehicles to pass through junctions without hindering other vehicles. As long as this is done knowingly and without forcing someone into sudden evasive action, I think it is something road users live with. I also apply the London factor, where traffic, and cyclists, can often be unrelenting and sheer weight of traffic leads to an element of push and shove - regardless of whether the Highway Code approves, it is a factor in urban traffic. Having driven into Brum yesterday, I observed all sorts of novel interpretations of lane use which as a driver I am told to accept and not react to.

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HoarseMann replied to IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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Agree. There are situations to be upset about, but this is not one of them. There was plenty of distance and opportunity for Jeremy to back off a little and let the bus complete the turn.

The bigger issue is the vehicle following through behind the bus, they could have blindly followed the bus in making the turn, without being able to see the oncoming cyclist.

Also, Vine should stop wearing such a bright helmet light. That could have made him appear further away than he actually was.

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Matthew Boswell replied to IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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I agree that this isnt the worst thing ive seen.
I think it's the hypocrisy. Drivers expect cyclist to adapt to their potentially dangerous driving; but are not willing to do the bare minimum to ensure the safety of cyclists.

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Awavey replied to Matthew Boswell | 1 year ago
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I think that's unfair in this case on that bus driver, he wasn't causing anyone any danger by what he did, Vine, who must end up following his rides very angry & stressed all the time if stuff like that winds him up, is simply exploiting a situation 1000s of cyclists experience daily with no fuss, for his gain, again.

There's the old proverb of the boy who cried wolf, I forget what the lesson was.

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brooksby replied to Awavey | 1 year ago
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Awavey wrote:

... who must end up following his rides very angry & stressed all the time if stuff like that winds him up...

"I channel my aggression, that's what I do;

Every day I ride the Tour de F- You!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgCqz3l33kU

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IanMSpencer replied to Matthew Boswell | 1 year ago
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Quite, Vine is currently embroiled in another marginal one where he takes the lane when it is at least arguable he could have let the no handed, inattentive, mobile phone-using white van man by. Oddly, few seem to want to argue that there is an obligation to take care around cyclists, and to allow them to clear junctions from the ASL.

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Awavey replied to IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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It's alot less marginal than the bus, though it raises alot of interesting points about interaction of multiple road users & distraction. Really he needs to adopt the Frozen attitude sometimes, Let it Go.

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NotNigel | 1 year ago
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**Jeremy Vine trying to make something out of nothing shocker**

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