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“Stop victim blaming”: Government’s New Year’s call for all road users to “share responsibility” for safety slammed; Ganna teases new Kask ear-o helmet; Larry Warbasse bags “ultimate” 89.5km Strava KOM; Mud bath bike tests + more on the live blog

The Quality Street tin is empty, the Hootenanny is now a distant memory, and Mathieu van der Poel’s spit has finally dried on that cyclocross spectator’s coat – which must mean it’s time for Ryan Mallon to bring you the first live blog of the year
02 January 2024, 09:07
Close pass op (PSNI/Twitter)
“Stop victim blaming”: Government’s New Year’s call for all road users to “share responsibility” for safety slammed, as new figures reveal cyclists, pedestrians, and motorcyclists account for over half of all road deaths in 2023

Since it’s a brand-new year on the live blog (Rick Astley didn’t sing ‘Never Gonna Give You Up’ just after midnight on the BBC for nothing), I thought I’d wipe the slate clean and make a fresh start by focusing on some different kinds of cycling-related stories – a post-Christmas clean-up, if you will, of all the doom and gloom and social media outrage that populated the 2023 blog.

Ah, I see…

Well, scratch that idea – because, I regret to inform you, the government and police are at it again when it comes to shifting the onus for road safety onto vulnerable road users. And cyclists on social media aren’t one bit happy about it.

Plus ça change, and all that.

Yesterday, just nine hours into the New Year, Northern Ireland’s Department for Infrastructure – making a rapid live blog debut this year after a spectacularly farcical 2023 – issued a reminder to “everyone of our shared responsibility in 2024 to safeguard our own safety and that of others, however we choose to travel on the roads”.

The latest call for shared responsibility on the roads comes after the PSNI released its provisional, and sobering, road safety figures for 2023, which revealed that 69 people died on Northern Ireland’s roads last year, up from 55 and 50 in 2022 and 2021 respectively.

Perhaps most shockingly, of those 69 killed in road traffic collisions, more than half were vulnerable road users – two cyclists, 19 pedestrians, and 13 motorcyclists.

Cavehill Road, Belfast (credit - Sustrans)

> No change in cycling casualties over 10 years in Northern Ireland called “shameful” by Cycling UK and should be “wake-up call” for decision makers

And what did the Department for Infrastructure’s permanent secretary Dr Denis McMahon have to say about this alarmingly high death toll for vulnerable road users?

“If you are a driver help protect more vulnerable road users by slowing down and paying attention. If you are walking please always be aware of your surroundings and if walking at night please ensure you can be seen. And if you are a cyclist or motorcyclist, please ensure you put your safety first,” he said in a statement.

“By each and every road user taking personal responsibility, we are likely to see a reduction in the number of people being killed or seriously injured.

“As we start a new year, please resolve to help prevent collisions and save lives by slowing down and paying attention.”

> "What if a cyclist hits this?": Councillor raises alarm over enormous pothole big enough to stand waist-deep in

As anyone familiar with the live blog in 2023 will predict, that particular sentiment – and the accompanying post calling for “shared responsibility” didn’t go down too well with cyclists on social media.

“Shared responsibility is a cop out,” Holywood Cyclist said in response to the DfI’s post. “How many people do pedestrians or cyclists kill or seriously injure in a year? There is only one danger on the roads and it is time the powers that be here did something about it rather than just asking nicely. Two lives ruined per day isn’t enough to drive change?”

> New barriers on infamous ‘car park’ cycle lane vandalised, as councillor calls for “robust” protection “before someone gets seriously hurt”

“Shared responsibility means putting equal onus/blame on vulnerable road users who get killed, rather than putting the onus on those doing the killing. When are you going to adopt the hierarchy of road users?” asked Stormont Cyclist, noting Northern Ireland’s (predictably) lackadaisical approach to adopting measures now commonplace in other parts of the UK.

“STOP VICTIM BLAMING” was OB Cycler’s all-caps response, while others pointed out ways the Department for Infrastructure could take their share of the responsibility for road safety.

> “If they can’t build cycle lanes, devolve bloody powers to us and we’ll do it”: Belfast Council slams Northern Ireland government’s “joke” delivery of cycling infrastructure – as just 2.8km of bike lanes installed in two years

“How about you build the infrastructure to keep cyclists and pedestrians safe? The domination of the car has to end,” Dom Bryan wrote.

“Oh yes, reminding people. A sure-fire way to improve road safety. 71 dead last year even with your reminders. Maybe it’s time to try something different, you know, like infrastructure. Who is best placed to fix that, I wonder,” pondered Peter.

Meanwhile, Aaron added: “Give us an online portal to upload footage of dangerous and illegal driving already... falling years behind other police forces!”

Now that would be a fresh start we could all get behind…

02 January 2024, 10:53
Is that an ear-o helmet? Filippo Ganna teases new Kask aero road lid – with funky over-ear design

Ah, 1 January – when resolutions are made, alcohol is sworn off (at least for a while), futile training regimes are implemented (and swiftly discarded), and professional cycling teams and riders inundate social media with image after image of their sparkling new kit and equipment.

Carrying on that proud annual tradition yesterday were the Ineos Grenadiers and their time trialling supremo Filippo Ganna, who posted a litany of training camp photos to Instagram, ostensibly to show off the British team’s new kit sponsor (Gobik) and the ever-so-slightly modified colour scheme of its jerseys and Pinarellos.

But, hiding in plain sight, was a far more interesting revelation than Ineos’ change from red to slightly more orangey red tones.

Every photo uploaded by Ganna showed the Italian superstar and a handful of his teammates wearing what appears to be a brand-new, and very interesting, aero road lid from Kask.

The helmet, a likely replacement for the six-year-old Kask Utopia, features a shell which covers the top of the rider’s ears – a sort of halfway house between the non-existent ear coverage favoured by traditional road helmet designs and the maximal approach of pure time trial lids.

Filippo Ganna teases new Kask aero road helmet (Instagram)

With helmets increasingly blurring the line between road and TT in recent years, the as-yet-unconfirmed new design from Kask appears to be pushing the boundaries of aerodynamic gain hunting in road races even further – in what could be a watt-saving coup for those of us with, ahem, wind-catching ears.

And there we were thinking January kit launches were boring and useless…

02 January 2024, 16:47
Sustrans – Bringing you the National Swimming Network

A real classic of the ‘Flooded Bike Route’ genre here, courtesy of Bath’s Two Tunnels greenway, where the Bear Flat entrance to the shorter tunnel is looking decidedly wet this afternoon:

To be honest, I’m not sure even Van der Poel or Van Aert would fancy that. Maybe Adam Peaty? 

02 January 2024, 15:40
Bora-Hansgrohe 2024 S-Works with SRAM
Supplier merry-go-round continues as Bora-Hansgrohe confirms new partnership with SRAM

In promising news for unnecessary capital letters everywhere, and about a month after their Specialized bikes were first spotted adorned with SRAM groupsets, Bora-Hansgrohe has confirmed that the American component manufacturer will become the squad’s “drivetrain partner” for the coming season.

Starting with this month’s Tour Down Under, Bora-Hansgrohe’s riders will race using SRAM’s Red eTap AXS groupsets, along with Hammerhead head units, ending the German team’s longstanding relationship with Shimano.

Following today’s announcement, four men’s WorldTour teams are now using SRAM componentry, including Bora, Movistar, Lidl-Trek, and Visma-Lease a Bike.

Bora-Hansgrohe 2024 S-Works with SRAM 2

“For me, the partnership with SRAM also means a very personal return to the company,” Bora team boss Ralph Denk said in a statement. “In the ‘90s, SRAM gave me the opportunity to take the very first steps in my professional career.

“Back then I experienced SRAM as an innovation-driven company with a strong hands-on mentality. Now we’re looking ahead to our partnership with SRAM and after our initial talks, I can already confirm that the mentality and motivation from back then are still there!”

“I’m super excited to ride on SRAM next year!” the squad’s GC threat Jai Hindley added. “I was already able to test the Red AXS groupset and I’m really happy with it. Particularly the possibility of using a single chainring set-up for some races or stages can be very beneficial in my opinion.”

Hmmm… 2024 – the year of 1x?

02 January 2024, 15:17
A34, Cannock (Google Streetview)
New cycling and walking routes set to be added to A34 in Staffordshire

After his mud bath at the GP Sven Nys yesterday, Cannock-born Lewis Askey will be pleased with his local council’s decision to install new cycling and walking routes in the area, which will be added as part of the £9m worth of road improvements to the A34 in Staffordshire.

The work, including repairs, is due to start today in Stafford and Cannock, with streetlights to be replaced and drainage works undertaken between Weeping Cross and Queensville, the BBC reports.

David Williams, Staffordshire County Council’s member responsible for roads, said the project – the majority of the work for which will take place in the spring – will result in “considerable improvements” to the A34.

02 January 2024, 14:44
New Year Goals

Now that’s what I call cycling art. Surely the Campag Kid would loan me it for a while when it’s finished? 

02 January 2024, 13:58
Tour o The Borders start
Future of Tour O The Borders sportive looks brighter following “overwhelming support” for closed roads event in council survey

The future of the Tour O The Borders, the popular Peeblesshire-based closed road sportive, suddenly appears a whole lot brighter after a recent council survey revealed that local residents and businesses were “overwhelmingly” in support of the event continuing – just months after the 2024 edition was cancelled when the local authority received complaints from a group of unhappy residents.

In June, we reported that the route of September’s Tour O The Borders was redesigned to by-pass an area where a small group of locals have campaigned against the road closures which form a key part of the event’s appeal.

That long-term opposition then caused the sportive’s very future to be thrown into uncertainty, with organisers Hillside Outside claiming that the Scottish Borders Council ruled that the current route cannot be staged on closed roads in 2024, following a consultation with Ettrick and Yarrow Community Council.

> Tour O The Borders sportive faces cancellation after residents complain about event’s road closures

A subsequent statement from the council, which claimed that it was not responsible for halting the event, was described by the organisers as “utterly ridiculous” and “disingenuous”, with Hillside Outside arguing the local authority’s claim that the decision to bring an end to the decade-old sportive was “entirely avoidable” does not provide “an accurate reflection of what has been happening over the past few months, and demonstrates an unwillingness to accept responsibility”.

Since June’s very public debate over the sportive’s future, Scottish Borders Council launched a post-event evaluation survey to gauge the opinions of local residents and business in Peebles, Innerleithen, and the Ettrick and Yarrow valley areas.

Of the 597 respondents, three-quarters said they were in favour of the event, believing that it has a positive impact on the Borders.

Tour O The Borders (Credit: Ian Linton)

(Credit: Ian Linton)

“Although we’ve not had any detail or discussion with SBC yet, this sounds like very good news,” Tour O The Borders organiser Neil Dalgleish told the Border Telegraph following the survey’s results.

“Obviously we’re now very hopeful that there’s some kind of future for Tour O The Borders as a closed road event, but we need to be clear we have definitely not been given a green light at this stage.

“We’re looking forward to discussing next steps with SBC to find out what the road map for progress from here will look like. We’d like to see the event move forward while taking consideration of all views within the communities affected by it.”

> Tour O The Borders organiser slams council’s “utterly ridiculous and disingenuous” claim that it is not responsible for sportive’s demise

He added: “It’s great to see such overwhelming support for the Tour and hopefully this will help finally settle the debate.

“Given how much the event has done to put the Borders on the map as a top road cycling destination and the number of new and repeat visitors to the area associated with the event, this response is what we were hoping for.

“It’s worth bearing in mind that our own survey on this attracted 1,400 positive responses, so the available data certainly feels robust now, but we’ll always be respectful of all the parties involved.”

Tour O The Borders (credit: Richard Turley)

 (Credit: Richard Turley)

Following the positive response from locals, the Scottish Borders Council says it will now work with Hillside Outside to ensure the event can continue on closed roads.

Councillor Scott Hamilton, executive member for business and community development, said: “This survey was specifically targeted at those residents and businesses most likely to be impacted by the Tour O The Borders closed road event in 2023 and I am pleased that so many took the time to complete it.

“We will continue to engage with the event organisers to support the continuation of the event on closed roads and encourage continued proactive engagement with those communities along the route as part of the event planning process.

“As with any event which results in road closures, it is important that the positive impacts, including on our local economy, are balanced against any disruption this causes to communities.”

02 January 2024, 13:40
Stagecoach bus company reports no offence committed after cyclist made “citizen’s arrest” on driver over alleged close pass which “nearly wiped him out”

Bus operator Stagecoach has investigated and responded to an allegation an employee driving one of its vehicles in Hull must have been “under the influence of alcohol or drugs” when they “nearly wiped out” a cyclist, who then boarded the bus and made a “citizen’s arrest” following the incident.

Officers from Humberside Police attended the scene on Monday 18 December following a report from a member of the public of “suspected drink driving”, but no offences were deemed to have been committed.

Stagecoach bus garage (Robin Webster CC BY-SA 2.0)

Read more: > Stagecoach bus company reports no offence committed after cyclist made “citizen’s arrest” on driver over alleged close pass which “nearly wiped him out”

02 January 2024, 12:58
Disappointing kit launch of the year

Ehhh, Polti-Kometa, what in the name of underwhelming nostalgia is this? A bland, mostly white kit with mere hints of colour (red shorts notwithstanding)?

Where’s all the yellow? And green flashes and animal print? And mad 1990s styling?

Richard Virenque, 2000 Tour de France

Come on, Bertie and Birillo, there’s still time – give the people what they want!

02 January 2024, 12:39
Delightful thought of the day

I’m sure MVDP is glad his dad’s still there to help him as well…

02 January 2024, 11:58
“That was brutal”: Larry Warbasse bags “ultimate” 89.5km, five-hour, 4,200m-high Strava KOM

How did you spend the seemingly never-ending, chocolate and TV-laden vacuum between Christmas and New Year?

Probably not in the same manner as Larry Warbasse, anyway, as the 33-year-old American ditched the Back to the Future marathon for a successful stab at one of the world’s toughest Strava KOMs – the 89.5km Mauna Kea volcano climb in Hawaii.

Larry Warbasse takes Mauna Kea, Hawaii, Strava KOM

Starting at sea level, the Mauna Kea climb tops out at a staggering 4,214m, averaging around 4.7 percent throughout its 90-odd kilometres, and boasting a brutal final 21km at nine percent (that’s tougher than Mont Ventoux) and a 10km, 12 percent dirt section (think the Angliru or Mortirolo, but on gravel), which forced Warbasse to push his bike on occasion.

Despite the odd spot of walking, the Decathlon AG2R rider (yeah, that’ll take a while to get used to) became only the second rider to break the five-hour mark for the monster climb, reaching the top of the volcano in 4.59:04 to beat retired pro and former KOM holder Phil Gaimon by just 15 seconds.

“Sorry Phil,” a tired Larry wrote on Strava after his “ultimate” Strava success. “That was brutal.”

Now, there’s the understatement of the year so far.

Expanding on his epic ride on Instagram, Warbasse said: “I’ve been coming to the Big Island for years, but I never attempted to ride up Mauna Kea, it just seemed too hard. But this trip, I figured it was about time to give it a go…

“Let’s just say it was a bit tougher than I expected. Once you pass 3,000m, you have a 10km gravel section at an average of 12 percent. It’s pretty loose and not entirely rideable without wider tires. At one point I had to walk for a few minutes… and then magically, the gravel turns to pavement again, for the last few km to the summit at 4,200m/13,800ft.

“But there it was even steeper. It was like hitting the last few km of Tre Cime Lavaredo after riding up one of the steepest hills of the Strade Bianche that went on for 10km. But somehow after feeling like I was never going to make it by sunset, I got to the top.

“Can’t say I’m in a rush to do that one again, but a cool way to finish off 2023. And happy to check that KOM off the list.”

Fair play Larry. Now, where’s my last few Celebrations and Roses?

02 January 2024, 11:41
Warning that bike theft has been “decriminalised” as stats show 89% of reported cases unsolved

Another heartwarming story to kick off 2024, as the Liberal Democrats have warned that bike theft has been effectively “decriminalised”, as analysis of Home Office data found that nine in 10 cases reported to the police since 2019 had gone unsolved.

Lib Dem home affairs spokesperson Alistair Carmichael described the figures as “shocking” and cause for cyclists to be left “wondering if bike theft has been decriminalised”.

Of all bike thefts reported to the police since 2019, 89 per cent (more than 365,000) have gone unsolved, the analysis of Home Office data showed, pointing to more than eight reported bike thefts an hour and 200 per day going unsolved in England and Wales over the past four years.

Bike theft hotspot sign (Bikmo)

Read more: > Warning that bike theft has been “decriminalised” as stats show 89% of reported cases unsolved

02 January 2024, 10:30
What can we expect from the cycling world in 2024? road.cc’s resident Mystic Megs go crystal ball gazing

With 2024 now underway, yawning and in desperate need of a coffee, we decided to fetch our crystal balls (enough with the puns already – grow up) from a dust-infested corner of the road.cc office and come up with some almost certainly terrible predictions for the 12 months ahead in cycling, from active travel and tech to the Tour de France and the bike industry… 

What's in store for cycling in 2024?

> What’s in store for cycling in 2024? road.cc shares some two-wheeled prophecies for the year ahead (which may or may not be completely rubbish)

(If you stumble across this article in December, feel free to have a laugh at how wrong we were. Apart from my brilliantly accurate predictions, of course.)

02 January 2024, 09:51
“My new bike definitely rides a lot better than it tastes”: Lewis Askey takes Groupama-FDJ’s new Wiliers for a muddy test ride… at the GP Sven Nys

Like many 22-year-old Brits, Lewis Askey spent his New Year’s Day in a constant state of suffering, while occasionally faceplanting a massive pool of mud…

But at least Groupama-FDJ’s up-and-comer had a 17th place at the GP Sven Nys to show for it, and not just a raging hangover and vague traces of regret.

> Groupama-FDJ confirms new partnership with Wilier Triestina

That’s one method of thoroughly testing your team’s brand-new bikes, anyway. And I’m sure his skin is flawless this morning – who needs a New Year’s trip to the spa when you have cyclocross?

Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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giff77 | 3 months ago
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Meanwhile the PSNI has cut 21 positions from the road safety team totally disregarding that the roads have been carnage and the death toll for 2023 sitting at 71. 

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Muddy Ford | 4 months ago
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What change in my cycling behaviour or attire would prevent me from being smashed into by a distracted/ignorant/aggressive driver whilst they are forcing their way past me from behind? I have hi-viz, garmin radar, helmet (because the fear of hitting my helmet is bound to scare the driver into giving more clearance isn't it?).   Obviously the answer is to leave my bike in the shed and take the fking car, joining all the other selfish morons clogging the roads in a vehicle that is 10 times larger and a 100 times heavier than is needed to transport one person.   

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ROOTminus1 replied to Muddy Ford | 4 months ago
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Replace your cycling garb with a tonne of steel like a mech suit. Might be a bit heavy to carry so support it with a wheel in each corner and it might need an ICE to aid with mobility, or an equally incendiary long range battery pack.

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belugabob | 4 months ago
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There's a certain amount of logic in expecting road users to look out for themselves - others don't seem to be interested in doing it.
I had to run an errand, on the way home from work tonight, and this meant that I couldn't use the usual segregated cycle paths and had to use mostly ordinary roads.
Apart from the poor facilities for crossing busy roads (3 set of toucan lights to get across one road, for example)
In the space of 8.5km, I had 4 very scary moments which, had they been encountered by a less experienced cyclist, would most likely have just been the first one, followed by "splat!"
The level of impatience and poor observation is truly shocking.

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belugabob replied to belugabob | 4 months ago
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Having thought about this a bit more, what the announcement should have said, is "Watch out for others, because they sure as hell aren't watching out for you..."

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brooksby | 4 months ago
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I suppose cyclists do need to share responsibility for safety on the road.  I mean - if a cyclist isn't paying attention then they might run into an SUV and KSI the driver.  Erm… 

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 4 months ago
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brooksby wrote:

I suppose cyclists do need to share responsibility for safety on the road.  I mean - if a cyclist isn't paying attention then they might run into an SUV and KSI the driver.  Erm… 

What if we stop killing all those drivers with our wayward cycling, then will the drivers agree to stop killing cyclists?

Sounds fair enought to me.

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 4 months ago
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Well I haven't killed any drivers while cycling yet and vice versa.

So - a truce.  How to encourage it though?

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Clem Fandango replied to brooksby | 4 months ago
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Come now, be sensible.  I can't be expected to look out for every SUV shaped object on the road - I have to continuously stare at my Wahoo (other GPS units & computational tech are available) to ensure that I stay at the precise speed that means I am exceeding the speed limit and riding recklessly, yet still "holding up" vehicular traffic.  

"They" are always painted in non hi-viz colours anyway - how am I supposed to see them when they appear in front of me.  And apparently thousands of their drivers have no insurance or pay tax. Not like me - I Had TrAiNInG (did my cycling proficiency back in the '80s you see).  And another thing.... they're always in the "middle of the road" doing 2mph for miles on end, dozens of them line astern on their pointless single occupant trips.

Vermin the lot of them. They can just blummin' well stay out of my way or face the consequences (the drivers'll be alright if they wear plastic hats anyway).  If I write off a wankpanzer because we collided then it's their fault for putting themselves at risk.

That coffee & cake I'm on my way to won't eat/drink itself either now will it.

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Hirsute replied to brooksby | 4 months ago
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lesterama | 4 months ago
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Polti colours: the black Aurum is more of a disappointment than the strip. Those white Aurums were the most elegant bikes in the peloton over the past few years.

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SimoninSpalding | 4 months ago
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Happy New Year Ryan and fellow road.cc'ers!

A slightly different take on the NI responsiblity thing. Are they going to explain to motorists what "cyclists taking responsibility for their own safety" looks like. In my mind this is a lot of riding primary, riding 2 abreast in groups and generally deciding when (if) it is safe for cars to pass.

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Carior | 4 months ago
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I give it until the first sunny Sunday club run until your mate with all the gear and no idea takes out the bunch whilst trying to put his sunglasses on whilst wearing his new Kask helmet that makes him 0.27W faster (he gets an extra couple of % because of his massive ears and lack of hair).

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Patrick9-32 | 4 months ago
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Have you guys tried not being hit by cars? Honestly, if you take some responsibility and just don't get hit by cars and we will all be much safer. 

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mitsky replied to Patrick9-32 | 4 months ago
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Might want to add "(sarcasm)" to Your comment as some people might not get it.

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Patrick9-32 replied to mitsky | 4 months ago
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Should have hit em with the winky face haha  3 

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eburtthebike replied to mitsky | 4 months ago
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mitsky wrote:

Might want to add "(sarcasm)" to Your comment as some people might not get it.

There are many places on the web where it wouldn't be sarcasm.

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Rendel Harris replied to eburtthebike | 4 months ago
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eburtthebike wrote:

There are many places on the web where it wouldn't be sarcasm.

Before Martin was given his marching orders this place was one of those places, I well remember his dictum "Any cyclist hit by a car has de facto put themselves in harm's way in the first place."

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chrisonabike replied to Patrick9-32 | 4 months ago
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Patrick9-32 wrote:

Have you guys tried not being hit by cars? Honestly, if you take some responsibility and just don't get hit by cars and we will all be much safer. 

Excellent summary.

Non-cyclists: "but... you chose to cycle" (everyone knows this is risky).
Many cyclists: "it's never happened to me, so it must be something you did".

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chrisonabike replied to Patrick9-32 | 4 months ago
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Further - addressing issues at the "attitude change" level via information or other campaigns is a default by authorities (and indeed many safety organisations - though mostly this is all they can do).  I think this is because:

a) we can.  It's the least we could do (apart from literally nothing).  Can be done quickly, will only be done for a short time, minimal cost and little political embarrassment if the public ignore it.  Such campaigns don't require expensive, long-term or technical stuff like rebuilding our public spaces, introducing new laws or re-directing the police/legal system.

b) it seems logical - the cars and bikes aren't (yet) driving themselves, so the issue is the people.  So just persuade them to change behaviour - simple, right?  Plus by introspection we know that what we, our family and friends do is reasonable and obviously not part of the problem.

Unfortunately history shows us that in this case it's not going to happen without other push and pull factors.  This is a self-reinforcing cycle - inadequate provision for cycling / cyclists being a minority (an "other") means than almost no-one cycles, which means ...

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Hirsute | 4 months ago
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Hope to see a story on this one road.cc

Cyclist threatened with legal action for trademark infringement.

Balck belt barrister does a demolition job in polite terms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sskav4IEuaQ

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DeelitedManchester replied to Hirsute | 4 months ago
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The headline for the video got me a little worried at first as I have posted a couple of videos where I have put the logo of the drivers' employer within my uploads.  But as I watched Mr BBB do his analysis, I felt quite relieved.

But what is more worrying to me are the comments under his video.  I know and appreciate that there's a lot of twisted thinking out there, but I was surprised at how much of that unpleasantness was coming from subscribers of the BBB.

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LeadenSkies replied to Hirsute | 4 months ago
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I am not surprised at all. Other replies on a video by BBB try to tell him his advice has no legal basis!

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to Hirsute | 4 months ago
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The one thing I will say for BBB is that he is much more straight talking that a lot of the "lawyers" on Social Media (Mr [Arse]Loophole springs to mind)

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hawkinspeter replied to Hirsute | 4 months ago
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Hirsute wrote:

Hope to see a story on this one road.cc

Cyclist threatened with legal action for trademark infringement.

Balck belt barrister does a demolition job in polite terms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sskav4IEuaQ

I watched that and now, I want the cyclist to apply for an injunction if only so that the company gets saddled with thousands of pounds of legal costs.

It's beyond stupid for a company to threaten trademark infringement rather than just apologising for the poor driving skill of their van driver (they could have said some platitudes about retraining etc.).

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wtjs replied to hawkinspeter | 4 months ago
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they could have said some platitudes about retraining etc.

More likely to be worthless platitudes like 'we take this seriously and have taken action, but we're not going to tell what it was'. That means they have done nothing at all.

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Pub bike replied to hawkinspeter | 4 months ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

I watched that and now, I want the cyclist to apply for an injunction if only so that the company gets saddled with thousands of pounds of legal costs.

Me too but I expect the company knows a few tricks about how to quickly liquidate to avoid liability so in practice the cyclist would never get their money back.

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hawkinspeter replied to Pub bike | 4 months ago
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Pub bike wrote:

Me too but I expect the company knows a few tricks about how to quickly liquidate to avoid liability so in practice the cyclist would never get their money back.

IANAL, but usually there's exceptions for court ordered payments, so I'd expect the director could be held personally responsible for the legal bills even after the company is liquidated.

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mctrials23 | 4 months ago
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I of course like most cyclists just wantonly cycle exactly how I would were there no cars on the road trying to kill me. I don't ride defensively 100% of the time around cars and avoid countless "accidents" I would be part of if I didn't. 

Thank god those sweet innocent motorists that pull across me have judged perfectly that I was going to slam on my brakes whether they were there or not. There but for the grace of god...

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