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Wanted: Cycling knickers

Hi everyone,

The move to traditional bikes and clothing from ten years back seems to be fairly over. Even its foremeost proponents have largely moved away from their own re-discoveries.
Thus it seems that even Rene Herse are not doing their cycling knickers anymore; in any case they're not listed in their shop any longer, even "out of stock", as would normally be the case were they only temporarily unavailable.
My own first pair (from 2016, under their old  brand Compass) are now beyond repair. And I dont' find any replacements that don't have a look far too sporty (like the Endura Humvee, with synthetic-looking fabrics, huge logos, lots of ungainly seams...), or too Victorian, or... Anyway they really do need to have a fairly cycling specific cut, so it's not just about any hiking or hunting knickers that'll fit the bill.

These items are pretty essential to my cycling wardrobe, in fact they're indispensable. So I'll keep hoping they turn up again on the RH website, but in the almost unthinkable case they don't, does anyone have any suggestions? At all?

Many thanks indeed,
Martin

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JLasTSR | 6 days ago
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Perhaps Google what you fancy. Cycling corduroys, cycling jeans, cycling chino's. They are all out there.

Personally I just cycle in my normal attire. Managed my first century last year. I did wear a shirt and tie as well as chinos for that occasion. It was 32 centigrade that day. I do have a cycling jacket and waterproof for winter. 

I think there are two pairs of trousers I cannot cycle in. Both have a prominent seam in just the wrong place and give you a saddle sore after 10 miles or so. 

I do wear two pairs of boxers on long rides, one pair close fitting so they stay stationary against the skin and one pair looser so they move a bit less than the trouser. Seems to work for me. 

Laksen Cottonwood Breeks look quite good for lightweight cotton breeks. They may also do a goretex version. 

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marmotte27 replied to JLasTSR | 6 days ago
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Well you got there in your last para.

Im very interested in natural fibres for sports clothing, and I'm trying to get rid by and by of synthetics from mw wardrobe. The knickers are one exception for the time being. On the upper body I'm pretty happy to wear merino wool as a inner or outer layer even in rain, as it will stay warm even when wet.
But merino is on the whole too fragile for bottoms, and I'm not sure about wet tweed and cotton for the legs in constant movement when pedalling. I'm not sure I'd invest like here £200 to just try, hence this thread to garner some information.
I know for example that in Japan some perfectionist cyclist go the whole hog and really dress like cyclists from the golden era, but firsthand information about their experiences is hard to come by.

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JLasTSR replied to marmotte27 | 6 days ago
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I have a pair of the Laksen breeks you can get them for £98 if you shop about. I haven't worn them for cycling but I have worn them in the rain and they are comfortable. You mention tweed I can say that if there is a breeze good Tweed dries as fast as it is getting wet so you stay strangely aware it is damp but comfortable. 

As chino's and cords are both comfortable for me to cycle in I would say try a pair of your own everyday wear and if they are comfortable go for it. 

Cheapest I could find https://www.williamevans.com/products/sale/laksen-cottonwoods-mens-breeks?colourid=5728&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwztOwBhD7ARIsAPDKnkB4Yqu-fkDmZ_i3Sc_4QleaqFjL__J2zW-rZwT0G3HKqdR387KRFM8aAinyEALw_wcB

These are technical ones with a waterproof membrane https://www.fieldsmiths.co.uk/clothing/trousers-and-breeks/laksen-bransdale-ctx-breeks-in-olive-green__158?currency=GBP&chosenAttribute=2249-36&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwztOwBhD7ARIsAPDKnkAfD9RsvT6SaKjXLJzFp0mjYVO96LyWE8XxieL4pPjkoaMrdvcG8lwaAhxdEALw_wcB

I also saw some Grand Bois ones but could not seem to find an outlet locally. 

There are tailor made ones such as these https://www.spencers-trousers.com/product-category/breeks/ I think they would take your ones and cut them the same if you ask them to and price is not too bad for Tailor made. 

 

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marmotte27 replied to JLasTSR | 5 days ago
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Sounds interesting, thanks for sharing your experience.

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David9694 | 1 week ago
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marmotte27 replied to David9694 | 1 week ago
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Interesting product, though not quite what I'm looking for (they lack the "dressed" look I'm aiming for).

A friend of mine has got himself a pair of Hilltrek breeches, they look good. I'll see what he says about the Ventile in tems of fit for cycling, comfort, weight and especially feel when wet...

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marmotte27 replied to don simon fbpe | 1 week ago
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Thanks,
Can't find anything on the giro page. The swerve has already been posted, asI said, could be an alternative.
Citation from the velocity page:
"Women’s specific, cycling specific capri trousers – that look just as good on and off your bike".
While men have to look shite, both on and off? Ironic how the "women care less about the activity but about how they look doing it" stereotype plays out here...

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mattw | 2 weeks ago
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I suspect that getting something like cycling chinos, and having them altered, may be the best option here. In my neck of the woods, the alteration would be around £10 probably including a clip.

Other things I can see that may do the job are:

Zip off hiking trousers?
Plus 2s or Plus 4s?

But the spec will be different to cycling clothing, depending on the sport.

My habit has been to buy cycling clothing then use it as day-to-day.

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mattw replied to mattw | 2 weeks ago
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Hmmmm.

Sport Pursut have a small selection of what they call "convertible" / "zipoff or z/o" trousers - as usual decent brands 50-70% off, but these are zipoff long shorts rather than below-the-knee so might not meet the requirement.

Prices from about £16 down from £50 to £50- down from £110.

https://www.sportpursuit.com/clothing/trousers-shorts-tights?sp_nav=ct-6...
 

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marmotte27 replied to mattw | 1 week ago
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"I suspect that getting something like cycling chinos, and having them altered, may be the best option here."
Yes, that's another option.

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Steve K | 3 weeks ago
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brooksby replied to Steve K | 3 weeks ago
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Very nice, but you definitely need to go up a size for them to fit properly 

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Steve K replied to brooksby | 3 weeks ago
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Why?

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brooksby replied to Steve K | 3 weeks ago
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They're quite a slim fit.

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Steve K replied to brooksby | 3 weeks ago
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I'm not sure those ones are - they also do a slim fit version, but these are regular fit (or reguler according to the URL)

(I've got a pair of their regular fit jeans and they are regular fit.)

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brooksby replied to Steve K | 3 weeks ago
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Hmm… (sets reminder to check the label on his pair)

 

(edit) - turns out mine are indeed slim fit.  That explains a lot (not sure how I accidentally ordered 'slim fit' instead of 'middle-aged man fit', but hey…).

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marmotte27 replied to Steve K | 3 weeks ago
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Thanks. Have these on the radar amongst the things to look into if the RH dont turn up anymore. Thanks also about the fit issue
How do they dry after a ride through the rain?

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Steve K replied to marmotte27 | 3 weeks ago
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marmotte27 wrote:

Thanks. Have these on the radar amongst the things to look into if the RH dont turn up anymore. Thanks also about the fit issue How do they dry after a ride through the rain?

No idea, I'm afraid.  I have got (and am currently wearing) a pair of their 3/4 length jeans, but not got the cotton ones.  I am now considering buying a pair, though.

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HoarseMann | 4 weeks ago
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For a while cycling was the new golf. So maybe Golf knickers could be the new cycling knickers? They are at least, ahem, hi-vis...

https://www.royalandawesome.co.uk/mens/golf-plus-twos

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mattw | 4 weeks ago
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We really need to fix this terminological abuse.

Knickers, like pants, belong on the inside, not the outside.

We are not Superman.

And we are definitely not Usonian. If we were, about 4x as many of us would be dead.

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marmotte27 replied to mattw | 4 weeks ago
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Yeah well, terminology here follows the US usage, the equivalent English terms seem to be confined to the tweed run or Etsy these days.

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john_smith replied to marmotte27 | 4 weeks ago
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Since when? Knickers are  ladies' underwear. What else would they be?

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Rendel Harris replied to john_smith | 3 weeks ago
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john_smith wrote:

Since when? Knickers are  ladies' underwear. What else would they be?

Actually the US first came up with the term knicker(bocker)s to describe 3/4 length trousers in the early part of the 19th century (derived from Dutch immigrants to New York who carried on wearing kneebreeches long after full-length trousers became fashionable) and it was later adopted by the British to describe ladies' undergarments of the same style, so our cousins across the pond do actually have the earlier claim to its use.

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don simon fbpe replied to john_smith | 2 weeks ago
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Knickerbockers or knickers in US, you should travel more, it broadens the mind.

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mattw replied to mattw | 4 weeks ago
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I think it's Yanks dreaming of being Superman.

They need Y-Fronts to wear outside their pants.

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marmotte27 replied to mattw | 3 weeks ago
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And have you got anything constructive to contribute?

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Bigtwin replied to mattw | 3 weeks ago
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Except bib knickers has been a common cycling term in the UK for decades, and has never meant Y-fronts or Sloggi's with trouser braces attached...

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marmotte27 | 1 month ago
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Update for the RH knickers: they may come back some day, but the question is when (I haven't found anything satisfactory in the meantime).

https://www.renehersecycles.com/etas-for-out-of-stock-products-2/

"The Rene Herse cyclotouring knickers have many fans. There are times when it just doesn’t feel right to enter restaurants, shops or museums dressed only in tight-fitting cycling shorts. The sophisticated cut of these knickers doesn’t inhibit performance—above I’m wearing them in Paris-Brest-Paris.

The intricate nature of these knickers makes them very hard to sew. The small workshop in Seattle that used to make them for us is busy with other, simpler projects. So there will be no more until we find a new supplier.

This is a problem with many of our products: Their superior performance also makes them very hard to manufacture. We are a small customer for most of our suppliers, yet we demand the highest quality standards."

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