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"Just build bike lanes": Autonomous gondola pods are "here to revolutionise transport" — but not everybody's convinced; Shedgate 2: Cyclist forced to dismantle "beautiful" bike shed; Worrying drink driving figures; Ineos Hotspur? + more on the live blog

The shortest day of the year but no excuses for the shortest live blog... Dan Alexander will be bringing you your Wednesday fix
21 December 2022, 17:33
Have a great evening!

The live blog will be back same time and place tomorrow, potentially with Shedgate updates, an accurate translation for Wout's cryptic Strava caption and just about anything and everything else bike-related and worth procrastinating from work over...

See you then!

21 December 2022, 17:28
More monorail reaction... sorry I mean... *checks notes* Swyft Cities' "innovative mobility project"

Plenty of Simpsons memes going around in response to this one...

If you can't beat 'em, join them...

Doesn't mean I or 90 per cent of the repliers are sold though... 

21 December 2022, 09:03
"Just build bike lanes": Autonomous gondola pods are "here to revolutionise transport" — but not everybody's convinced

First it was Elon Musk saying he'd send traffic underground, now it's this transport tech company who reckon a network of autonomous gondola pods is the way forward... which is going down as well as you might expect...

Founded by former Google employees, Swyft Cities is, the company says, a way to "bring innovative mobility to public and private real estate projects". Selling the gondola dream as modular, sustainable, low cost and efficient (like, I don't know, a bicycle?) Swyft shows computer-generated images of what a network could look like by "freeing up land" and taking journeys to the sky.

Gondola system (screenshot Swyft Cities/Twitter)

In short, we're seeing a snarled up road below, and pods above. So, how did the good people of cycling Twitter react to this "innovative" transport solution...

21 December 2022, 17:22
Dutch cycle busses
21 December 2022, 15:21
Wout van Aert and new teammate Dylan van Baarle plot a big one

Check out who was checking out Roubaix today...

 

With none other than...

 

A ride name which apparently cryptically means 'It is a thick device' (according to Google Translate)... anyone with even the slightest modicum of Dutch-speaking abilities please get yourself in the comments ASAP...
 

21 December 2022, 14:59
"I found the bins on the driveway more ugly and out of place than the shed"

Time for some of your comments on the day's events, starting with Shedgate 2...

hirsute: "I found the bins on the driveway more ugly and out of place than the shed."

EddyBerckx: "The bike shed looks great and you can guarantee that front garden looks neater than most in that road... especially if front 'drives' are allowed."

Let me introduce you to the rest of the street...

Salisbury bike shed location

HoarseMann: "In the bike shed article on the Salisbury Journal link, in the comments someone has noted that there is a planning officer at the council with the same name as one of the complainants. This complainant refers to council policy 'CP57' in their complaint, which seems to infer a bit of knowledge about the process.

"Then another complainant explains they wouldn't have said anything before they were invited to comment! Does have a slight whiff of some insider knowledge of the planning process. All above board I would guess, even if that was the case.

"As someone else suggests, just plonk a battered caravan there instead."

Literally around the corner...

Salisbury bike shed location

brooksby: "I can't see what's wrong with that bike shed anyway — looks neat and tidy, and it's way smaller than a parked car."

 Elsewhere on the live blog, Sniffer points out "I don't think Tao or Geraint are going to be pleased" about Ineos Grenadier 4x4's new partnership with the other north London lot...

While eburtthebike had some thoughts on the ingenious gondola...

"It may be a tribute to human ingenuity that so many otherwise intelligent people keep re-inventing the wheel with increasingly clever alternatives to the private car, but it's also depressing that they can't see the answer when it's been obvious for so many years. Swyft Cities are merely the latest in a very long line of transport systems looking for a problem to solve, when the solution is right in front of their eyes.

"It's rather like electric cars, they won't solve any of the problems of mass car use and will create serious problems of their own, but try getting the media to mention anything else. 

"Buses, trams, cycling, walking, all vastly better solutions than e-cars but are pretty much banned from the media. I listen to quite a bit of Radio 4 and yet again, e-cars featured on You and Yours, for the 3,000,001th* time; I still haven't heard them feature bikes.

"*An exaggeration of course; I added the 1."

21 December 2022, 13:36
A familiar tale...
21 December 2022, 12:18
But what if I need to move a sofa?

Sofa-r so good... 

21 December 2022, 12:00
One in ten Brits admit to knowingly drink driving home from Christmas party
Beer taps (copyrighht Simon MacMichael)

Research from iCompario suggests that millions of Brits have driven home drunk from their work's Christmas party. The concerning figures come as the result of a survey involving 1,000 UK adults who drive and found that 17 per cent of men admitted to drink driving at Christmas, versus six per cent of women.

When extended to the wider population, the survey results suggest, iCompario says, that as many as 4.5 million UK drivers have broken the law by driving under the influence after a Christmas event, while up to 1.6 million (four per cent) have knowingly driven home over the limit after a Christmas party on more than one occasion.

> Drunk driver who crashed into cyclist, breaking his neck, walks free from court

The findings also highlighted that men are much more likely to drink drive at Christmas than women. Almost one in five men have done so, compared to just over one in 20 women (six per cent). One in seven (13 per cent) admitted that whilst they haven’t driven home from a festive do over the legal limit, they have got into the car with someone who was.

21 December 2022, 11:16
2022 Specialized Allez Sprint | Dream build staff bike
21 December 2022, 10:41
Tottenham Hotspur announce the Ineos Grenadier as Official 4x4 Vehicle Partner

So, the supposed Manchester United-supporting billionaire who was confusingly interested in buying Chelsea now pumps money into Tottenham Hotspur through a '4x4 Vehicle Partner' (because every top sports team needs one of them)...

It's almost like Sir Jim Ratcliffe ain't a football fan and cares more about his business' bank balance?! Surely not...

I wouldn't go asking the Ineos boys for any tips on scoring penalties, mind...

> "We'll stick to what we do best!": Geraint Thomas won't be getting a World Cup call up on this evidence 

21 December 2022, 09:54
Shortest day of the year

On the plus side we're on the way back to those long summer evenings... just three months of indoor training to go...

21 December 2022, 09:23
Shedgate 2: Cyclist forced to dismantle "beautiful" bike shed

The Salisbury Journal reports a resident has been ordered to dismantle his "beautiful bespoke wooden bike shed" following complaints from neighbours and an unsuccessful planning application.

Nick Arnold told the Journal, who have pictures of the shed in their coverage, he built the £2,000 shed "in good faith" as he had "nowhere to store our bikes" but now will be forced to "pay someone to dismantle it".

The city council described the structure as "unsightly", with neighbours branding it an "eyesore" and "poorly integrated with the house" during the planning application.

Built by a professional carpenter the shed was, Mr Arnold said, "sustainable and environmentally friendly but we've been told it's not in keeping with the rest of the house".

We've been here before...

While the latest 'shedgate' protagonist doesn't intend to appeal the decision, last May we covered the story of a family from Leicester who were finally granted planning approval for their similar bike storage shed.

Leicester shed via Facebook

That decision came after the story gained widespread coverage and even the Mayor of Leicester expressed support for the family, saying the city council's planning officers "got it wrong".

Dan is the road.cc news editor and has spent the past four years writing stories and features, as well as (hopefully) keeping you entertained on the live blog. Having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for the Non-League Paper, Dan joined road.cc in 2020. Come the weekend you'll find him labouring up a hill, probably with a mouth full of jelly babies, or making a bonk-induced trip to a south of England petrol station... in search of more jelly babies.

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cmedred | 1 year ago
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Geez, for £2,000 Mr. Arnold could have bought a clunker van, left it permanently parked in the street in front of his house, and used that as a bike shed. And he would have saved the space in his yard. 

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mattw | 1 year ago
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This is the Salisbury shed. The bloke cocked it up.

 

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chrisonabike replied to mattw | 1 year ago
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It looks fine to me - I'd say aesthetically the house is uglier - but I'm not a planning officer.  If the idea was "get away with what I'm not technically allowed" he's not exactly hidden it ...

I'm with everyone else - he should have just erected something really big and ugly but legal.  (For "legal" see the perils of trying to hide stuff - like this chap).

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brooksby replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

(For "legal" see the perils of trying to hide stuff - like this chap).

Or that bloke who built an enormous 'man cave' that was like 10,000 square feet, and then threw his toys out of the pram when he didn't get retrospective planning consent.

(Can't be bothered to google it).

I've said it before - I honestly cannot see what the problem is with this shed, except 'bikes, innit'.

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mattw replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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The problem is that it is built in front of the main elevation, which is not allowed without planning permission. 

In the piece in the Salisbury paper it is put thusly:

A mistake had been made regarding the front elevation

It's a detached property with a side passage and a back garden, where it would be more secure anyway. Chap did not do his homework and/or failed to supervise his workmen properly.  

I don't really see the point of putting up an abortion and spoiling the appearance of his own property out of spite, when all he has to do is accept his error, go legal, move it somewhere more sensible, and get on with his life enjoying his stable of bicycles. Far better than punching himself in the head for the sake of it.

There's not really much more to be said.

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to mattw | 1 year ago
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Quote:

It's a detached property with a side passage and a back garden, where it would be more secure anyway.

Although side pathway is up several steps, so depending on the bikes they might be hard to get up the steps / along the side of the house, especially if they have wide handlebars on. 

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mattw replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 1 year ago
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Hmmm.

I see also the 2 driveways and the 6 dustbins.  1

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to mattw | 1 year ago
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You also see a garage on the front, but they also filled that in (badly as well according to the complainants moaning about the shed.)

I wonder if that has also been ordered to be changed.

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mattw | 1 year ago
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Shedgate (Salisbury) man can't Appeal any decisions, because he withdrew his planning application before any decision was made - as far as I can see.

He needs to rebuild it in his back garden, and wheel his bike down the path.

I'd say the whole thing was a PR stunt aiming to embarrass the Council into doing what he wanted.

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Richard D | 1 year ago
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In the second of those two shed photos, I count six larger items that look a good deal less attractive being stored on public property, and one nice shed on private property.

Yes, there is a problem here - but it is with the six, not with the one.

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OnYerBike replied to Richard D | 1 year ago
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(Just FYI, the pictures on this road.cc page are of the previously-reported-on shed in Leicester which was granted permission on appeal. The new case, in Salisbury, is pictured on the linked Salisbury Journal article).

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Hirsute replied to OnYerBike | 1 year ago
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I found the bins on the driveway more ugly and out of place than the shed.

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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It looks like bunk beds in the one downstairs room in streetview. Large family, hence the need for multiple bins?
 

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Hirsute replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 1 year ago
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Still ugly ! He should build a little shed to put them in.

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Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Use the cycle lane !

https://youtu.be/wOUaR3E3MFY?t=12

I'll leave to simoninspalding to count the cars as he seems to need something to do this afternoon !

 

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brooksby replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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OMG - is that a cycle lane??? 

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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No, it's not, obviously - it would be pointless.  Yes of course it is - what's the problem?  This is a useful cycle lane being entirely legally used for parking.

Even though it has a solid white line it's quite possible that's entirely legal - especially since they've marked a single yellow line and kerb flashes - so you have to check the signs to see.  (Unless those were leftovers from before creation and they didn't double them).

Apart from anything else it also depends when the cycle lane was created!

Plenty of parking to be seen in Edinburgh's bus and cycle lanes.  Again, often legal as far as I can see - indeed parking spots are marked in many bus lanes!

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eburtthebike | 1 year ago
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It may be a tribute to human ingenuity that so many otherwise intelligent people keep re-inventing the wheel with increasingly clever alternatives to the private car, but it's also depressing that they can't see the answer when it's been obvious for so many years.  Swyft Cities are merely the latest in a very long line of transport systems looking for a problem to solve, when the solution is right in front of their eyes.

It's rather like electric cars, they won't solve any of the problems of mass car use and will create serious problems of their own, but try getting the media to mention anything else.  Buses, trams, cycling, walking, all vastly better solutions than ecars but are pretty much banned from the media.  I listen to quite a bit of R4 and yet again, ecars featured on You and Yours, for the 3,000,001th* time; I still haven't heard them feature bikes.

 

*An exaggeration of course; I added the 1.

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Seagull2 replied to eburtthebike | 1 year ago
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we might have these in the bike lanes with us before too long  ...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfaQloeSroc

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Seagull2 | 1 year ago
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Nah, walking shoes so pavements. Just sounds like a kickstarter scam to me anyway. "AI" controlled? Inspired after a near death experience when walking. WTF? And the sly foot movements used for the steps shows it would be easy to turn on and off accidently when using them.

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TheBillder replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 1 year ago
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SimoninSpalding replied to Seagull2 | 1 year ago
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they might look like just another set of strap on electric rollerskates...?

The bit where you have approach stairs with caution and switch them off is quite concerning, but I notice they didn't sho them going downstairs, that has a serious likelihood of going wrong in a big way.

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eburtthebike replied to Seagull2 | 1 year ago
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Seagull2 wrote:

we might have these in the bike lanes with us before too long  ...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfaQloeSroc

I'm sure they'll be as popular as Segways.

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SimoninSpalding replied to eburtthebike | 1 year ago
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But how will a bunch of otherwise unemployed software engineers make a living from bikes? I am not sure cable crs are the answer to their desire for money either, but they are giving it a good go on their twitter feed I see.

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chrisonabike replied to eburtthebike | 1 year ago
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Bunch of techies in "hmm... we can improve something by more complex technology" shocker.

TBH all humans dream of flying.  Most lean towards magic carpets of some form - hoverboards, autonomous vehicles, planes, cars...  The secret is the closest most of us will get to flying is that century-old technology, the cycle.  Which just happens to be the fairest, most efficient* and least obnoxious of the lot.

* Yeah I know someone's demonstrated it is electric unicycles at low speeds...

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EddyBerckx | 1 year ago
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The bike shed looks great and you can guarantee that front garden looks neater than most in that road...especially if front 'drives' are allowed.

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to EddyBerckx | 1 year ago
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Actually from pre-shed Streetview, I thought the garden looked cluttered with all the brick work. Granted it is on a slope but if it looked that bad before, I don't think the shed made much difference anyway. As someone in the comments mentioned they thought it was bin storage, I wonder if he could have gotten away with it being lower. 

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mattw replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 1 year ago
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Thanks for that.

I did not realise he had a garage as well !

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to mattw | 1 year ago
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Mentioned in other post, the garage was filled in at the same time he did shed as the application complaints were about that as well according to the links to those. 

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Backladder replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 1 year ago
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Looking at the satellite view they used to have a caravan parked there so surely the shed is better than that?

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