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“Good to see those who don’t pay road tax getting priority”: New “unsafe” Dutch-style roundabout will add 45 minutes to journeys in hilly city where “most people can’t cycle”, confused drivers say + more on the live blog

It’s Wednesday and Ryan Mallon’s back with your daily dose of cycling news and views on the middle-of-the-week live blog
13:29
Pro cycling logic: 4 Jours de Dunkerque changes from six-day stage race to two separate events, featuring a five-day stage race plus one-day race

Believe it or not, in a classic case of cycling weirdness, the Four Days of Dunkirk stage race hasn’t lasted for four days for over 60 years.

But things are about to get even weirder for 2025.

In a bid to attract team with the prospect of more juicy UCI points, the six-day flat stage race, won last year by Sam Bennett, is set to be split into two separate events next May: a one-day race, followed by a slightly shortened five-day stage race.

But both races will still be called the Four Days of Dunkirk… Got it?

And the UCI wonders why football fans struggle to get into cycling…

12:36
“Calling on drivers to ‘show consideration’ is not enough”: Sustrans slams Northern Ireland government for failing to implement pavement and cycle lane parking ban – and instead asking motorists to “take a moment and think before you park”

As live blog regulars will know all too well, Belfast’s drivers have a certain flair for blocking cycle lanes and pavements.

In fact, if you took a quick spin around the city right now, you’d find a litany of examples of bike routes and footpaths littered with abandoned vehicles.

Like this one, from Monday’s blog

Belfast cycle lane parking (Quintin Oliver)

Or this one:

Belfast cycle lane parking (Caroline Bloomfield)

And this sideways, ‘fill the cycle lane at all costs’ classic:

Cycle lane parking in Belfast (credit - Dominic Bryan, Twitter)

> New barriers on infamous ‘car park’ cycle lane vandalised, as councillor calls for “robust” protection “before someone gets seriously hurt”

Oh, and this regular cycle lane blocking sight outside a popular food van:

Faced with a pavement parking endemic, Northern Ireland’s Department for Infrastructure launched a consultation on the matter, which saw the majority of respondents call for a general pavement parking ban in the city, to clamp down on these selfish motorists.

So, what did the department do? It sent out a social media post asking drivers to #thinkbeforeyoupark, and to “please park with consideration for everyone including those who walk, wheel, or cycle”.

“We’re calling on drivers to show consideration for others in our society when parking,” the DfI said in the post.

“This includes not: Blocking access to properties with your vehicle; Parking partially or wholly on a pavements unless signs permit it; Parking on cycle lanes during times of operation; Parking in spaces for designated users e.g. disabled parking bays.

“Please take a moment and think before you park.”

> “If they can’t build cycle lanes, devolve bloody powers to us and we’ll do it”: Belfast Council slams Northern Ireland government’s “joke” delivery of cycling infrastructure – as just 2.8km of bike lanes installed in two years

This thoughts and prayers approach to illegal parking was, unsurprisingly, condemned by active travel charity Sustrans’ Northern Ireland branch.

“Calling on drivers to ‘show consideration’ is not enough,” the charity wrote.

“You carried out a consultation, with the majority of respondents calling for a general pavement parking ban. What was the point of it?”

Well, considering the Northern Ireland government’s longstanding and much-maligned approach to active travel – just today, plans to pedestrianise a small, narrow street in Belfast’s buzzing Cathedral Quarter have been put on hold due to “underfunding” – the question may rightly be asked: What’s the point of the Department for Infrastructure?

08:08
West Bar Dutch-style roundabout plans (Sheffield City Council)
“Good to see those who don’t pay road tax getting priority”: New “unsafe” Dutch-style roundabout will create “chaos” and add 45 minutes to journeys in hilly city where “most people can’t cycle”, confused drivers say

Next month, Sheffield’s cyclists will get their first taste of what it’s like to cycle in the Netherlands (kind of), when the city’s first-ever ‘Dutch-style’ roundabout is completed.

First introduced in the UK in Cambridge in 2020 and based on a design made popular in the Netherlands (hence the name), the new roundabout layout at West Bar in Sheffield, work on which began in April last year, offers priority to cyclists and pedestrians, with motorists asked to give way to more vulnerable road users on entering and exiting the roundabout.

Zebra crossings are installed at each arm of the roundabout, giving pedestrians priority over drivers, while a one-way protected cycle lane will move clockwise around the infrastructure, providing dedicated space for those on bikes.

These two new features, Sheffield City Council says, will also manage the speed of traffic using the roundabout, “increasing safety for everyone”.

However, judging by some of the comments made on social media and on local radio, it’ll take a while before everyone in Sheffield is convinced.

“Let’s make it safe for all road users, let’s put a system in place that nobody has used before. What could possibly go wrong?” asked Sheffield United fan Bulmer on Twitter.

“A zebra crossing on the exit of a roundabout. That’s not going to cause any accidents, is it?” echoed SJT.

“Good to see those not paying any road tax are being given priority on the road,” added Andy Cutts. Classic.

“I’m all for these roundabouts, but I’m concerned that drivers don’t know how to negotiate them,” another Twitter user said.

> More collisions at UK's first Dutch-style roundabout than old layout, figures reveal

And on BBC Radio Sheffield, some listeners claimed the roundabout would cause the same “chaos” witnessed in Cambridge since 2020.

Last year, figures provided by Cambridgeshire County Council showed that there were more reported collisions at the Dutch-style roundabout in its first three years (ten, three of which were serious) than in the years prior on the old layout (six).

However, the council was also keen to point out that the number of cyclists using the roundabout had increased by almost 50 per cent since 2017, meaning those on bicycles accounted for 11.4 per cent of all traffic users in 2022. Equally, pedestrian usage had also risen by about 30 per cent.

Fendon Road, Cambridge, Dutch roundabout (Cambridgeshire County Council)

One Radio Sheffield listen told the programme that she lived in Cambridge for two years and described it as “chaos”.

“On average it put 45 minutes on a journey. Terrible idea, locals avoid it and call it crazy,” she said.

“This roundabout was proven to be unsafe in Cambridge,” fellow Sheffield-resident Richard added. “Someone needs to tell the council that Sheffield is built on seven very high hills and most people can't ride a cycle here.”

> Tory activist criticised for “anti-cyclist” and “jingoistic” opposition to new roundabout

However, the outlook wasn’t all doom and gloom as the West Bar roundabout nears its big unveiling.

“Yes, they’re brilliant. Well done for putting one in,” cycling campaigner Dan Brothwell said on Twitter.

“I’m looking forward to this being finished. It will make it much safer and pleasanter to cycle through that area,” another user said.

“All the comments moaning – Go to Europe and see how it’s done,” added Gary. “It’s a proven method and works perfectly fine. The only reason it doesn’t work is because the driver doesn’t understand or doesn’t want to!”

Meanwhile, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (RoSPA) said the roundabout layout has been found to have reduced serious incidents in the Netherlands by about 46 per cent.

“Giving equal precedence to all road users such as cyclists, as well as pedestrians, creates a more inclusive environment while maintaining smooth vehicle flow,” Caitlin Taylor, road safety manager at RoSPA, said.

“However, educating drivers will be crucial to prevent confusion and incidents, and clear signage and awareness campaigns will also be essential to ensure all road users understand the new layout.”

Sheffield Dutch roundabout (Sheffield City Council)

Cycling UK, however, noted that while the plans are a positive step in the right direction, cycling can only be properly encouraged in Sheffield by a well-connected network of safe routes in the city.

“While these changes help make it safer for people cycling, unless they’re part of a comprehensive, joined-up network of safe cycle lanes, we won’t see a surge in people getting on their bikes,” Cycling UK’s Sheffield-based senior policy officer Monica Scigliano said in a statement.

“If we truly want to encourage more people to make their everyday local journeys by bike, it’s crucial that well-designed cycle lanes connect to other local networks beyond the city centre.”

However, the local council is adamant the new Dutch-style roundabout forms part of broader plans to do exactly that.

“Sheffield is changing, and the way people get around is also transforming, we’re making it safer, easier and greener for you to enjoy everything the city has to offer,” the local authority’s transport chair Ben Miskell said.

“The introduction of the new Dutch-style roundabout will continue that, linking in perfectly with award-winning Grey to Green offering along with our other regeneration projects at Castlegate, Attercliffe, West Bar and Heart of the City among many others.”

11:58
‘Miss, Miss, can we bunk off school for a few hours to watch Tadej, Demi, and Remco on a training ride? Please?!’
11:39
“Pavements are for people, but more and more people are using e-bikes on them”

Cyclists have accused walking and wheeling charity Living Streets of pandering to the “culture war” over electric bikes, after a councillor shared an email from the charity asking its members to reach out if they had a “negative” experience with e-bikes or e-scooters, ahead of a Sky News segment on the issue.

However, Living Streets has explained to road.cc that their stance is based on “illegally modified e-bikes and riding e-bikes dangerously on the pavement”, while reiterating that “pavements are for people” and that cycling on them is illegal.

Confiscated e-bikes

Read more: > Cyclists accuse Living Streets of stoking “culture war” over electric bikes, but walking charity claims it is only opposed to “illegally modified e-bikes and riding e-bikes dangerously on pavements”

10:55
Elynor Backstedt, Pfeiffer Georgi and Anna Shackley of Great Britain, 2023 mixed relay world championships (Ian MacNicol/SWpix.com)
Mixed Relay Madness: Is the world championship’s oddest event set to be the most exciting race yet?

It’s fair to say that, since being introduced in 2019 in Yorkshire, the mixed team time trial relay hasn’t quite captured the imagination of cycling fans around the world.

In fact, my main memories of last year’s mixed relay in Glasgow consist of awkwardly hanging about the warm-up tent behind the start ramp, nearly bumping into André Greipel, and watching Stefan Bissegger knock back a couple of beers while bored out of his skull at the post-race press conference.

The race itself? Errrr, not so much (apart from Marlen Reusser’s crash, to be fair).

UCI world championships mixed relay course

But all that apathy could change dramatically this morning, as the 20 nations participating in today’s mixed relay TTT are set to take on the hardest course yet – a 53.6km brute containing 894 metres of climbing and featuring a loop each for the men and women of the tough city circuit that will define the weekend’s road races.

That means an ascent each of the 1.1km-long, eight per cent Zürichbergstrasse and the longer 2.3km Witikon hill, which averages 5.7 per cent.

And which also means the potential for gaps to open as riders struggle and each nation’s pair of three-rider teams attempt to keep things tight, with the time taken on the second rider to cross the line – so there’s very little margin for error on a course so hilly.

Though reigning champions Switzerland (featuring Bissegger and Elise Chabbey) will certainly back themselves on home roads, they’re without Reusser as she recovers from a long-term illness, which leaves the race wide open.

A very strong Italy team consisting of Filippo Ganna, Edoardo Affini (second and third in the men’s individual time trial on Sunday), Mattia Cattaneo, Elisa Longo Borghini, Soraya Paladin, and Gaia Realini will surely fancy themselves for gold, as will an on-fire Australia team led by world and Olympic champ Grace Brown and backed by Michae Matthews, Ben O’Connor, Jay Vine, Brodie Chapman, and Roby Roseman-Gannon.

But don’t discount Juliette Labous and Bruno Amirail-led France, a very powerful Danish team, or the United States either.

Could we finally have the first mixed relay TTT cracker on our hands this afternoon?

And even if the racing isn’t great, as we saw at the European championships a few weeks ago or back in 2022 in Wollongong when Annemiek van Vleuten crashed right at the start, fracturing her elbow (and we all know what happened a few days later), you can always count on the mixed relay for some kind of drama, anyway.

09:29
2024 Milan-San Remo (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Women’s version of Milan-Sanremo to take place in 2025, reports suggest, as Trofeo Alfredo Binda set to move dates to accommodate La Primavera

You know that long, interminable portion of Milan-Sanremo when nothing really happens (basically the first 240km)?

Well, we’re on the cusp of finally being given a reason to avert our gaze from the gently rolling peloton, as reports from Belgium suggest that race organisers RCS are set to confirm that a women’s version of La Primavera will return to the calendar for the first time in two decades in 2025, and take place on the same day as the men’s monument.

2024 Milan-San Remo finish (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

Jasper Philipsen wins this year’s men’s Milan-Sanremo ahead of Michael Matthews and Tadej Pogačar (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)

A women’s Sanremo, called the Primavera Rosa, was briefly held from 1999 to 2005, and featured the final 118km of the traditional route, culminating in the iconic Cipressa and Poggio finale.

But with other major classics such as Paris-Roubaix and Liège-Bastogne-Liège capitalising on the growth of women’s cycling over the past decade, there have been steady murmurings in recent years that Sanremo was set to make a return to the women’s scene, especially in the wake of organisers RCS taking over the Giro d’Italia Women.

One fly in the ointment, however, was the calendar clash between Sanremo and the Trofeo Alfredo Binda, the longstanding and highly prestigious women’s classic, established in 1974 and won in recent years by Italian stars Elisa Balsamo and Elisa Longo Borghini, which takes place the day after Sanremo.

Elisa Longo Borghini (Zac Williams/SWpix)

(Zac Williams/SWpix)

With the hilly classic located in Cittiglio, 350km north of the Ligurian coastal city, holding both Sanremo and Binda on the same weekend would have ushered in a physical and logistical nightmare for the riders and teams.

However, according to Wielerflits, an agreement has been reached between the race organisers, with Binda reportedly set to move its position in the calendar to a week earlier to accommodate the relaunched women’s Sanremo, meaning that Strade Bianche, Alfredo Binda, and Milan-Sanremo could form a tasty consecutive three weekends of women’s classics racing in March.

Strade Bianche Womens Race 2023 podium: Demi Vollering Lotte Kopecky and Kristen Faulkner (Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

(Alex Whitehead/SWpix.com)

Wielerflits has also reported (as per the UCI's archaic rules) that the 300km length of the men’s race will not be replicated for the women, with a start in Genoa and a route confined to the Italian Riviera – and its tension-packed finale – earmarked for next year, but not yet confirmed.

If a women’s Sanremo does go ahead in 2025, it will leave Il Lombardia as the only men’s monument without a women’s equivalent. But with RCS ramping up its involvement in the women’s side of the sport in recent years, you’d assume it’s only a matter of time before the Race of the Falling Leaves joins in the fun.

10:27
For the (Commuting) week that’s in it: A beginner’s guide to cycling to work
10:08
Soudal Quick-Step replace Julian Alaphilippe… with another goateed French rider

Jokes about Gallic facial hair (and corny pun-based transfer videos) aside, this is a shrewd move by Patrick Lefevere’s squad, replacing Tudor Pro Cycling-bound Alaphilippe with flyweight climber Valentin Paret-Peintre.

The 23-year-old enjoyed a breakthrough season for Decathlon-AG2R this year, finishing fourth overall at the Tour of the Alps and winning a stage of the Giro d’Italia, and will slot nicely into the increasingly grand tour-oriented Belgian outfit as both a mountain stage hunter and a key lieutenant on the climbs for Remco Evenepoel, as he plans to topple Pogačar and Vingegaard’s supremacy at three-week races.

We haven’t even handed out the final rainbow jerseys of the year yet, and 2025 is already shaping up nicely.

09:04
Is DIY aero testing finally here, and is it really a substitute for the wind tunnel? We used the hotly anticipated Body Rocket system to find out...
Bodyrocket aero drag system Sept 2024

> What we learnt using the “world’s first real-time aerodynamic drag force measurement system for cyclists”

I wonder why Jamie never asks me to do these kinds of tests? Oh yeah, because I’m not aero or fast. That makes sense now…

Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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brooksby | 1 hour ago
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“Vast majority” of seized e-bikes are being used by delivery riders 

Mutter… mutter… Pope… Catholic… Bears… Woods… mutter… mutter…

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 1 hour ago
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brooksby wrote:

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“Vast majority” of seized e-bikes are being used by delivery riders 

Mutter… mutter… Pope… Catholic… Bears… Woods… mutter… mutter…

If Deliveroo were serious about stopping illegal delivery vehicles, then they could just offer a meal refund if the customer provides evidence that it was delivered by a dodgy vehicle.

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chrisonabike replied to hawkinspeter | 53 min ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

brooksby wrote:

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“Vast majority” of seized e-bikes are being used by delivery riders 

Mutter… mutter… Pope… Catholic… Bears… Woods… mutter… mutter…

If Deliveroo were serious about stopping illegal delivery vehicles, then they could just offer a meal refund if the customer provides evidence that it was delivered by a dodgy vehicle.

If.

But luckily those people delivering food for them have nothing to do with Deliveroo.  They just happen to be doing work instructed by Deliveroo, in Deliveroo livery, and be paid by Deliveroo.  They're not employees and really I'm amazed anyone would bring that company's good name up in this context...

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HarrogateSpa | 2 hours ago
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It is very wearing that road.cc writing staff in effect behave like anti-cycling trolls, or platform the comments of anti-cycling trolls.

The Sheffield scheme looks great, and I would have liked to see presented in a positive way here.

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jh2727 | 2 hours ago
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I love the 'Sheffield is hilly' argument... surely all the more reasons that Sheffield should be building stuff like this, they can't do a lot about the hills, but anyone who takes on the hills of Sheffield surely deserves the best possible cyling infrastructure.

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ROOTminus1 replied to jh2727 | 2 hours ago
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The People's republic of Yorkshire has a proud tradition of breeding competent cyclists precisely because the whole county is rather hilly.

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chrisonabike replied to jh2727 | 49 min ago
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I mean, nobody cycles in Switzerland, or Scandinavia, or the North of the Netherlands ...

I don't want to bring up e-bikes in what is essentially "we just don't want to do something so we'll find a reason" argument ... but EAPCs exist and are rather known for "flattening out hills".

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Boofus | 2 hours ago
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Nobody panic, but Garmin is down. I repeat, Garmin is down. 

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Smoggysteve | 3 hours ago
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Having lived in Germany right on the Dutch border where I could cycle  and drive frequently, there are things I would like to point out in both sides of the argument..

These roundabouts work quite well in the Netherlands. They are everywhere and considering the entire system of roads is very cycling focused it helps that this means there are far fewer cars on the roads to begin with. You get much less inner city traffic and it's mostly concentrated to the motorway (or autosnelweg). So expecting them to just slot into a much busier ecosystem is a little naive. 

But I look at various other UK road anomalies / novelties such as the magic roundabout in Swindon. To look at it from the air it looks madness. When you actually drive it a few times it makes a lot more sense. Why? Because people adapt. How wise do people navigate roads they are unfamiliar with? How do I know , when I get off the ferry in Calais that I don't drive on the left? A bit of research? Maybe a road sign as a reminder? How do I know not to drive over that bump back bridge at 30mph? Oh yeah another sign. That prepares me for what is ahead.  
 

Most of the arguments (whinges) by people who haven't even experienced it yet is just plain laziness or refusal to accept change. Nothing more. What would these people ever do if they drive abroad where you may encounter this type of roundabout, but with the added obstacle of it flowing the other direction? 
 

The logic in some comments ie non road tax payers, blah.  Ignoring the obvious , since when were pedestrians classed as non tax paying road users? Are they so self centred they can't even abide people on foot? Children walking to school for example. Sorry, these people assume the only way a child arrives at school is in an SUV right to the gate like they are dropping off a VIP in a war zone. 
 

Which always changes my mindset from let's help educate these people and help them adapt to plain Fuck Em. 

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Oldfatgit replied to Smoggysteve | 1 hour ago
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Isn't this just a normal roundabout, with a single vehicle lane, and crossings on the exits/entrances?

What's to get used to?
People [peds, cyclists, etc] waiting to cross ... drivers stop. Just like if there was a vehicle already on the roundabout.
People waiting to cross on the exit ... drivers stop. Just like any other crossing.

Or is it the one lane on the roundabout itself that forces lazy drivers to observe lane discipline?

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EK Spinner replied to Oldfatgit | 50 min ago
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As I understand it (looking on Google Maps) it is 5 sattelite mini roundabouts, around a larger island which is effectively a roundabout the goes the wrong way - looks horrible.

The problem as I see it in the UK, we bring in trial schemes but if they are succesful we don't roll them out all over the country so that they become the norm, instead they are piecemeal and dependeant on the conservative opinions and prejudices of individual engineers and planning officers.

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chrisonabike replied to Smoggysteve | 13 min ago
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Smoggysteve wrote:

These roundabouts work quite well in the Netherlands. They are everywhere and considering the entire system of roads is very cycling focused it helps that this means there are far fewer cars on the roads to begin with. You get much less inner city traffic and it's mostly concentrated to the motorway (or autosnelweg). So expecting them to just slot into a much busier ecosystem is a little naive. 

It's not naive - it's simply either using the wrong tool or using a tool in an inappropriate way, because we have the wrong mindset from the get-go.

I'm a big fan of this sort of thing - but like most infra they "work" best under certain conditions and may not be safe or useful under others.

Even in this country we have the notion of limits to traffic flows (normally we're only interested in motor traffic flow...) for different designs.  Quite rightly the Dutch have determined that these designs only "work" within certain parameters - here a (by UK standards) low maximum flow of traffic and at low speeds (almost always 30kmh or below I think).  If the flow or speed is much higher then you either reduce it first or the roundabout is the wrong tool *.

These are not "traffic calming" infra so sticking them in to a system which is too busy with the idea of reducing traffic is going to instead reduce safety for cyclists and pedestrians, or reduce their convenience - AND trigger drivers.

* In the UK because we're motor-traffic focussed we're apparently blind to distinctions between a high-capacity "turbo roundabout" - ONLY for motor vehicles - and one of these (well ... can't agree to do things differently).

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Clem Fandango | 4 hours ago
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"on average it puts 45 mins on a journey" (despite all the locals avoiding it...).

Uh-huh.   I've told you a million times, do not exaggerate!!

Even if it does, maybe, I don't know...walk or cycle instead if you can.  It's obviously quicker numbnuts.

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chrisonabike replied to Clem Fandango | 4 hours ago
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It added "45 minutes on a journey" - AND now locals avoid it?

Meanwhile - very busy "Dutch roundabout" does indeed slow down some motor traffic, but most likely the throughput of people is similar or has increased...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FR5l48_h5Eo

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Clem Fandango replied to chrisonabike | 4 hours ago
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Maybe they should start using it again - can't still be taking an added 45 mins if they all stopped using it.....   OR did it attract an equivalent amount of additional vehicle usage from non-locals (is it a tourist attraction?).

Either way.  I call BS (she didn't provide a receipt)

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mdavidford replied to Clem Fandango | 4 hours ago
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Clem Fandango wrote:

is it a tourist attraction?

That's why it added 45 minutes to journeys - 10 minutes out of your way to get to it, 10 minutes to get back to your route after, and 25 minutes enjoying driving round and round it.

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AidanR replied to Clem Fandango | 3 hours ago
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If it's genuinely adding 45 minutes to a journey (which of course it isn't) then surely this reflects that it is being well used by pedestrians and that drivers are having to stop at the zebra crossings. So it's working.

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jh2727 replied to AidanR | 2 hours ago
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AidanR wrote:

If it's genuinely adding 45 minutes to a journey (which of course it isn't) then surely this reflects that it is being well used by pedestrians and that drivers are having to stop at the zebra crossings. So it's working.

If "having" to stop for pedestrians adds 45 minutes, there we clearly a lot of drivers who were previously failing to stop. So clearly it's necessary.

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AidanR replied to jh2727 | 2 hours ago
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Exactly. Or many pedestrians just avoided it altogether, which the stats suggest.

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Clem Fandango replied to AidanR | 2 hours ago
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indeed - but it only counts as "working" if it doesn't inconvenience drivers you see.

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Mr Hoopdriver replied to Clem Fandango | 1 hour ago
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To be fair, she didn't say what journey/mode of transport the 45 minutes applied to.

It could be it takes 45 minutes longer to walk round it than just cross directly over it.

Of course, she could be Scottish and her "four tae five" minutes has got lost in translation.  yes

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brooksby | 4 hours ago
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“Good to see those not paying any road tax are being given priority on the road,” added Andy Cutts. Classic.

Even if we're generous and he actually means Vehicle Excise Duty, does he know that EVs don't pay it either?  Does he wish to ban Teslas from the roads of Sheffield?? 

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the little onion replied to brooksby | 4 hours ago
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And certain classes of commercial vehicles. And horses/horse drawn carriages. And of course, pedestrians. I hope Andy Cutts doesn't walk anywhere, without paying Road Tax for each pair of shoes.

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 4 hours ago
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quiff replied to brooksby | 4 hours ago
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brooksby wrote:

Even if we're generous and he actually means Vehicle Excise Duty, does he know that EVs don't pay it either?

NB: we're going to have to update this argument for 1 April 2025: Gov.uk - How the Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) changes from 1 April 2025 will affect your vehicle.

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ROOTminus1 replied to brooksby | 3 hours ago
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brooksby wrote:

Does he wish to ban Teslas from the roads of Sheffield?

I certainly wouldn't disagree with that motion, but probably for somewhat different reasons

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mctrials23 replied to brooksby | 2 hours ago
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My diesel from 2014 had zero "road tax". Go figure. I also want to know how much general tax Andy Cutts pays because I reckon I have paid more tax than him over the past decade so when he sees me on my bike he should get out of my way because I pay more for our roads than he doesn. Its such an utterly retarded argument, much like basically every cycling bingo but this one particularly annoys me. Most cyclists also own a car so they do pay the mythical "road tax". 

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brooksby | 4 hours ago
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Isn't the current Transport Secretary an MP in Sheffield?  Just sayin'…

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GMBasix | 4 hours ago
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A zebra crossing on the exit of a roundabout. That’s not going to cause any accidents, is it?” echoed SJT."
No. Bad driving will. Any other information you need to improve your driving, SJT?

Alarming (yet predictable) how many people don't realise the exit of a roundabout already has very similar rules to those of a zebra crossing.

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ubercurmudgeon replied to GMBasix | 3 hours ago
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Yeah, that quote could be translated thusly:

"I love to mash the gas pedal as I exit a roundabout, as the G-forces make it feel like I'm accelerating out of the Antony Noghes corner at the Monaco Grand Prix. At the moment, if I were to hit a pedestrian crossing when I do that, it'll be dismissed as an accident. This'll change that, so I think it is a disgrace!"

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